LVG was brought in to bring his football ethics and start an original rebuild. We gave him a 3 year contract he only wanted two. I don’t believe it was ever a similar situation to Mourinho’s otherwise we wouldn’t have sacked him after winning an FA Cup. What exactly is Ole doing away from the field that’s so successful? I haven’t heard anything about new training methods, new dietitians, new Bielsa like monitoring of players. All things that we heard under LVG’s rebuild. All he’s done is get rid of players who were already one foot out and replaced them with no-one. I could have done that for half the price.
United’s next manager
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Listen to the latest United Hour episode here. In it, Nik and Colm have the joyous task of reliving two thumping wins against Brighton and Bournemouth as we hit top form at the perfect time of the season. There is a big focus on our unstoppable attacking trio but still some questions about the defence and why we are conceding weak goals.
He's passed LvG's win% as well.
Not that it has any bearing on our current situation, but I just know that someone is going to be wildly triggered reading that fact and get on here with some argument typed with clenched buttcheeks.
Passed his win % or creeping back down towards it. Considering he had one of the greatest starts of any football coach.
Spurs have never challenged for the league under Poch. Hell, they managed to come third in a two-horse race the season Leicester won the league.
They're still regarded as bottlers, just as they were before Poch.
United fans need to realise that he's not the Messiah, just a good (not brilliant) manager.
Spurs found 72pts in 2012-13 season, 69 in 2013-2014 season, finishing 5th and 6th respectively.
Poch's first full year ended up with a 5th place finish, but only 64 points. They've won exactly nothing in all his years there, and one could argue the reason for the successes they have had is to Harry Kane's benefit.
I'm sure he's a decent manager, but its not like he was an immediate success or filled up any trophy rooms. In, fact spurs collected more points every season 4 years in a row prior to his appointment (under Rednapp, Villas-Boas & Sherwood).
Poch's first full year ended up with a 5th place finish, but only 64 points. They've won exactly nothing in all his years there, and one could argue the reason for the successes they have had is to Harry Kane's benefit.
I'm sure he's a decent manager, but its not like he was an immediate success or filled up any trophy rooms. In, fact spurs collected more points every season 4 years in a row prior to his appointment (under Rednapp, Villas-Boas & Sherwood).
I do not think Poch is the man to take us forward. We need a better manager than him. Now Jose is at Spurs we can see the difference. I am sure Jose will win a trophy at Spurs.
If either/both of Klopp/Guardiola move on to pastures new, managing Manchester United suddenly becomes a supremely attractive position again. Poch would certainly come in that scenario
yes giv ehim 3 years knowing that we wont win nothing with him,!!
If Ole fails, what would you think about Magnus Haglund as manager?
Yeah and LvG failed pretty hard in that department if you ask me. I've said this before but he sold good players like Nani, Evans and Rafael for peanuts, and while he did have some good signings, notably Herrera and Martial, most of his transfers were shit. LvG sure brought some "new" training methods, but lets not pretend they were successful. Sure, he managed to implement them with very notable effects on the field, but the football it produced was pretty dire and the results were not great either
I have said this before, but transfers and squad building at this stage is incredibly important and this is where i feel Ole is doing a much better job than his predecessors. 3/3 signing have all walked into our first XI and improved us markedly and that with only a net spend of 90 million. Considering both LvG and Jose usually spent around 130-150 million net each year and had a lot of weird signings, Ole is looking quite good in comparison. If the next transfers windows are as good as this one, our squad will be in pretty good shape suddenly. And you can discredit him getting rid of deadwood all you want, still does not change the fact that hes the only one who has actually done it
Players are also happy and just this week Rashford said this to Sky: https://www.skysports.com/football/...solskjaer-no-one-better-for-manchester-united Players still publicly backing him despite our shit league form must mean he is doing something right and the players still have faith in him. Unless of course Ole is just selling them snake oil and they all are somehow suffering from Stockholm syndrome or something
Who do you think is the man to take us forward,personally I don't see Ole ever being at the level required to manage this club
It might be true, but I can't see anyone who would improve us at the moment. We are a club that needs changes higher than manager and his team. We need changes at the very top, if not personal, at least in the way we view football (which is going to be even harder to achieve).
Sacking Solskjaer won't help us at all right now. If we sack him, the new manager will get a good start and will give us new hope, but after a year or a few months, we'll be in the same position.
As much as I love Ole and I love him as our manager, I think that Mourinho (although he had really poor results) may have been sacked too early as our players aren't world class and it's not a manager's fault or a particular manager's faul. Bad management in overall since Fergie's retirement and thinking that sacking and hiring changes the team hasn't helped.
We need changes in the club (not team), but if they don't happen, there's no point in sacking Ole and paying him up.
Ole should see out the season and allowed to bring in at least 2 players in jan. That will be virtuallly half a team with the summer 3 and we can see if there is a marked improvement in the 2nd half of the season. There are signs (Bournemouth aside) that we are getting a run together with the football looking better than it was as well. As I said on another thread if the board are keen on Pocc they could pay him to hold fire taking a job until the end of the season. If we are 8-10 points off top 4 for example then they can press the trigger on Ole. Personally I would be looking at the likes of Nagelsmann if we were hiring another 'modern' manager. Pocc has had about 10 years in the Prem and won feck all.
Liverpool and City would get much better managers than Poch.
United should do the same.
Don’t ask me who though. It’s a way off for all three clubs.
Just wait a sec here... No he’s not. Mourinho was our best coach since Sir Alex. It’s not even a debate. We played the best and most productive football under him for 2 years, won 2 trophies and got to an FA Cup final. Finished second to a brilliant City side which was a very good showing for our squad.
He brought in Zlatan who has been our best player recently, Pogba our second best. I’m pretty sure a few managers could make us better let’s not pretend we are some kind of impossible job. We have just been mismanaged and the fans brainwashed.
Some things have been ‘maybe’ improved. We don’t have a clue at this junction though since we are so low down. If we finish in the same position we have failed full stop. Ole’s in-game management is still abysmal at times and he will be found out again even if I’m liking ‘some’ of the things he’s implemented recently.
If Ole and the club can help bring in some star players we’ll see how well we do. The club needs to spend soon since we are in a position to do so again. We are a massive club and our next step is to start acting like it and winning some trophies. Anything else is total failure with our budget.
I did not say he was the best manager, i said he was the one who did the rebuild the best
I loved having Zlatan here, but he was 35 years old. Bringing him and Matic pretty much proves what Jose was trying to do and it was not rebuilding for the future. We have been plagued by short term thinking ever since Fergie retired and Ole seems to be the first one who is thinking ahead instead of right here and now
Yes I see what u mean now. Matic was good for about 6 months that was a useless buy despite his early form.
I still don’t understand why Fabinho was not signed instead. Mou even brought him through at Real Madrid so you’d have thought he of all people would have rated him.
I really hope it works out for Ole but I assume his in-game tactics will eventually lose him the job. I’d like to be proved wrong though. Whatever happens the club is in a healthy state of affairs financially so in the future success is always possible.
Poch will take a job at a big club and win more trophies between now and when Jose retires than Jose will. Miles better manager in todays football.
Things might change quite fast in football. Six months ago, everyone wanted Poch when he got Spurs to the CL final. Now, hmm..
I would say, IF we have to replace Solskjær this summer, we should go for Brendan Rodgers.
I would say, IF we have to replace Solskjær this summer, we should go for Brendan Rodgers.
Dont bet in it. Poch would do fine winning half if what jose has won.
Poch is a clear upgrade on Ole, but I've never warmed to the bloke on a personality level, and his attitude towards trophies doesn't really fit with the club. I honestly don't know how I'd feel if he took over, even though I'm certain it would be an improvement on what we have. Very conflicted.
Nobody can take away what he’s done in the past but he’s not the same Jose that he was in his prime hence why u said from now until he retires.
Prime Jose can compete with the very best though I agree.
Poch, Tuchel or Naglesmann.
So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?
Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
Never ceases to amaze me how fickle a football fan can be.
Not sure if sarcasm or a genuine change in tune we are witnessing from the resident spurs fans
Fickle how? I love Poch, but his time was up. I see no fickleness from me. Happy to debate it, just tell me how anything I have said is wrong.
What change in tune, I said Poch had lost the dressing room for months? I said we should keep him only if there wasn’t a better option. Again il miss Poch, I love the guy, but facts are facts.Not sure if sarcasm or a genuine change in tune we are witnessing from the resident spurs fans
I did, what else should I say? I wouldn’t, he is toxic, but he is here? What else can I do? I have even said, I didn’t like Jose when we appointed him, but he one of those characters, when he is yours his character takes you.
When Jose was Utd manager:
United fans:
Jose is better than Poch because he has won more
Spurs fans:
Haha enjoy your mickey mouse cups while we have a modern progressive manager who won't sacrifice long term progress for short term gains
United fans:
Jose still won more with an inferior squad
Spurs fans:
Would rather watch our team produce great football, positive atmosphere and climb up the ladder without spending a lot. Onwards and upwards!
And when Jose is spurs manager:
United fans:
Jose is better than Poch because he has won more
Spurs fans:
Haha enjoy your mickey mouse cups while we have a modern progressive manager who won't sacrifice long term progress for short term gains
United fans:
Jose still won more with an inferior squad
Spurs fans:
Would rather watch our team produce great football, positive atmosphere and climb up the ladder without spending a lot. Onwards and upwards!
And when Jose is spurs manager:
So you still feel the same?
FFS all we have had is injuries to important positions and yet, to you stat lovers, the only game we really should have lost is West Ham. To put that in perspective of all the games we've played, including the all conquering Liverpool, we 'should' have won all except West Ham while having a stupid injury list. Now that one of those players is back (Martial) we suddenly look good again. Ever stop to think that we have found a formation and that with Pogba at 10 and Shaw back we might look even better? The fact is that under Jose we lost a lot and deserved it but this season under Ole we have lost a lot and deserved only to lose one. Think I'm a liar? Then go watch all our games this season and tell me we deserved to lose to more than just West Ham. Again we've dealt with injuries that no one else has except Man City have and guess what suddenly they are "looking like a shadow of their former selves".
Predictable as feck
Of course not, but it’s not fickle, Poch was done I’m not gonna kick off when we appoint him, it’s not gonna change anything if I did.
It’s the dictionary definition of fickle.
I’m not being horrible, it’s just football and I’m making a simple observation. I was totally against Moyes, then he was our manager and I got behind him for a while, until I wasn’t.
Ok I said I wouldn’t want Jose, that’s true, but when you think that as a Spurs fan I probably never thought we could get him. When you said I was fickle I thought you meant about my ease of acceptance of Poch being removed. Not so much accepting Jose. So yeah I can see how I seem fickle about now accepting Jose when I said I didn’t like him, so yeah you are probably right in that aspect. Again though Poch had to go for me.
I know youn are not a horrible poster your probably the best poster on here.
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Why not Levy? Hasn't he refused to spend properly?
Edit: isn't he more to blame than Poch (who I don't rate by the way).
There's nothing wrong with you changing your mind under different cirumstances. I wanted Jose before we got him now i'd never want him back. I'm not fickle.
Look I can see how people hate levy but I’ve been a Spurs fan pre levy so I know where we have come from. Poch was signed and agreed to the purse strings and I think we’re moving on now. It’s just bad timing with it all, Poch just clearly lost the players somehow, just ok at the performance today, Dele is a great example.