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I don’t get how you can be in a worst league position.. and be doing a great job. He’s out performing David Moyes on who’s the worst manager. But he’s doing a good job?
Hes doing better than Moyes win% wise, but that was not the point anyways

Jose and LvG was brought in to win trophies i guess? But they did an awful job on the rebuild part. Ole on the other hand is less likely than Jose to bring silverware, but so far looks to do a better job on the rebuilding part. Doing a decent rebuild is not mutually exclusive with success on the field, but they are not the same either.

To put it another way: I would much rather end up 6th and see us promote and purchase young and promising players who would strengthen us 2-3 years from now than go all-in for top 4 and go for even more short term solutions because we want success now.
 

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Hes doing better than Moyes win% wise, but that was not the point anyways

Jose and LvG was brought in to win trophies i guess? But they did an awful job on the rebuild part. Ole on the other hand is less likely than Jose to bring silverware, but so far looks to do a better job on the rebuilding part. Doing a decent rebuild is not mutually exclusive with success on the field, but they are not the same either.

To put it another way: I would much rather end up 6th and see us promote and purchase young and promising players who would strengthen us 2-3 years from now than go all-in for top 4 and go for even more short term solutions because we want success now.
LVG was brought in to bring his football ethics and start an original rebuild. We gave him a 3 year contract he only wanted two. I don’t believe it was ever a similar situation to Mourinho’s otherwise we wouldn’t have sacked him after winning an FA Cup. What exactly is Ole doing away from the field that’s so successful? I haven’t heard anything about new training methods, new dietitians, new Bielsa like monitoring of players. All things that we heard under LVG’s rebuild. All he’s done is get rid of players who were already one foot out and replaced them with no-one. I could have done that for half the price.
 

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Hes doing better than Moyes win% wise, but that was not the point anyways

Jose and LvG was brought in to win trophies i guess? But they did an awful job on the rebuild part. Ole on the other hand is less likely than Jose to bring silverware, but so far looks to do a better job on the rebuilding part. Doing a decent rebuild is not mutually exclusive with success on the field, but they are not the same either.

To put it another way: I would much rather end up 6th and see us promote and purchase young and promising players who would strengthen us 2-3 years from now than go all-in for top 4 and go for even more short term solutions because we want success now.
He's passed LvG's win% as well.

Not that it has any bearing on our current situation, but I just know that someone is going to be wildly triggered reading that fact and get on here with some argument typed with clenched buttcheeks.
 

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He's passed LvG's win% as well.

Not that it has any bearing on our current situation, but I just know that someone is going to be wildly triggered reading that fact and get on here with some argument typed with clenched buttcheeks.
Passed his win % or creeping back down towards it. Considering he had one of the greatest starts of any football coach.
 

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Poch has done a great job at Spurs. They’re gone from ‘“lads, it’s Spurs” to regularly League challengers under him, with a bare transfer kitty. You give 500m to him (as what we gave Mou) at Spurs, he’d have Spurs dominating this League like Bayern in Bundesliga.
Spurs have never challenged for the league under Poch. Hell, they managed to come third in a two-horse race the season Leicester won the league.

They're still regarded as bottlers, just as they were before Poch.

United fans need to realise that he's not the Messiah, just a good (not brilliant) manager.
 

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Spurs found 72pts in 2012-13 season, 69 in 2013-2014 season, finishing 5th and 6th respectively.

Poch's first full year ended up with a 5th place finish, but only 64 points. They've won exactly nothing in all his years there, and one could argue the reason for the successes they have had is to Harry Kane's benefit.

I'm sure he's a decent manager, but its not like he was an immediate success or filled up any trophy rooms. In, fact spurs collected more points every season 4 years in a row prior to his appointment (under Rednapp, Villas-Boas & Sherwood).
 

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I do not think Poch is the man to take us forward. We need a better manager than him. Now Jose is at Spurs we can see the difference. I am sure Jose will win a trophy at Spurs.
 

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If either/both of Klopp/Guardiola move on to pastures new, managing Manchester United suddenly becomes a supremely attractive position again. Poch would certainly come in that scenario
 

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At this rate ole should be given 3 years, and 3 years bar relegation.

Time to put this young and visionary and long term bullshit done and dusted. If it works great we'll have our next saf, if it doesnt then and only then our fans can accept that asking for another saf is a pipe dream and probably only then we can operate like any other top team and not being burdened by united value and all that.

If we hit the reset button the fans would still be split between ole and poch and nothing good will come of it.
yes giv ehim 3 years knowing that we wont win nothing with him,!!
 

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He's passed LvG's win% as well.

Not that it has any bearing on our current situation, but I just know that someone is going to be wildly triggered reading that fact and get on here with some argument typed with clenched buttcheeks.
If Ole fails, what would you think about Magnus Haglund as manager?
 

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LVG was brought in to bring his football ethics and start an original rebuild. We gave him a 3 year contract he only wanted two. I don’t believe it was ever a similar situation to Mourinho’s otherwise we wouldn’t have sacked him after winning an FA Cup. What exactly is Ole doing away from the field that’s so successful? I haven’t heard anything about new training methods, new dietitians, new Bielsa like monitoring of players. All things that we heard under LVG’s rebuild. All he’s done is get rid of players who were already one foot out and replaced them with no-one. I could have done that for half the price.
Yeah and LvG failed pretty hard in that department if you ask me. I've said this before but he sold good players like Nani, Evans and Rafael for peanuts, and while he did have some good signings, notably Herrera and Martial, most of his transfers were shit. LvG sure brought some "new" training methods, but lets not pretend they were successful. Sure, he managed to implement them with very notable effects on the field, but the football it produced was pretty dire and the results were not great either

I have said this before, but transfers and squad building at this stage is incredibly important and this is where i feel Ole is doing a much better job than his predecessors. 3/3 signing have all walked into our first XI and improved us markedly and that with only a net spend of 90 million. Considering both LvG and Jose usually spent around 130-150 million net each year and had a lot of weird signings, Ole is looking quite good in comparison. If the next transfers windows are as good as this one, our squad will be in pretty good shape suddenly. And you can discredit him getting rid of deadwood all you want, still does not change the fact that hes the only one who has actually done it

Players are also happy and just this week Rashford said this to Sky: https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/11866087/marcus-rashford-backs-ole-gunnar-solskjaer-no-one-better-for-manchester-united Players still publicly backing him despite our shit league form must mean he is doing something right and the players still have faith in him. Unless of course Ole is just selling them snake oil and they all are somehow suffering from Stockholm syndrome or something
 

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I do not think Poch is the man to take us forward. We need a better manager than him. Now Jose is at Spurs we can see the difference. I am sure Jose will win a trophy at Spurs.
Who do you think is the man to take us forward,personally I don't see Ole ever being at the level required to manage this club
 

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Who do you think is the man to take us forward,personally I don't see Ole ever being at the level required to manage this club
It might be true, but I can't see anyone who would improve us at the moment. We are a club that needs changes higher than manager and his team. We need changes at the very top, if not personal, at least in the way we view football (which is going to be even harder to achieve).

Sacking Solskjaer won't help us at all right now. If we sack him, the new manager will get a good start and will give us new hope, but after a year or a few months, we'll be in the same position.

As much as I love Ole and I love him as our manager, I think that Mourinho (although he had really poor results) may have been sacked too early as our players aren't world class and it's not a manager's fault or a particular manager's faul. Bad management in overall since Fergie's retirement and thinking that sacking and hiring changes the team hasn't helped.

We need changes in the club (not team), but if they don't happen, there's no point in sacking Ole and paying him up.
 

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Ole should see out the season and allowed to bring in at least 2 players in jan. That will be virtuallly half a team with the summer 3 and we can see if there is a marked improvement in the 2nd half of the season. There are signs (Bournemouth aside) that we are getting a run together with the football looking better than it was as well. As I said on another thread if the board are keen on Pocc they could pay him to hold fire taking a job until the end of the season. If we are 8-10 points off top 4 for example then they can press the trigger on Ole. Personally I would be looking at the likes of Nagelsmann if we were hiring another 'modern' manager. Pocc has had about 10 years in the Prem and won feck all.
 

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If either/both of Klopp/Guardiola move on to pastures new, managing Manchester United suddenly becomes a supremely attractive position again. Poch would certainly come in that scenario
Liverpool and City would get much better managers than Poch.
United should do the same.
Don’t ask me who though. It’s a way off for all three clubs.
 

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Of course we can do a rebuild without him, the thing is though, hes doing a better job of it than LvG and Jose and those guys had way, way more impressive CV's than Ole.

So even though our league form so far has been pretty awful, what is happening behind the scenes is encouraging so i am very skeptical to getting someone new who might do a better rebuild job, but we dont really know.

Honestly, the only manager i would be confident in doing a great rebuild job is Klopp, and hes sadly as unavailable as it gets
Just wait a sec here... No he’s not. Mourinho was our best coach since Sir Alex. It’s not even a debate. We played the best and most productive football under him for 2 years, won 2 trophies and got to an FA Cup final. Finished second to a brilliant City side which was a very good showing for our squad.

He brought in Zlatan who has been our best player recently, Pogba our second best. I’m pretty sure a few managers could make us better let’s not pretend we are some kind of impossible job. We have just been mismanaged and the fans brainwashed.

Some things have been ‘maybe’ improved. We don’t have a clue at this junction though since we are so low down. If we finish in the same position we have failed full stop. Ole’s in-game management is still abysmal at times and he will be found out again even if I’m liking ‘some’ of the things he’s implemented recently.

If Ole and the club can help bring in some star players we’ll see how well we do. The club needs to spend soon since we are in a position to do so again. We are a massive club and our next step is to start acting like it and winning some trophies. Anything else is total failure with our budget.
 

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Just wait a sec here... No he’s not. Mourinho was our best coach since Sir Alex. It’s not even a debate. We played the best and most productive football under him for 2 years, won 2 trophies and got to an FA Cup final. Finished second to a brilliant City side which was a very good showing for our squad.

He brought in Zlatan who has been our best player recently, Pogba our second best. I’m pretty sure a few managers could make us better let’s not pretend we are some kind of impossible job. We have just been mismanaged and the fans brainwashed.

Some things have been ‘maybe’ improved. We don’t have a clue at this junction though since we are so low down. If we finish in the same position we have failed full stop. Ole’s in-game management is still abysmal at times and he will be found out again even if I’m liking ‘some’ of the things he’s implemented recently.

If Ole and the club can help bring in some star players we’ll see how well we do. The club needs to spend soon since we are in a position to do so again. We are a massive club and our next step is to start acting like it and winning some trophies. Anything else is total failure with our budget.
I did not say he was the best manager, i said he was the one who did the rebuild the best

I loved having Zlatan here, but he was 35 years old. Bringing him and Matic pretty much proves what Jose was trying to do and it was not rebuilding for the future. We have been plagued by short term thinking ever since Fergie retired and Ole seems to be the first one who is thinking ahead instead of right here and now
 

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I did not say he was the best manager, i said he was the one who did the rebuild the best

I loved having Zlatan here, but he was 35 years old. Bringing him and Matic pretty much proves what Jose was trying to do and it was not rebuilding for the future. We have been plagued by short term thinking ever since Fergie retired and Ole seems to be the first one who is thinking ahead instead of right here and now
Yes I see what u mean now. Matic was good for about 6 months that was a useless buy despite his early form.

I still don’t understand why Fabinho was not signed instead. Mou even brought him through at Real Madrid so you’d have thought he of all people would have rated him.

I really hope it works out for Ole but I assume his in-game tactics will eventually lose him the job. I’d like to be proved wrong though. Whatever happens the club is in a healthy state of affairs financially so in the future success is always possible.
 

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I do not think Poch is the man to take us forward. We need a better manager than him. Now Jose is at Spurs we can see the difference. I am sure Jose will win a trophy at Spurs.
Poch will take a job at a big club and win more trophies between now and when Jose retires than Jose will. Miles better manager in todays football.
 

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Things might change quite fast in football. Six months ago, everyone wanted Poch when he got Spurs to the CL final. Now, hmm..

I would say, IF we have to replace Solskjær this summer, we should go for Brendan Rodgers.
 

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Poch is a clear upgrade on Ole, but I've never warmed to the bloke on a personality level, and his attitude towards trophies doesn't really fit with the club. I honestly don't know how I'd feel if he took over, even though I'm certain it would be an improvement on what we have. Very conflicted.
 

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Dont bet in it. Poch would do fine winning half if what jose has won.
Nobody can take away what he’s done in the past but he’s not the same Jose that he was in his prime hence why u said from now until he retires.

Prime Jose can compete with the very best though I agree.
 

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Poch will take a job at a big club and win more trophies between now and when Jose retires than Jose will. Miles better manager in todays football.
So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
 

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So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
Never ceases to amaze me how fickle a football fan can be.
 

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So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
Not sure if sarcasm or a genuine change in tune we are witnessing from the resident spurs fans:drool:
 

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Not sure if sarcasm or a genuine change in tune we are witnessing from the resident spurs fans:drool:
What change in tune, I said Poch had lost the dressing room for months? I said we should keep him only if there wasn’t a better option. Again il miss Poch, I love the guy, but facts are facts.
 

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Sure, I’ll let you start.
I did, what else should I say? I wouldn’t, he is toxic, but he is here? What else can I do? I have even said, I didn’t like Jose when we appointed him, but he one of those characters, when he is yours his character takes you.
 

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When Jose was Utd manager:

United fans:
Jose is better than Poch because he has won more

Spurs fans:
Haha enjoy your mickey mouse cups while we have a modern progressive manager who won't sacrifice long term progress for short term gains

United fans:
Jose still won more with an inferior squad

Spurs fans:
Would rather watch our team produce great football, positive atmosphere and climb up the ladder without spending a lot. Onwards and upwards!

And when Jose is spurs manager:
So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
 

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FFS all we have had is injuries to important positions and yet, to you stat lovers, the only game we really should have lost is West Ham. To put that in perspective of all the games we've played, including the all conquering Liverpool, we 'should' have won all except West Ham while having a stupid injury list. Now that one of those players is back (Martial) we suddenly look good again. Ever stop to think that we have found a formation and that with Pogba at 10 and Shaw back we might look even better? The fact is that under Jose we lost a lot and deserved it but this season under Ole we have lost a lot and deserved only to lose one. Think I'm a liar? Then go watch all our games this season and tell me we deserved to lose to more than just West Ham. Again we've dealt with injuries that no one else has except Man City have and guess what suddenly they are "looking like a shadow of their former selves".
 

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Sure, I’ll let you start.
When Jose was Utd manager:

United fans:
Jose is better than Poch because he has won more

Spurs fans:
Haha enjoy your mickey mouse cups while we have a modern progressive manager who won't sacrifice long term progress for short term gains

United fans:
Jose still won more with an inferior squad

Spurs fans:
Would rather watch our team produce great football, positive atmosphere and climb up the ladder without spending a lot. Onwards and upwards!

And when Jose is spurs manager:
So you still feel the same?
Of course not, but it’s not fickle, Poch was done I’m not gonna kick off when we appoint him, it’s not gonna change anything if I did.
 

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Of course not, but it’s not fickle, Poch was done I’m not gonna kick off when we appoint him, it’s not gonna change anything if I did.
It’s the dictionary definition of fickle.

I’m not being horrible, it’s just football and I’m making a simple observation. I was totally against Moyes, then he was our manager and I got behind him for a while, until I wasn’t.
 

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It’s the dictionary definition of fickle.

I’m not being horrible, it’s just football and I’m making a simple observation. I was totally against Moyes, then he was our manager and I got behind him for a while, until I wasn’t.
Ok I said I wouldn’t want Jose, that’s true, but when you think that as a Spurs fan I probably never thought we could get him. When you said I was fickle I thought you meant about my ease of acceptance of Poch being removed. Not so much accepting Jose. So yeah I can see how I seem fickle about now accepting Jose when I said I didn’t like him, so yeah you are probably right in that aspect. Again though Poch had to go for me.

I know youn are not a horrible poster your probably the best poster on here.
 
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Ok I said I wouldn’t want Jose, that’s true, but when you think that as a Spurs fan I probably never thought we could get him. When you said I was fickle I thought you meant about my ease of acceptance of Poch being removed. Not so much accepting Jose. So yeah I can see how I seem fickle about now accepting Jose when I said I didn’t like him, so yeah you are probably right in that aspect. Again though Poch had to go for me.
Why not Levy? Hasn't he refused to spend properly?

Edit: isn't he more to blame than Poch (who I don't rate by the way).
 

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Ok I said I wouldn’t want Jose, that’s true, but when you think that as a Spurs fan I probably never thought we could get him. When you said I was fickle I thought you meant about my ease of acceptance of Poch being removed. Not so much accepting Jose. So yeah I can see how I seem fickle about now accepting Jose when I said I didn’t like him, so yeah you are probably right in that aspect. Again though Poch had to go for me.
There's nothing wrong with you changing your mind under different cirumstances. I wanted Jose before we got him now i'd never want him back. I'm not fickle.