Discussion in 'Manchester United Forum' started by Mainoldo, Sep 7, 2019.
No they didn't
Playing still. I like Allegri’s calibre but we need to get away from pragmatic coaching. It’s ruining our player development.
I can’t believe people on here are genuinely suggesting Phil Scolari for the United job
Chances created right? Go do some research.
Yes they did and Joleon Lescott was twice the player Harry Maguire will ever be and Mark Noble is a better passer than Carrick ever was without question.
Back on topic, Ole Out, Wenger in
FFS, name and shame.
No way! Learn something new every day. Il take your word for it
Non starter. The club isn't set up for the like of Nagelsmann, Rose, Pocj, Touchel et al.
He's not half as pragmatic as you think. Dont you remeber when we played them also season and all we could do is park the bus?
In the same way I would say Pochettino is more suitable than Mourinho.
Nagelsmann is more suitable than Diego Simeone.
Marco Rose is more suitable than Ancelotti
Is Sven still around?
With Jamie Vardy as player coach
Honestly I have a feeling Rooney would be our manager sometimes in the future.
Just read up on Nagelsmann's style....Im ready for him to start now. Give him a blank check.
Terry fecking Venables! Tree formation just in time for Christmas!
We lost Mourinho, Herrera, Lukaku, Sanchez & Fellaini and we are only 2 difference points between them right now. Just imagine where they would be if they lose Eriksen, Toby & Vertonghen for free with their financial resource less than us.
Lose Pogba? Such a lame comparison. Sure if there is a club willing to pay enough money then we can use the money to find replacement, otherwise we can still keep him another year. Unlike Spurs who are about to lose 3 of their main XI players for free, we still get cash that we can use to sign a replacement for one of our main XI player.
If Ole remains? We are in a thread of United's next manager. Ole remains as our manager in this thread & discussion is out of discussion.
What about some credit on Pochettino? They are run like a proper side to achieve top 4 because they have top manager who can build a team with less financial resource. They didn't even sign a new player in 17/18 summer window but lost Dembele. If we don't make a single signing in one summer window, our fans would have gone crazy towards the board. Before Poch came in, they struggled to even achieve the CL spot. And now they are in the verge of losing 3 of their main XI players for free.
You are using so many excuses but fail to get the point of discussion right.
You fail to provide me solid evidence to tell me that leaving Spurs to join United is a step down here. Overall you are just talking about "the past" 5 years achievement, means nothing and ironically in those years we actually won more trophies than them. Financial resource they can't compete with us, same goes with reputation, & they are about to lose some of their main XI players for free.
Exactly. They don't care about the on-field success, and it is a line which the media should stop peddling. As long as the 'brand' makes enough money for them to claim their yearly dividends they won't change anything.
Sadly I don't think a mass protest would affect their ownership right now. Our fanbase hasn't previously proven to be organised enough to start and maintain mass protests. It would require all fan groups and even the youtubers to start making a stand and I just don't think they will do that.
Tottenham seem to have imploded this season. That doesn't look good on the manager whose task is to keep players motivated and acting as a single unit. However, Id rather see an implosion then a gradual decline. The former can be tackled by removing the few bad apples and bringing in a motivator in the team. The latter is down to talent basically. The latter is far far more expensive then the former.
I wouldn't be so sure that we will be reinvesting Pogba's money after all we said the same thing about Ronaldo's and Lukaku's money. United might talk big about being 'great spenders' but we're the one starting the season with a non existent midfield/forward line and an amateur Lidl like manager to match.
I provided you ample reasons why United is a step down
a- a major rebuild is needed and not enough will is being shown by the club to be keen to be ready to foot the bill for it
b- modern managers think in short term. United's project will take years
c- we have already ruined the career of 3 managers. We're swiftly becoming a poison chalice.
d- we've got an incompetent board and owners who only think about their pockets
Id suggest you stop thinking as a Manchester United supporter and start seeing things from a neutral perspective ie someone who see football as a career and wouldn't jeapardize that career for anyone.
a - And again you are ignoring Spurs's problems. Same goes with Spurs, major rebuild is needed for them. What makes it worse is they are going to lose 3 of their main players for free & they are already initially has less resource to us.
(So no! this reason doesn't make sense to call it a step down).
b- What makes you think that Spurs's project will take less years than United? They spent 5 years already under top manager & still zero trophy. Even we won 3 trophies in those 5 years!! (The statement is BS due to no evidence how Spurs's project will take less years).
c - Our philosophy is play good attacking football & developing young players. If the manager doesn't suit the philosophy of the club then it won't work. Imagine Mourinho takes in charge Barcelona. The club will be ruined with both club & manager have different philosophy.
Moyes was never the right manager for the philosophy.
Mourinho was never the right manager for the philosophy.
LVG develop players but his style is plays total football possession. A specific players need to match his philosophy.
No this is not step down because I believe Pochettino ticks the criteria to be our managers.
d- How is this step down when our board invest more money than Levy to back the manager? Stay in Spurs he will get less money resource to build the team. Join United he will get more money than at Spurs from the board.
Overall what you are doing is that you are only looking at our problems and ignoring that there are bigger problems at Spurs which prevent Pochettino to win trophy.
we're going in circles here. You think we're better off then Tottenham. I don't. Lets agree to disagree.
We don't just need a new manager, a sporting director / director of football is far more important.
We need someone in between Woodward and the manager to plan our transfers. Woodward should have minimal to no input. Until that changes we'll go nowhere.
We need both. We haven't replaced Mou yet
No it isn't my God... Where are people getting this?
When have we ever had a distinct playing style and club philosophy like Barcelona or Ajax have? Never.
Which young players from our academy have we developed after the CO92? That was lightning in a bottle, once in a lifetime thing. After that we splashed cash on younger players but they were clear superstars from day one. Last academy player that's played a major role in the club is Pogba and he was developed in another club in another country.
Our 'philosophy' has been the greatest manager doing what he thinks is right and winning trophies. He changed so many times over the years you definitely can't say he had a specific style. He adapted to times and players he had and played a different kind of football every few years.
You people are projecting your personal ideas and wishes and what you want the philosophy to be. It's based on nothing factual, historical, whatever.
Moyes was never the right man because he was an average, inexperienced manager coming into a veteran team trying to replace the greatest manager ever.
LVG was never the right man because he is old and washed and not a good coach anymore.
Mourinho could've been the right man if the club was ready to succumb to his every whim and buy and sell anyone he wanted. He's a specific, stubborn, prickly and confrontational character who didn't mesh with a director like Woodward or the players we had. He wears on people over time and is never a long-term solution.
So you’re saying we just need a good manager then?
Salute to common sense!! But we can’t even get that from Sky Sports. You would think it’s logarithms.
Times are reporting Ole not going anywhere. The board are committed to the project. Brace yourself in guys.
That sort of talk 99% of the time comes just before the axe.
A good manager is PART of the solution, not THE solution.
Let's hope hey!
Pep and Klopp disagree.
Ahah yes true, if/when we sack Ole I really hope we go for a young manager. Nagelsmann or The Ajax coach, can’t remember his name
Did Klopp disagree at his last season at Dortmund?
I think Angel Gomes is a good shout when Ole retires in about 20 years.
You think Angel Gomes would be managing Molde in 20 years? Well I guess stranger things happened in this world, so why not.
Paying off Jose 15M - 20M and then paying off Ole god knows how much within 12 months of each other . How does Woodward get away with it ?
You've got the wrong idea about Allegri's coaching.
If we're looking to go British then Graham Potter is far more interesting than the other ideas being tossed around.
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