United’s next manager

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Something like that. But so did Joey Barton and Stewart Downing once upon a time. I just want to know what our aim is for a club and team. Maddison sits well with what we are trying to be. Average!
No they didn't :lol:
 

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Playing still. I like Allegri’s calibre but we need to get away from pragmatic coaching. It’s ruining our player development.
He's not half as pragmatic as you think. Dont you remeber when we played them also season and all we could do is park the bus?
 

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Sure losing Eriksen, Toby and Vertonghen will hurt them. It would probably hurt them less then us losing Mourinho, Herrera, Lukaku, Sanchez and Fellaini simply because unlike us 'big spenders' they will probably try and replacing them . Anyway that's a mere detail isn't it? The same as ignoring the fact we'll probably lose Pogba next season as well and if Ole remains then he'll try to replace them with whom? Maddison? Longstaff?

Anyway, Spurs seems to be run like a proper side, something we do not seem able to. Which, if we forget that we're few points away from relegation zone while Spurs were just a game away from winning the CL last season, makes them a more attractive option then we are.
We lost Mourinho, Herrera, Lukaku, Sanchez & Fellaini and we are only 2 difference points between them right now. Just imagine where they would be if they lose Eriksen, Toby & Vertonghen for free with their financial resource less than us.

Lose Pogba? Such a lame comparison. Sure if there is a club willing to pay enough money then we can use the money to find replacement, otherwise we can still keep him another year. Unlike Spurs who are about to lose 3 of their main XI players for free, we still get cash that we can use to sign a replacement for one of our main XI player.

If Ole remains? We are in a thread of United's next manager. Ole remains as our manager in this thread & discussion is out of discussion.

What about some credit on Pochettino? They are run like a proper side to achieve top 4 because they have top manager who can build a team with less financial resource. They didn't even sign a new player in 17/18 summer window but lost Dembele. If we don't make a single signing in one summer window, our fans would have gone crazy towards the board. Before Poch came in, they struggled to even achieve the CL spot. And now they are in the verge of losing 3 of their main XI players for free.

You are using so many excuses but fail to get the point of discussion right. :lol:
You fail to provide me solid evidence to tell me that leaving Spurs to join United is a step down here. Overall you are just talking about "the past" 5 years achievement, means nothing and ironically in those years we actually won more trophies than them. Financial resource they can't compete with us, same goes with reputation, & they are about to lose some of their main XI players for free.
 
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I concur we are dealing with the Tampa Bay Bucaneers owners. Look at their average position in their Division over the last 20 years its pap.

Concerted campaign to get rid required.
Exactly. They don't care about the on-field success, and it is a line which the media should stop peddling. As long as the 'brand' makes enough money for them to claim their yearly dividends they won't change anything.

Sadly I don't think a mass protest would affect their ownership right now. Our fanbase hasn't previously proven to be organised enough to start and maintain mass protests. It would require all fan groups and even the youtubers to start making a stand and I just don't think they will do that.
 

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We lost Mourinho, Herrera, Lukaku, Sanchez & Fellaini and we are only 2 difference points between them right now. Just imagine where they would be if they lose Eriksen, Toby & Vertonghen for free with their financial resource less than us.

Lose Pogba? Such a lame comparison. Sure if there is a club willing to pay enough money then we can use the money to find replacement, otherwise we can still keep him another year. Unlike Spurs who are about to lose 3 of their main XI players for free, we still get cash that we can use to sign a replacement for one of our main XI player.

If Ole remains? We are in a thread of United's next manager. Ole remains as our manager in this thread & discussion is out of discussion.

What about some credit on Pochettino? They are run like a proper side to achieve top 4 because they have top manager who can build a team with less financial resource. They didn't even sign a new player in 17/18 summer window but lost Dembele. If we don't make a single signing in one summer window, our fans would have gone crazy towards the board. Before Poch came in, they struggled to even achieve the CL spot. And now they are in the verge of losing 3 of their main XI players for free.

You are using so many excuses but fail to get the point of discussion right. :lol:
You fail to provide me solid evidence to tell me that leaving Spurs to join United is a step down here. Overall you are just talking about "the past" 5 years achievement, means nothing and ironically in those years we actually won more trophies than them. Financial resource they can't compete with us, same goes with reputation, & they are about to lose some of their main XI players for free.
Tottenham seem to have imploded this season. That doesn't look good on the manager whose task is to keep players motivated and acting as a single unit. However, Id rather see an implosion then a gradual decline. The former can be tackled by removing the few bad apples and bringing in a motivator in the team. The latter is down to talent basically. The latter is far far more expensive then the former.

I wouldn't be so sure that we will be reinvesting Pogba's money after all we said the same thing about Ronaldo's and Lukaku's money. United might talk big about being 'great spenders' but we're the one starting the season with a non existent midfield/forward line and an amateur Lidl like manager to match.

I provided you ample reasons why United is a step down

a- a major rebuild is needed and not enough will is being shown by the club to be keen to be ready to foot the bill for it
b- modern managers think in short term. United's project will take years
c- we have already ruined the career of 3 managers. We're swiftly becoming a poison chalice.
d- we've got an incompetent board and owners who only think about their pockets

Id suggest you stop thinking as a Manchester United supporter and start seeing things from a neutral perspective ie someone who see football as a career and wouldn't jeapardize that career for anyone.
 

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Tottenham seem to have imploded this season. That doesn't look good on the manager whose task is to keep players motivated and acting as a single unit. However, Id rather see an implosion then a gradual decline. The former can be tackled by removing the few bad apples and bringing in a motivator in the team. The latter is down to talent basically. The latter is far far more expensive then the former.

I wouldn't be so sure that we will be reinvesting Pogba's money after all we said the same thing about Ronaldo's and Lukaku's money. United might talk big about being 'great spenders' but we're the one starting the season with a non existent midfield/forward line and an amateur Lidl like manager to match.

I provided you ample reasons why United is a step down

a- a major rebuild is needed and not enough will is being shown by the club to be keen to be ready to foot the bill for it
b- modern managers think in short term. United's project will take years
c- we have already ruined the career of 3 managers. We're swiftly becoming a poison chalice.
d- we've got an incompetent board and owners who only think about their pockets

Id suggest you stop thinking as a Manchester United supporter and start seeing things from a neutral perspective ie someone who see football as a career and wouldn't jeapardize that career for anyone.
a - And again you are ignoring Spurs's problems. Same goes with Spurs, major rebuild is needed for them. What makes it worse is they are going to lose 3 of their main players for free & they are already initially has less resource to us.
(So no! this reason doesn't make sense to call it a step down).

b- What makes you think that Spurs's project will take less years than United? They spent 5 years already under top manager & still zero trophy. Even we won 3 trophies in those 5 years!! (The statement is BS due to no evidence how Spurs's project will take less years).

c - Our philosophy is play good attacking football & developing young players. If the manager doesn't suit the philosophy of the club then it won't work. Imagine Mourinho takes in charge Barcelona. The club will be ruined with both club & manager have different philosophy.
Moyes was never the right manager for the philosophy.
Mourinho was never the right manager for the philosophy.
LVG develop players but his style is plays total football possession. A specific players need to match his philosophy.

No this is not step down because I believe Pochettino ticks the criteria to be our managers.

d- How is this step down when our board invest more money than Levy to back the manager? Stay in Spurs he will get less money resource to build the team. Join United he will get more money than at Spurs from the board.

Overall what you are doing is that you are only looking at our problems and ignoring that there are bigger problems at Spurs which prevent Pochettino to win trophy.
 

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a - And again you are ignoring Spurs's problems. Same goes with Spurs, major rebuild is needed for them. What makes it worse is they are going to lose 3 of their main players for free & they are already initially has less resource to us.
(So no! this reason doesn't make sense to call it a step down).

b- What makes you think that Spurs's project will take less years than United? They spent 5 years already under top manager & still zero trophy. Even we won 3 trophies in those 5 years!! (The statement is BS due to no evidence how Spurs's project will take less years).

c - Our philosophy is play good attacking football & developing young players. If the manager doesn't suit the philosophy of the club then it won't work. Imagine Mourinho takes in charge Barcelona. The club will be ruined with both club & manager have different philosophy.
Moyes was never the right manager for the philosophy.
Mourinho was never the right manager for the philosophy.
LVG develop players but his style is plays total football possession. A specific players need to match his philosophy.

No this is not step down because I believe Pochettino ticks the criteria to be our managers.

d- How is this step down when our board invest more money than Levy to back the manager? Stay in Spurs he will get less money resource to build the team. Join United he will get more money than at Spurs from the board.

Overall what you are doing is that you are only looking at our problems and ignoring that there are bigger problems at Spurs which prevent Pochettino to win trophy.
we're going in circles here. You think we're better off then Tottenham. I don't. Lets agree to disagree.
 
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We don't just need a new manager, a sporting director / director of football is far more important.

We need someone in between Woodward and the manager to plan our transfers. Woodward should have minimal to no input. Until that changes we'll go nowhere.
 

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We don't just need a new manager, a sporting director / director of football is far more important.

We need someone in between Woodward and the manager to plan our transfers. Woodward should have minimal to no input. Until that changes we'll go nowhere.
We need both. We haven't replaced Mou yet
 

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c - Our philosophy is play good attacking football & developing young players. If the manager doesn't suit the philosophy of the club then it won't work. Imagine Mourinho takes in charge Barcelona. The club will be ruined with both club & manager have different philosophy.
Moyes was never the right manager for the philosophy.
Mourinho was never the right manager for the philosophy.
LVG develop players but his style is plays total football possession. A specific players need to match his philosophy.
No it isn't my God... Where are people getting this?

When have we ever had a distinct playing style and club philosophy like Barcelona or Ajax have? Never.

Which young players from our academy have we developed after the CO92? That was lightning in a bottle, once in a lifetime thing. After that we splashed cash on younger players but they were clear superstars from day one. Last academy player that's played a major role in the club is Pogba and he was developed in another club in another country.

Our 'philosophy' has been the greatest manager doing what he thinks is right and winning trophies. He changed so many times over the years you definitely can't say he had a specific style. He adapted to times and players he had and played a different kind of football every few years.

You people are projecting your personal ideas and wishes and what you want the philosophy to be. It's based on nothing factual, historical, whatever.

Moyes was never the right man because he was an average, inexperienced manager coming into a veteran team trying to replace the greatest manager ever.

LVG was never the right man because he is old and washed and not a good coach anymore.
Mourinho could've been the right man if the club was ready to succumb to his every whim and buy and sell anyone he wanted. He's a specific, stubborn, prickly and confrontational character who didn't mesh with a director like Woodward or the players we had. He wears on people over time and is never a long-term solution.
 
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No it isn't my God... Where are people getting this?

When have we ever had a distinct playing style and club philosophy like Barcelona or Ajax have? Never.

Which young players from our academy have we developed after the CO92? That was lightning in a bottle, once in a lifetime thing. After that we splashed cash on younger players but they were clear superstars from day one. Last academy player that's played a major role in the club is Pogba and he was developed in another club in another country.

Our 'philosophy' has been the greatest manager doing what he thinks is right and winning trophies. He changed so many times over the years you definitely can't say he had a specific style. He adapted to times and players he had and played a different kind of football every few years.

You people are projecting your personal ideas and wishes and what you want the philosophy to be. It's based on nothing factual, historical, whatever.

Moyes was never the right man because he was an average, inexperienced manager coming into a veteran team trying to replace the greatest manager ever.

LVG was never the right man because he is old and washed and not a good coach anymore.
Mourinho could've been the right man if the club was ready to succumb to his every whim and buy and sell anyone he wanted. He's a specific, stubborn, prickly and confrontational character who didn't mesh with a director like Woodward or the players we had. He wears on people over time and is never a long-term solution.
So you’re saying we just need a good manager then?
 

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Times are reporting Ole not going anywhere. The board are committed to the project. Brace yourself in guys.
 

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:lol: Don't say that. May be no manager probably be better if it means the club will take their time to assess who's the right manager.
Ahah yes true, if/when we sack Ole I really hope we go for a young manager. Nagelsmann or The Ajax coach, can’t remember his name
 

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I think Angel Gomes is a good shout when Ole retires in about 20 years.
 

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Paying off Jose 15M - 20M and then paying off Ole god knows how much within 12 months of each other . How does Woodward get away with it ?
 

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If we're looking to go British then Graham Potter is far more interesting than the other ideas being tossed around.