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When Allegri took over AC Milan were a cup team which was already in decline. They haven't won the league since 2003-2004, Ancelotti left in very bad terms and it was evident that the AC Milan of the past (ie who invested heavily on the squad was over). Allegri took a rather ageing squad which was strengthened by loaned players (Ibra), rejects (Robinho) and bad boy, Cassano. He also had Pato who had the injury record of our Jones with the difference that Pato was screwing Berlusconi's daughter which basically made him untouchable.

Allegri took this mismatched squad of giant egos and an ageing squad of players who gave their all to Milan and were in no mood to accommodate divas to a Serie A title success. After that Berlusconi kept pushing players out. Pirlo left in 2011, Ibra, Thiago Silva, Van Bommel, Aquilani, Cassano and the old guard (Gattuso, Seedorf, Nesta) left a year after, then it was Boateng and Cristante time to leave. AC Milan barely had any decent players to rely upon anymore and things spiralled out of control.

I can't see how you can possibly blame him of what happened at AC Milan and you certainly don't get Juve's top job unless you did something right.

Regarding pirlo he said

'There were problems with Allegri at Milan, because I was injured for four months of that year," Pirlo said - via Football Italia. "I returned when the team was doing well and it was difficult for him to change formation at that point too. Milan had won the Scudetto.'

You can't blame it on that either
The team he inherited at Milan was star studded and only 3 years earlier had won the Champions League. And that particular squad was considered the best in Serie A. Robinho was displaying fantastic form and was flying at the time for Milan. Allegri won the the league with the best squad in the league in his first season. His second season he lost the league to a inferior Juventus and his final season was so bad that many fans called him clueless and the football was absolutely dire. How he got the Juve gig after his shit show in his last two seasons at Milan was truly baffling and many Juventini were extremely dissapointed with his appointment at the time. There's many parallels to be drawn with Allegri's time at Milan and Mourinho's at United. Only difference being Allegri inherited a much stronger squad in comparison.

Would be a bad appointment and we'd fall further behind the pace setters because both Klopp and Guardiola are far superior coaches. At least with Nagelsmann and Rose we'd have two coaches who have the potential to bang with the best.
 
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Nah, it just makes the job significantly more difficult for whomever comes in.
To the point where it's at best a poisoned chalice. Imagine trying to manage this team? I can't think of any manager in history who wouldn't appear to be clueless.

When the bare minimum isn't functioning i.e. a reliable fitness team (all of our players go through cycles of being crocked) then any manager will be struggling massively.
 

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The team he inherited at Milan was star studded and only 3 years earlier had won the Champions League. And that particular squad was considered the best in Serie A. Robinho was displaying fantastic form and was flying at the time for Milan. Allegri won the the league with the best squad in the league in his first season. His second season he lost the league to a inferior Juventus and his final season was so bad that many fans called him clueless and the football was absolutely dire. How he got the Juve gig after his shit show in his last two seasons at Milan was truly baffling and many Juventini were extremely dissapointed with his appointment at the time. There's many parallels to be drawn with Allegri's time at Milan and Mourinho's at United. Only difference being Allegri inherited a much stronger squad in comparison.

Would be a bad appointment and we'd fall further behind the pace setters because both Klopp and Guardiola are far superior coaches. At least with Nagelsmann and Rose we'd have two coaches who have the potential to bang with the best.
Can't disagree with this, missing out on both Klopp and Pep was a big set back and Rose and Nagelsmann look like they can at least match up tactically with those two. We need to ensure we get one of them, back them heavily and hope that our financial muscle and prestigious name in conjunction with a top young manager enables us to attract top talent again.

Going for someone who isn't tactically revolutionary who would come in and try the same old park the bus b.s will drag us further back. The only other acceptable option is Rodgers but if be takes Leicester into the CL he won't find us an attractive option.

For me the biggest signing we can make is a DOF and this would put a stop to this madness of paying outrageous fees for vastly limited talent and give us continuity in the long run.
 

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The team he inherited at Milan was star studded and only 3 years earlier had won the Champions League. And that particular squad was considered the best in Serie A. Robinho was displaying fantastic form and was flying at the time for Milan. Allegri won the the league with the best squad in the league in his first season. His second season he lost the league to a inferior Juventus and his final season was so bad that many fans called him clueless and the football was absolutely dire. How he got the Juve gig after his shit show in his last two seasons at Milan was truly baffling and many Juventini were extremely dissapointed with his appointment at the time. There's many parallels to be drawn with Allegri's time at Milan and Mourinho's at United. Only difference being Allegri inherited a much stronger squad in comparison.

Would be a bad appointment and we'd fall further behind the pace setters because both Klopp and Guardiola are far superior coaches. At least with Nagelsmann and Rose we'd have two coaches who have the potential to bang with the best.
The team he inherited was ancient, with the likes of Filippo Inzaghi , Flavio Roma , Mario Yepes , Alessandro Nesta , Clarence Seedorf , Massimo Oddo, Nicola Legrottaglie, Gianluca Zambrotta, Mark van Bommel, Marek Jankulovski, Massimo Ambrosini, Christian Abbiati, Gennaro Gattuso, Kakhaber Kaladze and Andrea Pirlo all in 30+. Then you had Ronaldinho who was as good as retired and rumours were circling around Thiago Silva leaving. There's a very valid reason why Ancelotti left the circus. It was evident were AC Milan were heading to and he refused to be dragged by them into the pits.

Allegri had to rely heavily on a team made up largely made up of ancient players who won it all and were therefore difficult to motivate and players who a nightmare to manage such as Ronaldinho, Ibra, Robinho, Cassano and Pato (who was screwing Berlusconi's daughter). Most manager would be frightened by it. He won the league with them.

I am not saying that Allegri is the solution to our problems. All I am saying is that unlike our previous managers or any milk sop/flavour of the season, Allegri is quite experienced in managing a squad which is far from perfect and still punch above its weight. He did that with Cagliari, Sassuolo, Milan and to a lesser extent Juve.
 

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The team he inherited was ancient, with the likes of Filippo Inzaghi , Flavio Roma , Mario Yepes , Alessandro Nesta , Clarence Seedorf , Massimo Oddo, Nicola Legrottaglie, Gianluca Zambrotta, Mark van Bommel, Marek Jankulovski, Massimo Ambrosini, Christian Abbiati, Gennaro Gattuso, Kakhaber Kaladze and Andrea Pirlo all in 30+. Then you had Ronaldinho who was as good as retired and rumours were circling around Thiago Silva leaving. There's a very valid reason why Ancelotti left the circus. It was evident were AC Milan were heading to and he refused to be dragged by them into the pits.

Allegri had to rely heavily on a team made up largely made up of ancient players who won it all and were therefore difficult to motivate and players who a nightmare to manage such as Ronaldinho, Ibra, Robinho, Cassano and Pato (who was screwing Berlusconi's daughter). Most manager would be frightened by it. He won the league with them.

I am not saying that Allegri is the solution to our problems. All I am saying is that unlike our previous managers or any milk sop/flavour of the season, Allegri is quite experienced in managing a squad which is far from perfect and still punch above its weight. He did that with Cagliari, Sassuolo, Milan and to a lesser extent Juve.
The squad was aging that's true, but Allegri still got his wish and signed over the hill Mark Van Bommel to add to the misery. And the younger and more talented Pirlo couldn't get a game and eventually left for Juve.

Ibra, Cassano, Aquilani and Robinho were signed with Allegri's blessing because he was the man at the helm when they were signed.

Pato scored 14 league goals in the scudetto winning season which was the joint highest along with Ibra and Robinho. The affair with Barbara had a very positive effect it seems.

He won the league because he had the best CB in Thiago Silva and the very experienced Nesta alongside him. Pato, Robinho and Ibra were also very good and all 3 players scored 14 goals each in the league alone that season. The midfield was Seedorf, Van Bommel and Gattuso. The challengers were Inter at the time and they were also a aging team. Basically the league was very weak at the time which helped, and the aging squad argument doesn't help Allegri, when he himself added a past it Van Bommel and was competing against a aging Inter.
 

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The squad was aging that's true, but Allegri still got his wish and signed over the hill Mark Van Bommel to add to the misery. And the younger and more talented Pirlo couldn't get a game and eventually left for Juve.

Ibra, Cassano, Aquilani and Robinho were signed with Allegri's blessing because he was the man at the helm when they were signed.

Pato scored 14 league goals in the scudetto winning season which was the joint highest along with Ibra and Robinho. The affair with Barbara had a very positive effect it seems.

He won the league because he had the best CB in Thiago Silva and the very experienced Nesta alongside him. Pato, Robinho and Ibra were also very good and all 3 players scored 14 goals each in the league alone that season. The midfield was Seedorf, Van Bommel and Gattuso. The challengers were Inter at the time and they were also a aging team. Basically the league was very weak at the time which helped, and the aging squad argument doesn't help Allegri, when he himself added a past it Van Bommel and was competing against a aging Inter.
You have no idea how Milan worked don't you? Berlusconi would talk big about transfers to appease fans/voters only to give Galliani spare change to work with. Then when things go wrong Berlusconi would pop in the dressing room lecturing the manager on how to do their job in front of his own players. Sometimes he even brought the cameras with him. Ah and he would occasionally ask a player about his wife and when he's going to bring her to Milanello so that he can finally meet her as according to rumours she's the most beautiful WAG at Milan. Here's an example of what I am saying.


You don't want Allegri which is fair enough. Honestly I can't see him staying with United for long either. However as Ole said we need at least 3-4 transfer windows to sort this mess. Which means that before we return to our best we'll probably need a manager who stirs the ship to the right direction and takes all the shit that entails. I can't think of many managers with the experience of managing flawed squads with great expectations and little talent to match as Allegri does.
 
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You have no idea how Milan worked don't you? Berlusconi would talk big about transfers to appease fans/voters only to give Galliani spare change to work with. Then when things go wrong Berlusconi would pop in the dressing room lecturing the manager on how to do their job in front of his own players. Sometimes he even brought the cameras with him. Ah and he would occasionally ask a player about his wife and when he's going to bring her to Milanello so that he can finally meet her as according to rumours she's the most beautiful WAG at Milan. Here's an example of what I am saying.


You don't want Allegri which is fair enough. Honestly I can't see him staying with United for long either. However as Ole said we need at least 3-4 transfer windows to sort this mess. I can't think of many managers with the experience of managing flawed squads with great expectations and little talent to match as Allegri does.
You have no idea how Milan worked don't you? Berlusconi would talk big about transfers to appease fans/voters only to give Galliani spare change to work with. Then when things go wrong Berlusconi would pop in the dressing room lecturing the manager on how to do their job in front of his own players. Sometimes he even brought the cameras with him. Ah and he would occasionally ask a player about his wife and when he's going to bring her to Milanello so that he can finally meet her as according to rumours she's the most beautiful WAG at Milan. Here's an example of what I am saying.


You don't want Allegri which is fair enough. Honestly I can't see him staying with United for long either. However as Ole said we need at least 3-4 transfer windows to sort this mess. I can't think of many managers with the experience of managing flawed squads with great expectations and little talent to match as Allegri does.
Berlusconi saved the club from bankruptacy in 1986 and created arguably the greatest club side of all time with Arrigo Sacchi at the helm with unbelievable success. He can do as he pleases.

You have completely ignored what I said in my previous post and shifted goal posts in the process mate.
 

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Berlusconi saved the club from bankruptacy in 1986 and created arguably the greatest club side of all time with Arrigo Sacchi at the helm with unbelievable success. He can do as he pleases.

You have completely ignored what I said in my previous post and shifted goal posts in the process mate.
Actually I was answering your question in detail. Allegri like any other manager at Milan during the time had little to no say about signings. The structure was as followed. Berlusconi would promise the moon to the fans only to give Galliani peanuts to spend. Which meant that Galliani had to try to bridge the fan expectations and the minimum budget given to him. Usually that was done by signing old players on a free/low fees, get players on loan or buying other club's rejects. Allegri team consisted most of these sort of players aka old players in search for their final pay check or players with an attitude problem. These players would then boost an already old squad of proven veterans whom, by 2010, were clearly in decline. As said there's a reason why Ancelotti left the sinking ship and why Ibra spent his 2 years at Milan frustrated and angry of having to work in a side that was clearly not good enough.

That's not all. Around that period the Italian court condemned Berlusconi to pay around 590m (which went down to 494m) for the Mondadori case. During that same period Berlusconi not only closed AC Milan's financial tab but he also started selling every decent AC Milan player. Also in 2011 Barbara Berlusconi was given a prominent role with Milan. Barbara shared her father's lust and love to intrude on football matters but lacked the little football know how her dad had. Barbara ended up clashing with the old Fox Galliani on everything (expecially signings) while fecking Pato on the side. Some accused her for ruining Pato as suddenly the guy found himself distracted from football and in a position were he could show the middle finger to both his trainers and the manager. Allegri did his very best at the time, by exploiting every drop of talent left out of his team and promoting kids in the process (De Sciglio and El Sharaawy). He finished the 2012-2013 season at a respectable 3rd place and that despite losing Alessandro Nesta, Filippo Inzaghi, Gennaro Gattuso, Gianluca Zambrotta, Mark van Bommel, Clarence Seedorf, Thiago Silva, Zlatan Ibrahimović, Antonio Cassano and Alexandre Pato

Unfortunately El Shawaary picked a series of injuries towards the end of the 2013 season which basically ruined the 2013-14 + part of the 2015 season as well.. That (+ the departure of Boateng and Ambrosini) was the final straw that broke the camel's back.

Also note that Allegri was pushed out by Barbara Berlusconi and against Galliani's wishes. Barbara wanted Inzaghi to replace him. Turned out that there were rumours that the two were having a relationship together although Barbara has refused such rumours.
 
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Actually I was answering your question in detail. Allegri like any other manager at Milan during the time had little to no say about signings. The structure was as followed. Berlusconi would promise the moon to the fans only to give Galliani peanuts to spend. Which meant that Galliani had to try to bridge the fan expectations and the minimum budget given to him. Usually that was done by signing old players on a free/low fees, get players on loan or buying other club's rejects. Allegri team consisted most of these sort of players aka old players in search for their final pay check or players with an attitude problem. These players would then boost an already old squad of proven veterans whom, by 2010, were clearly in decline. As said there's a reason why Ancelotti left the sinking ship and why Ibra spent his 2 years at Milan frustrated and angry of having to work in a side that was clearly not good enough.

That's not all. Around that period the Italian court condemned Berlusconi to pay around 590m (which went down to 494m) for the Mondadori case. During that same period Berlusconi not only closed AC Milan's financial tab but he also started selling every decent AC Milan player. Also in 2011 Barbara Berlusconi was given a prominent role with Milan. Barbara shared her father's lust and love to intrude on football matters but lacked the little football know how her dad had. Barbara ended up clashing with the old Fox Galliani on everything (expecially signings) while fecking Pato on the side. Some accused her for ruining Pato as suddenly the guy found himself distracted from football and in a position were he could show the middle finger to both his trainers and the manager. Allegri did his very best at the time, by exploiting every drop of talent left out of his team and promoting kids in the process (De Sciglio and El Sharaawy). He finished the 2012-2013 season at a respectable 3rd place and that despite losing Alessandro Nesta, Filippo Inzaghi, Gennaro Gattuso, Gianluca Zambrotta, Mark van Bommel, Clarence Seedorf, Thiago Silva, Zlatan Ibrahimović, Antonio Cassano and Alexandre Pato

Unfortunately El Shawaary picked a series of injuries towards the end of the 2013 season which basically ruined the 2013-14 + part of the 2015 season as well.. That (+ the departure of Boateng and Ambrosini) was the final straw that broke the camel's back.

Also note that Allegri was pushed out by Barbara Berlusconi and against Galliani's wishes. Barbara wanted Inzaghi to replace him. Turned out that there were rumours that the two were having a relationship together although Barbara has refused such rumours.
It was reported by many reliable Italian outlets that Allegri wanted Van Bommel. He was eventually granted his wish in January 2011 by the club.

Barbara probably did push him out, but the football under him was so dire that she was left with no choice.

Allegri also made some crazy player usage decisions, like playing Urby Emanuelson, capped by the Dutch national team at left back, as a trequartista, or playing box-to-box midfielder Kevin-Prince Boateng on the wing, or converting mediocre midfielder Kevin Constant into a shambolic left back. The list goes on and on.
 

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It was reported by many reliable Italian outlets that Allegri wanted Van Bommel. He was eventually granted his wish in January 2011 by the club.

Barbara probably did push him out, but the football under him was so dire that she was left with no choice.

Allegri also made some crazy player usage decisions, like playing Urby Emanuelson, capped by the Dutch national team at left back, as a trequartista, or playing box-to-box midfielder Kevin-Prince Boateng on the wing, or converting mediocre midfielder Kevin Constant into a shambolic left back. The list goes on and on.
Van bommel was a free transfer who served Milan well during that period. There's no shame signing him in especially at a cash strapped club at a time when they were struggling to persuade pirlo to commit himself for a new contract

Allegri does have thr weakness of trying players out of position, something synonymous with Sir Alex as well (Gaz, Keane, Jones, Scholes, Rafael etc). However while such criticism is justified at Juve its not at Milan. The side he was working with in his final years was embarrassing
 

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Van bommel was a free transfer who served Milan well during that period. There's no shame signing him in especially at a cash strapped club at a time when they were struggling to persuade pirlo to commit himself for a new contract

Allegri does have thr weakness of trying players out of position, something synonymous with Sir Alex as well (Gaz, Keane, Jones, Scholes, Rafael etc). However while such criticism is justified at Juve its not at Milan. The side he was working with in his final years was embarrassing
Van bommel was a free transfer who served Milan well during that period. There's no shame signing him in especially at a cash strapped club at a time when they were struggling to persuade pirlo to commit himself for a new contract

Allegri does have thr weakness of trying players out of position, something synonymous with Sir Alex as well (Gaz, Keane, Jones, Scholes, Rafael etc). However while such criticism is justified at Juve its not at Milan. The side he was working with in his final years was embarrassing
The reason he signed Van Bommel was because he preferred a more conventional DM and that was the reason the younger Pirlo was sidelined. Pirlo only made 17 appearances which was the reason he left. Are you surprised he didn't want to commit?

Sir Alex played players out of position and won. Fergie played the likes of P Neville out of position with good success. Fergie even beat Wengers Arsenal with about 7/8 defenders in the first 11. Allegri in comparison was called clueless for the way he played players out of position. Playing a Left Back at #10 was shocking and contributed to the dire football Milan played and it's understandable why he was called a coward in later seasons. I agree there was other problems at the club but Allegri was one of them and Milan got worse with each season he was there.

Juventus fans were dissapointed when he arrived at their club. And they were happy when he left.
 

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Brendan Rogers is not going to come to United. Why should he? Leicester has good rich owners and it looks like they are backing him and he has got his side to the 2nd in the table right now and playing well too.
 

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Brendan Rogers is not going to come to United. Why should he? Leicester has good rich owners and it looks like they are backing him and he has got his side to the 2nd in the table right now and playing well too.
Wouldnt want him either. Nor rafael benitez.

As a united fans that is a wee bit too much rooting for them. I know they're a good manager but feck it.. no thanks.
 

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Wouldnt want him either. Nor rafael benitez.

As a united fans that is a wee bit too much rooting for them. I know they're a good manager but feck it.. no thanks.
Sir Matt played for City and Liverpool.
 

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We should sign Poch when he gets the sack. He can get us down to ground. It's hard to be a hater, when the team is having some progress. I think signing him would be a great idea...Not! haha : )

Hope the owners/board gives Ole the time and money to build up a proper team, and that we dont keep switching managers like some lesser clubs.
 
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I, maybe like a lot of people would have liked Pochettino at United before we actually appointed Ole as our permanent manager.He had a brilliant reputation in the game,seemed very much a forward thinker, a players coach if you like and someone who could almost certainly get the best out of average,limited,good and very good footballers.Now I have to say, whilst I still do not think Ole is the answer to our problems and will turn things around spectacularly long term for United,the fact Poch and Spurs have dropped so dramatically from a Champions League Final back in June to where they are now does cause me a great deal of concern simply because whilst the most knowledgeable football supporter could have certainly predicted a drop in form with an ageing squad,I am not sure anyone could have foreseen such a step backwards which does in part tarnish his reputation and make me question if he is good as the majority seem to think he is
 

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I, maybe like a lot of people would have liked Pochettino at United before we actually appointed Ole as our permanent manager.He had a brilliant reputation in the game,seemed very much a forward thinker, a players coach if you like and someone who could almost certainly get the best out of average,limited,good and very good footballers.Now I have to say, whilst I still do not think Ole is the answer to our problems and will turn things around spectacularly long term for United,the fact Poch and Spurs have dropped so dramatically from a Champions League Final back in June to where they are now does cause me a great deal of concern simply because whilst the most knowledgeable football supporter could have certainly predicted a drop in form with an ageing squad,I am not sure anyone could have foreseen such a step backwards which does in part tarnish his reputation and make me question if he is good as the majority seem to think he is
Its possible for almost any manager to have a bad season, for any number of reasons. Ferguson was an all time great not because he was necessarily a visionary tactically, but because of his genius level ability to foresee the decline in a player or a squad, and act accordingly. Even the great man had his moments and there were a few people during the Kleberson & Djemba-Djemba era that were questioning whether he'd past his sell-by date. History proved otherwise.

I don't think its fair on Pochettino or anyone for that matter to overlook all of the successes they've had because of one bad period. Its clear there are issues there in the squad, and we don't have enough facts to judge his level of responsibility in that. Amazingly enough it appears that he won't get the opportunity to prove that he can rejuvenate them, and perhaps doesn't have the motivation to want to, but you only have to look at the level (and number) of clubs that will be licking their lips at the prospect of hiring him to know how he is viewed in the footballing world.
 

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I, maybe like a lot of people would have liked Pochettino at United before we actually appointed Ole as our permanent manager.He had a brilliant reputation in the game,seemed very much a forward thinker, a players coach if you like and someone who could almost certainly get the best out of average,limited,good and very good footballers.Now I have to say, whilst I still do not think Ole is the answer to our problems and will turn things around spectacularly long term for United,the fact Poch and Spurs have dropped so dramatically from a Champions League Final back in June to where they are now does cause me a great deal of concern simply because whilst the most knowledgeable football supporter could have certainly predicted a drop in form with an ageing squad,I am not sure anyone could have foreseen such a step backwards which does in part tarnish his reputation and make me question if he is good as the majority seem to think he is
Something very similar happened with Klopp at Dortmund. What is needed is a churn over of players every so often. It is felt that a lot players had performed at a high level for a long time and now needed replacing, which they failed to do properly. So they're getting the consequences of it now. I think Tifo did a video on it. Was fascinating to watch.
 

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If Woodward had any sense he’d be in Poch’s ear right now setting the deal up so if/when we do sack Ole there’s no drawn out process and it’s virtually completed.
 

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It might seem unlikely but my great fear here is he takes some time off and then City line him up for next season if Pep moves.
 

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Ole’s job just got a whole lot harder. He best start stacking them results boy. :lol:
 

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If Woodward had any sense he’d be in Poch’s ear right now setting the deal up so if/when we do sack Ole there’s no drawn out process and it’s virtually completed.
Ole won't be a long term option (hope he becomes a success and proves me wrong). Appointing Poch as has replacement would make little sense. For one Poch has never managed a pressured job like Uniteds and working along side the clueless Woodward and Glazers is a more difficult task than he had at spurs.
 

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Ole won't be a long term option (hope he becomes a success and proves me wrong). Appointing Poch as has replacement would make little sense. For one Poch has never managed a pressured job like Uniteds and working along side the clueless Woodward and Glazers is a more difficult task than he had at spurs.
If Ole isn’t long term then why would appointing Poch be wrong ? Not to say I’m OleOut.... Yet
 

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Ole's going no where. Don't know what people are salivating just because Pochettino got sacked...
Yep, we are stuck with Fleksnes unfortunately.
You are from Sweden, what do you think about Magnus Haglund as next manager? He won Allsvenskan with Elfsborg twice and is on the same level as Ole.

I think we should have a look at him, he is an attack minded manager as well.
 

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I'm all for getting Poch. There aren't many good managers available out there who fit us, I think Poch is the best option available to us now.
 

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I like Ole, I really do, but what do we have to lose by cutting him loose and taking Poch on as an interim.

It'll keep Poch and his family in England until the summer when it can all be properly re-evaluated, by all sides.