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Honestly, the United way has always been about having the best players giving their all under a world-class manager. It's that simple.

I can only see one way to reach those lofty heights and it's not pretty, but desperate times call for desperate measures: getting bought by the likes of Qatar or SA will attract managers like Pep and players like Neymar.

Who says we can't snatch up City's manager? He's the best and United are in desperate need of his quality.
 

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Another knee-jerk, wildly premature response: Spurs "are done" when, as I've said, we are still likely to qualify for the CL knock-out stages and have 30 league games left in which to gain back the 3 point gap between us and the current top 4.

Most teams go through a bad patch at some point. Your problem is the wishful thinking that sees Spurs' current bad patch as permanent.
Spurs form in the PL since exactly the halfway line of last season until today:

Won 12
Drew 5
Lost 12

It isn’t a bad patch of form, or knee-jerk, Spurs are not good.
 

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Spurs form in the PL since exactly the halfway line of last season until today:

Won 12
Drew 5
Lost 12

It isn’t a bad patch of form, or knee-jerk, Spurs are not good.
Good enough to have reached the CL final … and finish top 4 yet again. So if Spurs are "not good", then most of the rest are worse.
 

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Walker, Rose (clearly wanted out but was unable to find a suitor), Eriksen, Vertonghen, Alderweireld are hardly the worse players in the squad. They are or were the back bone of the fist team.
Walker, despite romantic memories, has and always was a liability. He still makes errors for City. He'd been replaced by Trippier by about half way though the season for that purpose. Regardless, that was a fair few seasons ago so it's a grasp.

Rose has not been good for quite a long time - he has spend most of the last couple of seasons struggling or injured, so it's comical to suggest he's one of the best players - this is further evidenced by the fact that no one wants him despite the club making him publicly available. Watford were the only ones linked on TDD, and they seemingly pulled out.

Eriksen has been disinterested for around a year now, and has been hitting the first man in free-kicks and corners for several seasons now. Considering that was his 'speciality', it's pretty poor from him. Again, no one wanted him when he was available, and he is most definitely no where near the best player in the squad and hasn't been for some time.

Alderweireld was available for buttons (comparatively) in the summer, and has consistently claimed he is happy and doesn't want to leave. Again, no one wanted him. He was solid a few seasons ago, but has also been very poor in recent times. Davinson Sanchez was brought in as his replacement a few seasons back due to this anticipation.

Vertonghen has also publicly claimed he wants to stay (https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/sep/30/ambitious-jan-vertonghen-extend-time-tottenham) , but will be 33 in April. Age is showing and he's far from one of the best players at the club, and very few clubs would be extending the contract of an ageing off-form defender in any hurry.

Not sure what the "fist" team is, but those players aren't the back bone. If you want to break down the better players in the squad, there are no others who claim to want to leave except for Aurier, who is turd anyway. All the others seem to be perfectly happy and are on long term contracts.


So, to put it succinctly, the only players who are close to leaving are the ones that the club want to get rid of. I'd include Eriksen in that, as he's been nominated as one of the players Pochettino no longer wants (https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/26/mauricio-pochettino-annoyed-christian-eriksen-still-spurs-summer-speculation-10812336/)



Any squad will reach issues with ageing players and moving them on - Utd fans should know this better than anyone. At some point, whether it's with Pochettino or not, Lloris will need replacing (especially due to how his elbow issue might affect his already erratic decline). We probably need another RB and CB. Plenty of other players have already been covered or replaced with the signings of Ndombele, Lo Celso and Sessegnon - one of which has yet to feature, and another barely due to injuries. I'm sure a whole host of other clubs would still bite their hands off for the majority of the players available.
 

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I found it interesting that every time Man Utd's players perform poorly they lost trust in the manager, rather than the other way around. May be it is time to move on those extremely high paid non performing players?
Right?

It's ridiculous. Ole might not be the calibre of manager who can take us back to the top, but I'd sooner get rid of the players who have been underperforming for years.
 

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Paying off Jose 15M - 20M and then paying off Ole god knows how much within 12 months of each other . How does Woodward get away with it ?
The answer to this question is all in understanding the board and to understand the board you need to understand people who own it - Glazer offsprings, the hack job they are doing with Tampa Bay Buccaneers, as well as American sports mentality. I don't think many British fans understand these, or for that matter any non-American fans.

Here's the deal: United ownership are Glazers and not only they are just greedy businessmen who know nothing about football or EPL, but their only other experience with sports is Buccaneers in NFL. And they have done a horrible job with it. And they don't care. Because in NFL there is no such thing as "relegation" and generally speaking teams go for decades being shit and it doesn't really matter. So that's the mentality they are used to. They don't even get what United fans are upset about. As far as money is pouring in (which Woodward so far has managed) - the Glazers have no clue why any of us are upset.

So that's the most important point to understand. Another one is the history of Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That team was purchased by daddy Malcom Glazer and he had some significant success initially. Then daddy gets a stroke in 2006 and his moron sons get in charge (same Joel and Avram who you may have heard in context of United). They mess up immediately. They undermine the most successful coach of NFL history they had at that point – Jon Gruden, he starts losing, they sack him in 2008 and Buccaneers has not made it back to the playoffs since. For context, in NFL making playoffs is more or less equal to making top 4 or 6 in EPL. So basically, they turned a title-winning team into a facking joke, in under 2 years and it's been a joke for the last 12 years with no hope on horizon.

Fans need to understand: it's not that we have struggled since Sir Alex Ferguson left, but he left because he saw what was coming once David Gill had left and Woodward + Glazers took full reign. Smart sly fox that SAF is, he didn't want to ruin his legacy by staying and he got out. The decline started with Woodward taking the reign, not by SAF leaving. Stop getting it backwards.

Anyway, hope the history of Buccaneers and better understanding of NFL gives a glimpse of what we should expect to happen at United, and how long this slump will last if Glazers stay in charge. It will be decades. They have destroyed the biggest club, of 90s and 2000s, in the world and they will keep sucking the club's blood until money runs out.

It's heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking but this is the reality
 
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The answer to this question is all in understanding the board and to understand the board you need to understand people who own it - Glazer offsprings, the hack job they are doing with Tampa Bay Buccaneers, as well as American sports mentality. I don't think many British fans understand these, or for that matter any non-American fans.

Here's the deal: United ownership are Glazers and not only they are just greedy businessmen who know nothing about football or EPL, but their only other experience with sports is Buccaneers in NFL. And they have done a horrible job with it. And they don't care. Because in NFL there is no such thing as "relegation" and generally speaking teams go for decades being shit and it doesn't really matter. So that's the mentality they are used to. They don't even get what United fans are upset about. As far as money is pouring in (which Woodward so far has managed) - the Glazers have no clue why any of us are upset.

So that's the most important point to understand. Another one is the history of Tampa Bay Buccaneers. That team was purchased by daddy Malcom Glazer and he had some significant success initially. Then daddy gets a stroke in 2006 and his moron sons get in charge (same Joel and Avram who you may have heard in context of United). They mess up immediately. They undermine the most successful coach of NFL history they had at that point – Jon Gruden, he starts losing, they sack him in 2008 and Buccaneers has not made it back to the playoffs since. For context, in NFL making playoffs is more or less equal to making top 4 or 6 in EPL. So basically, they turned a title-winning team into a facking joke, in under 2 years and it's been a joke for the last 12 years with no hope on horizon.

Fans need to understand: it's not that we have struggled since Sir Alex Ferguson left, but he left because he saw what was coming once David Gill had left and Woodward + Glazers took full reign. Smart sly fox that SAF is, he didn't want to ruin his legacy by staying and he got out. The decline started with Woodward taking the reign, not by SAF leaving. Stop getting it backwards.

Anyway, hope the history of Buccaneers and better understanding of NFL gives a glimpse of what we should expect to happen at United, and how long this slump will last if Glazers stay in charge. It will be decades. They have destroyed the biggest club, of 90s and 2000s, in the world and they will keep sucking the club's blood until money runs out.

It's heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking but this is the reality
Very good post. Been saying it for ages, fans can't keep pining our failures on the managers. You have to look higher up. Also, I like the take on Fergie. You're probably correct. Gill and Fergie probably understood they took this far as they could and bailed. Nog beyond the realms of truth.
 

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Ye, it's extremely hard to imagine we won't go with Allegri. Seems like something we'd do. Which is a shame, because I'd much rather see us go for someone progressive.
To build up something long term with a good philosophy would be the only thing forward for us. I agree, we will go with a "big name" and quick fix like Allegri
 

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Pragmatic manager to tear up our squad again? Can't we just stick to getting a better manager who has similar philosophy as the one before him? It keeps everything running smoother.

And bring in Evra? Why? What has he proven that will suggest he can help turn us around? Hopefully the club won't be as sentimental with recruiting manager/coaching staff, like they did with Ole and Phelan.
 

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To build up something long term with a good philosophy would be the only thing forward for us. I agree, we will go with a "big name" and quick fix like Allegri
How would it be a quick fix? The team is a minimum of 4 players away from being a side that can compete at top 4 level. Getting the required players has been an issue for years, as we have Ed picking players he wants and players we’re really going to struggle getting off the books.
 

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Pragmatic manager to tear up our squad again? Can't we just stick to getting a better manager who has similar philosophy as the one before him? It keeps everything running smoother.

And bring in Evra? Why? What has he proven that will suggest he can help turn us around? Hopefully the club won't be as sentimental with recruiting manager/coaching staff, like they did with Ole and Phelan.
Phelan was part of well oiled United machine, he was a proven assistant. Carrick and Ole are the ones with it all to prove.
 

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Pragmatic manager to tear up our squad again? Can't we just stick to getting a better manager who has similar philosophy as the one before him? It keeps everything running smoother.

And bring in Evra? Why? What has he proven that will suggest he can help turn us around? Hopefully the club won't be as sentimental with recruiting manager/coaching staff, like they did with Ole and Phelan.
1. Why do people assume pragmatic is a bad thing? Do you know what that even means? Do you immediately associate pragmatic and defensive?

Pragmatic is being smart and flexible to switch between attacking and defending as needed. It's an extremely positive trait to have, especially if you're not someone like Pep who's had one philosophy his whole life.

Also, why does being pragmatic mean he will tear up the squad? Pragmatic people work with what they have. And to be honest, more than 50% of this squad needs tearing up.

2. Please stop making jokes about Solskjaer having a philosophy, let alone it being a positive. Not a single United manager I watched has had the philosophy you talk about, including SAF. He's the very definition of a pragmatist, as is Allegri.

3. Evra would be a smart hire precisely because he wouldn't be relied upon to turn things around or be the main assistant or make big decisions. Allegri has his longtime assistants and coaches for that. Evra IMO would be a link between players and coaching staff. He's respected, one of the best ever at his position, he's experienced and smart, worked with Allegri, has a connection with Pogba and speaks both English and Italian fluently so he can also help in that regard with a new manager working in England for the first time.

Evra posted a picture on Instagram of him and Allegri watching a match. It could be that’s why the daily mail are saying this..
I thought so too at first, but the journalist who wrote the article presented it as a report and I googled him a bit and he's been a correspondent for Serie A for a long time, gave a lot of interviews about Allegri in the past and Evra and Allegri have a really good relationship so I wouldn't be surprised at all.
 

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Cue “another dinosaur manager” posts about two weeks into his tenure when we draw with Burnley at home, nil nil.

We’re not going to appoint Allegri, right? right lads?
Unfortunately, we probably will. And that will be a disaster. Dinosaur Allegri with a clown Evra - sure, that's a recipe for rebuilding a club... Only somebody as clueless as Glazer dynasty would think that, but they are exactly the ones making decisions so - very possible outcome.
 

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Just do it. After Solskjaer similar to Moyes. Screw this United way, the managers clearly can’t do it. Get a top class manager and just back him. If he wants Boateng get him Boateng. I’d rather be second thinking about what world class striker can improve us instead of 14th waiting for Angel Gomes to turn into Messi.

Serious note though. I would sacrifice a less attractive playing style for success. We have to judge managers as individuals too. Meaning Allegri is nothing like Mourinho. They both play for the 2-0 and then manage the game out but he has a clear style of play for getting goals. Our defence is already set up for him barring an attacking left back.
 

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Unfortunately, we probably will. And that will be a disaster. Dinosaur Allegri with a clown Evra - sure, that's a recipe for rebuilding a club... Only somebody as clueless as Glazer dynasty would think that, but they are exactly the ones making decisions so - very possible outcome.
What are we building mate? We will have to spend our way out of this now. The building process is over.
 

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I would be up for Allegri. More than anything we need good players. Allegri being here may mean that we could keep Pogba and attract more genuine talent. Maybe the playing style wouldn't be amazing but once we get the players in, we can hire a better coach who would coach the team to attack well.
 

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Evra posted a picture on Instagram of him and Allegri watching a match. It could be that’s why the daily mail are saying this..
It most definitely is. These guys spin stories out of anything. Insta photos, forum posts, it doesn't matter to them
 

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Look, Allegri is no doubt a massively superior manager to Ole, but firing Mourinho only appoint another pragmatic coach with a lesser trophy 1 year on makes very little sense.
 

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Serious note though. I would sacrifice a less attractive playing style for success. We have to judge managers as individuals too. Meaning Allegri is nothing like Mourinho. They both play for the 2-0 and then manage the game out but he has a clear style of play for getting goals. Our defence is already set up for him barring an attacking left back.
I would be up for Allegri. More than anything we need good players. Allegri being here may mean that we could keep Pogba and attract more genuine talent. Maybe the playing style wouldn't be amazing but once we get the players in, we can hire a better coach who would coach the team to attack well.

Compared to what...? Genuine question. I mean, the reality is that what we're playing now is worse than what Mourinho served up over his tenure here.

Ole's football is absolute garbage to watch.

People acting like hiring Allegri would mean our football getting worse, but our results getting better - the reality is that Allegri's footy compared to Ole's is like the comparison of a finely tuned, top line Range Rover vs a Robin Reliant that no-one else wanted and needs excuses and sentiment to explain why you even own it in the first place.

Allegri would see everything improve from where it is now...

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Cue “another dinosaur manager” posts about two weeks into his tenure when we draw with Burnley at home, nil nil.

We’re not going to appoint Allegri, right? right lads?
How many times have Italians failed to adapt to English football? Yeah sure he might make United strong again but they'll be a snooze to watch.

Why can't people see that Erik ten Hag is a world class manager in the making? Ajax play intelligent attacking football and his tactics and coaching play a huge role in this. Yes Ajax have some good players but watch them fall back into relative obscurity when he leaves. Watch them lose their glamour.
 

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How would it be a quick fix? The team is a minimum of 4 players away from being a side that can compete at top 4 level. Getting the required players has been an issue for years, as we have Ed picking players he wants and players we’re really going to struggle getting off the books.
You can't quick fix a mess that has been going for 6 years. We can only eat dirt, start at the bottom and build up, but for that, we'd need to make sensible decisions. Which so far we have not done at all, hence I doubt we will make them now.
 

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1. Why do people assume pragmatic is a bad thing? Do you know what that even means? Do you immediately associate pragmatic and defensive?

Pragmatic is being smart and flexible to switch between attacking and defending as needed. It's an extremely positive trait to have, especially if you're not someone like Pep who's had one philosophy his whole life.

Also, why does being pragmatic mean he will tear up the squad? Pragmatic people work with what they have. And to be honest, more than 50% of this squad needs tearing up.

2. Please stop making jokes about Solskjaer having a philosophy, let alone it being a positive. Not a single United manager I watched has had the philosophy you talk about, including SAF. He's the very definition of a pragmatist, as is Allegri.

3. Evra would be a smart hire precisely because he wouldn't be relied upon to turn things around or be the main assistant or make big decisions. Allegri has his longtime assistants and coaches for that. Evra IMO would be a link between players and coaching staff. He's respected, one of the best ever at his position, he's experienced and smart, worked with Allegri, has a connection with Pogba and speaks both English and Italian fluently so he can also help in that regard with a new manager working in England for the first time.


I thought so too at first, but the journalist who wrote the article presented it as a report and I googled him a bit and he's been a correspondent for Serie A for a long time, gave a lot of interviews about Allegri in the past and Evra and Allegri have a really good relationship so I wouldn't be surprised at all.
If that’s the case, I stand corrected then. We’ll see what happens, I just need some hope, this season is the first time that I see a dead end and barely any positives.
 

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Compared to what...? Genuine question. I mean, the reality is that what we're playing now is worse than what Mourinho served up over his tenure here.

Ole's football is absolute garbage to watch.

People acting like hiring Allegri would mean our football getting worse, but our results getting better - the reality is that Allegri's footy compared to Ole's is like the comparison of a finely tuned, top line Range Rover vs a Robin Reliant that no-one else wanted and needs excuses and sentiment to explain why you even own it in the first place.

Allegri would see everything improve from where it is now...

Performances
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Allure to players joining
I’m talking about in relation to getting a more attacking coach. Srew Ole his football is sh!t. But let’s say compared to waiting for the Ajax coach!!
 

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Allegri is not the answer...... feels like a desperate Woodward ploy to keep Pogba for the commercial side
 

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1. Why do people assume pragmatic is a bad thing? Do you know what that even means? Do you immediately associate pragmatic and defensive?

Pragmatic is being smart and flexible to switch between attacking and defending as needed. It's an extremely positive trait to have, especially if you're not someone like Pep who's had one philosophy his whole life.

Also, why does being pragmatic mean he will tear up the squad? Pragmatic people work with what they have. And to be honest, more than 50% of this squad needs tearing up.

2. Please stop making jokes about Solskjaer having a philosophy, let alone it being a positive. Not a single United manager I watched has had the philosophy you talk about, including SAF. He's the very definition of a pragmatist, as is Allegri.

3. Evra would be a smart hire precisely because he wouldn't be relied upon to turn things around or be the main assistant or make big decisions. Allegri has his longtime assistants and coaches for that. Evra IMO would be a link between players and coaching staff. He's respected, one of the best ever at his position, he's experienced and smart, worked with Allegri, has a connection with Pogba and speaks both English and Italian fluently so he can also help in that regard with a new manager working in England for the first time.
1) Pragmatic 'dealing with things sensibly and realistically in a way that is based on practical rather than theoretical considerations.'

We have no theory. We need the theory. We have no blue print. What, we should ask Alegri to deal with what we have? How is that going to take us forward? Then if he is dealing with the here and now, what happens when Ed decides to sack Alegri? Another rebuild for 3 years with a new wave of players because the new one doesn't fancy the set up of the previous manager?

2) Ole clearly set out what he wanted to do. Play attacking football from the front foot. How long have you been watching Manchester United? Admittedly after CR7 left, we weren't great but prior to that, all of Fergies teams were attacking. Yes in certain games, especially Europe, we may have opted for counter attacking football, but very rarely in the league. So I have no idea where you got we were never attacking previously.

3) One of the reasons we're in such a mess is employing people in jobs they've never done before. It's great giving them opportunities in the youth ranks, not trial and error in first team.

I'd wish United fans would stop living in a world where everyone employed has to be United. Get the best people for the jobs. Forward thinking people.
 

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1. Why do people assume pragmatic is a bad thing? Do you know what that even means? Do you immediately associate pragmatic and defensive?

Pragmatic is being smart and flexible to switch between attacking and defending as needed. It's an extremely positive trait to have, especially if you're not someone like Pep who's had one philosophy his whole life.

Also, why does being pragmatic mean he will tear up the squad? Pragmatic people work with what they have. And to be honest, more than 50% of this squad needs tearing up.

2. Please stop making jokes about Solskjaer having a philosophy, let alone it being a positive. Not a single United manager I watched has had the philosophy you talk about, including SAF. He's the very definition of a pragmatist, as is Allegri.

3. Evra would be a smart hire precisely because he wouldn't be relied upon to turn things around or be the main assistant or make big decisions. Allegri has his longtime assistants and coaches for that. Evra IMO would be a link between players and coaching staff. He's respected, one of the best ever at his position, he's experienced and smart, worked with Allegri, has a connection with Pogba and speaks both English and Italian fluently so he can also help in that regard with a new manager working in England for the first time.


I thought so too at first, but the journalist who wrote the article presented it as a report and I googled him a bit and he's been a correspondent for Serie A for a long time, gave a lot of interviews about Allegri in the past and Evra and Allegri have a really good relationship so I wouldn't be surprised at all.
I don't even know what is being discussed but would like to seriously agree with the bolded. People call defensive pragmatic which is a pet peeve of mine. Pragmatism is defined by the circumstances eg going defensive when you're the underdogs or unlikely to win. Going defensive when you're the favourites is stretching the term.
 

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Allegri is not the answer...... feels like a desperate Woodward ploy to keep Pogba for the commercial side
Football Illuminati!!!!!!

Appoint a world class manager. Defo commercial.

Sign a world class player. Defo commercial.
 

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Honestly, the United way has always been about having the best players giving their all under a world-class manager. It's that simple.

I can only see one way to reach those lofty heights and it's not pretty, but desperate times call for desperate measures: getting bought by the likes of Qatar or SA will attract managers like Pep and players like Neymar.

Who says we can't snatch up City's manager? He's the best and United are in desperate need of his quality.
Frankly speaking, any players/managers who will only be attracted by having owners who are serial human-rights abusers are not the kind of players I will want to support. As far as I can tell, Bayern, Liverpool and Juventus aren't run by people like Mohammed Bin Salman, so I don't see why we should be.
 

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Can we please stop appointing managers based on their availability in the short time?
I’d be fine with Allegri for two seasons top if it means we get a longer term more progressive coach like Nagelsmann after him, but then their footballing philosophies are totally different.

After all the shite we’ve been through the club deserves a coach who could get us excited about football again and see the team progress in a more proactive and dominant direction.
Allegri is not that man.

If we want pragmatic, then why Allegri?
Go all in on Diego Simeone, the man made Atletico Madrid compete under almost impossible circumstances against 2 European giants.

Allegri is seriously not what we need after our experience with LvG and Mourinho, Allegri won’t do better than Mourinho here imo.
 

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I don't even know what is being discussed but would like to seriously agree with the bolded. People call defensive pragmatic which is a pet peeve of mine. Pragmatism is defined by the circumstances eg going defensive when you're the underdogs or unlikely to win. Going defensive when you're the favourites is stretching the term.
Exactly, ive never seen Juve play defensively against a team that they should beat. Infact they play rather dominant football against them. I remember their match vs Napoli last season and we havent had a match like that since Sir Alex. Tactically there's alot of the great man in Allegri. A pure winner who does what's needed to get the job done.
 

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So it seems it's Allegri with Evra as coach? That's perfect, I'd actually be optimistic after months of suffering!
Can we please stop appointing managers based on their availability in the short time?
I’d be fine with Allegri for two seasons top if it means we get a longer term more progressive coach like Nagelsmann after him, but then their footballing philosophies are totally different.

After all the shite we’ve been through the club deserves a coach who could get us excited about football again and see the team progress in a more proactive and dominant direction.
Allegri is not that man.

If we want pragmatic, then why Allegri?
Go all in on Diego Simeone, the man made Atletico Madrid compete under almost impossible circumstances against 2 European giants.

Allegri is seriously not what we need after our experience with LvG and Mourinho, Allegri won’t do better than Mourinho here imo.
Come on :lol: Simeone got absolutely embarrased by Allegri's Juve last year in CL, trashed 3:0 in Turin. Allegri deployed a hybrid 4-3-3 / 3-4-3 formation where Emre Can drifted between box-to-box and CB position, the player himself said that he's never seen anything like that. They stretched the play and dominated Atletico on the flanks, because Simeone sticked to his usual narrow 4-4-2 and failed to respond in any way.
 

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The games in europe you mention are just one off games though where anything can happen, could he have beat them on a consistent basis? I have my doubts.
Did you watch the matches? Honestly if you arent impressed by a coach after that then you're.never going to be impressed.
 

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So it seems it's Allegri with Evra as coach? That's perfect, I'd actually be optimistic after months of suffering!

Come on :lol: Simeone got absolutely embarrased by Allegri's Juve last year in CL, trashed 3:0 in Turin. Allegri deployed a hybrid 4-3-3 / 3-4-3 formation where Emre Can drifted between box-to-box and CB position, the player himself said that he's never seen anything like that. They stretched the play and dominated Atletico on the flanks, because Simeone sticked to his usual narrow 4-4-2 and failed to respond in any way.
Are we seriously going to judge managers on one tie basis and completely disregard previous achievements?
This isn’t serious.
I personally don’t want either of them but I rate Simeone higher based on the consistency he achieved in La Liga under incredibly difficult circumstances, and his Atletico out-thinking many top sides and top managers over the years in the CL.

And lets not ignore a certain C.Ronaldo practically winning the tie on his own.
Yea, Emre Can’s experimental position was totally what made the difference, and not the most dominant player in CL history, ludicrous.
 

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Are we seriously going to judge managers on one tie basis and completely disregard previous achievements?
This isn’t serious.
I personally don’t want either of them but I rate Simeone higher based on the consistency he achieved in La Liga under incredibly difficult circumstances, and his Atletico out-thinking many top sides and top managers over the years in the CL.

And lets not ignore a certain C.Ronaldo practically winning the tie on his own.
They've done the same a year before, winning 0:3 at Bernabeu only to get knocked out by Ronaldo's penalty in last minute. Similar tactical approach as well, with Mandzukic scoring the goals instead of CR7. A more impressive match than any of Simeone's against RM I've seen.

I know that Caf would prefer "attacking" and "progressive" manager from Bundesliga (with blank CV) but Allegri is the best choice in my opinion. We'll have a proper tactician coaching the team and Evra will no doubt provide some entertainment, I'm sick of Ole looking like a hurt clueless puppy on the bench.
 

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Are we seriously going to judge managers on one tie basis and completely disregard previous achievements?
This isn’t serious.
I personally don’t want either of them but I rate Simeone higher based on the consistency he achieved in La Liga under incredibly difficult circumstances, and his Atletico out-thinking many top sides and top managers over the years in the CL.

And lets not ignore a certain C.Ronaldo practically winning the tie on his own.
Yea, Emre Can’s experimental position was totally what made the difference, and not the most dominant player in CL history, ludicrous.
We are currently 12th are you guys really arguing about high end management. God bless the day we can talk about having a world class player being the difference.