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Why not Levy? Hasn't he refused to spend properly?

Edit: isn't he more to blame than Poch (who I don't rate by the way).
Look I can see how people hate levy but I’ve been a Spurs fan pre levy so I know where we have come from. Poch was signed and agreed to the purse strings and I think we’re moving on now. It’s just bad timing with it all, Poch just clearly lost the players somehow, just ok at the performance today, Dele is a great example.
 

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There's nothing wrong with you changing your mind under different cirumstances. I wanted Jose before we got him now i'd never want him back. I'm not fickle.
True, Jose is enchanting, yes I realise a lot of what he says is bullshit, but it’s good bullshit.
 

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Let us all be super honest here: we are crazy if we are not going for Pochettino.

He has proved he can develop players and we have the youngest squad in the league with a handful of talents in academy.

Let him rest until the end of the season and let Ole run the show this season.

I think it will happen.
 

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Look I can see how people hate levy but I’ve been a Spurs fan pre levy so I know where we have come from. Poch was signed and agreed to the purse strings and I think we’re moving on now. It’s just bad timing with it all, Poch just clearly lost the players somehow, just ok at the performance today, Dele is a great example.
Will Levy agree to Mou's requests for huge spending considering you need to replace 2xCB, LB, RB GK, CM (maybe 2), AM. This is where the problem lies. Poch accepted his situation but Mou is going to expect the 6 players you need to make your squad challengers again (which is what Jose wants by the way, 2nd isn't a win for him). I foresee huge problems between Jose and Levy come this summer.
 
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Knowing us we’ll do another 180 and go for Simeone, just so that we can rip up the entire side again and start afresh.

Going from Ole and the idea of using the academy and improving players to Pochettino who has the same ideals is simply just too smart and non-United like.
 
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Will Levy agree to Mou's requests for huge spending considering you need to replace 2xCB, LB, RB GK, CM (maybe 2), AM. This is where the problem lies. Poch accepted his situation but Mou is going to expect the 6 players you need to make your squad challengers again (which is what Jose wants by the way, 2nd isn't a win for him). I foresee huge problems between Jose and Levy come this summer.
The side Mourinho put out today needs nothing like the sort of drastic rebuilding you suggest. The 6 in front of the back four are all there for the long run, they need money spending at the back and some tweaks.
 

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Will Levy agree to Mou's requests for huge spending considering you need to replace 2xCB, LB, RB GK, CM (maybe 2), AM. This is where the problem lies. Poch accepted his situation but Mou is going to expect the 6 players you need to make your squad challengers again (which is what Jose wants by the way, 2nd isn't a win for him). I foresee huge problems between Jose and Levy come this summer.
I don’t agree with what u think we need, a RB and a CB yes, maybe Bruno in midfield. I think it’s silly to think Levy and Jose hasn’t talked about transfer funds, we have been speaking to him since October. Trust me I know it could all go to shit, but the money Levy paid to get Jose make me feel good
 

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So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
Not sure what you mean better, but in the eyes of pretty much every football executive and at this very moment in time, yes, Poch's stocks are higher. Meaning, he has more chance to get a job at the top club than Jose (Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus...). Well, some bridges Jose burned himself.

That can easily change of course depending on how well Pochettino will handle a bigger job that will come his way. But, atm, yeah he is more in demand based on his work in Spurs.
 

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I don’t agree with what u think we need, a RB and a CB yes, maybe Bruno in midfield. I think it’s silly to think Levy and Jose hasn’t talked about transfer funds, we have been speaking to him since October. Trust me I know it could all go to shit, but the money Levy paid to get Jose make me feel good
Well then why wouldn't he give it to your best manager ever. Was Levy sabotaging Poch so? You honestly need to replace Lloris (old), Verthongen (old), Alderweirald (contract), Aurier (shite), Eriksen (contract) Rose (contract). Who do have to replace them when you have to consider that Winks, Alli, Moura, Lamela, Sisokko and Davies who aren't good enough to play for a title winning team. If Levy gave huge money to Jose would you not be pissed that he refused to give it to Poch? Any real reason that you believe he would suddenly fund such a big rebuild? Also surely Kane (who I don't doubt loves the club but has to want the trophies his stature deserves) and Son might think of leaving in the near future too.

Edit: not good enough to start but can be subs. Then you still need 7 starting players assuming you manage to hold onto Kane and Son.
 

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Not sure what you mean better, but in the eyes of pretty much every football executive and at this very moment in time, yes, Poch's stocks are higher. Meaning, he has more chance to get a job at the top club than Jose (Bayern, Madrid, Barcelona, Juventus...). Well, some bridges Jose burned himself.

That can easily change of course depending on how well Pochettino will handle a bigger job that will come his way. But, atm, yeah he is more in demand based on his work in Spurs.
Time will tel.
 

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The side Mourinho put out today needs nothing like the sort of drastic rebuilding you suggest. The 6 in front of the back four are all there for the long run, they need money spending at the back and some tweaks.
Are Kane and Son really there for the long run? Can they really accept another 3 years of 'low' wages while Jose rebuilds a back 4 and GK and they understand that their talents would be valued any top club. Lose Kane or Son (the most likely) then they are screwed. One question do you think Spurs win the league in the next 3 years? It could happen but the likelihood is no and Kane will only have so much loyalty before leaving to a club who suit his ability. Can you really imagine the best striker in the world (which for me he is) staying at a club that doesn't challenge?
 

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Are Kane and Son really there for the long run? Can they really accept another 3 years of 'low' wages while Jose rebuilds a back 4 and GK and they understand that their talents would be valued any top club. Lose Kane or Son (the most likely) then they are screwed. One question do you think Spurs win the league in the next 3 years? It could happen but the likelihood is no and Kane will only have so much loyalty before leaving to a club who suit his ability. Can you really imagine the best striker in the world (which for me he is) staying at a club that doesn't challenge?
Kane is on 250k a week or something like that...
 

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So Poch is a better manager in today’s football, yet Jose has won more in today’s football and finished higher in the league with an inferior first team?

Not to mention Poch will have to sacrifice his pay off to join this season.
Jose spent about 400m at United in his 2 and a half years here. Pretty sure if Poch had £400m and played in the Europa League he’d have a good chance of winning a trophy.

Poch’s job at Spurs is much more impressive than Jose taking United to a Europa and Carabao Cup win. The season we finished second the title race was over in December we was about 20 points off the top, second or fourth meant absolutely nothing.

When Jose left United many was saying he’s done, I half expected him to do 12 months in China his reputation was rock bottom. Even 6 months ago imagine wanting Mourinho over Poch.....feels like I’m in a parallel dimension where Jose stint at United and Chelsea didn’t exist. Weird.
 
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Jose spent about 400m at United in his 2 and a half years here. Pretty sure if Poch had £400m and played in the Europa League he’d have a good chance of winning a trophy.

Poch’s job at Spurs is much more impressive than Jose taking United to a Europa and Carabao Cup win. The season we finished second the title race was over in December we was about 20 points off the top, second or fourth meant absolutely nothing.

When Jose left United many was saying he’s done, I half expected him to do 12 months in China his reputation was rock bottom. Even 6 months ago imagine wanting Mourinho over Poch.....feels like I’m in a parallel dimension where Jose stint at United and Chelsea didn’t exist. Weird.
Why is everything about money? Did Poch have a good enough squad to win something, the answer is quite clearly yes. He got to 3 semi finals and a final and everytime cane up short. I loved the guy but he clearly has something left to learn if he is to win and win regularly.

I have my reservations about Jose of course but even in Uniteds worse PL spell ever he won more than us in outback best spell ever. Even at his worst spell as Chelsea boss he won the league.
 

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Why is everything about money? Did Poch have a good enough squad to win something, the answer is quite clearly yes. He got to 3 semi finals and a final and everytime cane up short. I loved the guy but he clearly has something left to learn if he is to win and win regularly.

I have my reservations about Jose of course but even in Uniteds worse PL spell ever he won more than us in outback best spell ever. Even at his worst spell as Chelsea boss he won the league.
Agree with you about the money issue.
People get fixated on how much money a manager spends or does not spend.
As if that is solely down to the manager which is certainly not the case.
Clubs decide to spend in the transfer market for many reasons, some of which are commercial.
The only thing that is important is the results.
Good luck to Jose and good luck to Tottenham.
I am only interested in Manchester United being successful and we have a long way to go to get back to winning the top honours.
 

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Why is everything about money? Did Poch have a good enough squad to win something, the answer is quite clearly yes. He got to 3 semi finals and a final and everytime cane up short. I loved the guy but he clearly has something left to learn if he is to win and win regularly.

I have my reservations about Jose of course but even in Uniteds worse PL spell ever he won more than us in outback best spell ever. Even at his worst spell as Chelsea boss he won the league.
You‘re squad was good enough because he brought the best out of the players.You had no right challenging for the title, getting to any cup final let alone the CL. Money is absolutely one of the top factors in football and when you’re up against City, United, Chelsea etc you’re obviously at a disadvantage.

Jose might win you a league cup or FA cup but will probably put you back 2 years in doing so after he fecks off with the squad in disarray like he’s done throughout his entire career.

Spurs are over achieving and a fecking FA Cup won’t change anything in the grand scheme of things.
 

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When Jose was Utd manager:

United fans:
Jose is better than Poch because he has won more

Spurs fans:
Haha enjoy your mickey mouse cups while we have a modern progressive manager who won't sacrifice long term progress for short term gains

United fans:
Jose still won more with an inferior squad

Spurs fans:
Would rather watch our team produce great football, positive atmosphere and climb up the ladder without spending a lot. Onwards and upwards!

And when Jose is spurs manager:
Exactly and it's hilarious to read. From the worst human to every exist to best ever (ok there is slight exaggeration)
 

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I get the impression that most people are put off Pochettino because he hasn't got over the line yet as a manager. I still feel that the positives outweigh the negatives with him though.

You could make the same argument for someone like Nagelsmann too about the fact he is yet to win something.

The guy that most fits the bill of a winner and also plays attacking football would be Ancelotti,however doesn't seem any interest in him at all.
 

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Why are we so hell bent on Pochettino who hasn't won any trophies. He isn't a winner. Even when we were playing shit with Jose and LVG we still won cups because they are winners. I feel Pochettino can only get us as far as consistently getting top 4. But if we're truly looking at going back to the old days of constantly winning the league and cups then we need a coach that is a winner. That's a very important criteria if we're looking to return back to our old ways.

This time though we have to appoint with sense. LVG and Mourinho were proven winners but they couldn't get us close to the title. And to me that's because there are certain criterias we should also be looking for in a manager not just a manager's achievements. We have to be looking at whether the manager can carry out a rebuild, whether the manager can work with youth, whether the manager plays attractive attacking football. Combine this criterias with being a winner. To me a Manger that ticks all these boxes is the only manager I would say is deserving of time even when our results are poor.

We could appoint Graham Potter because he has Brighton playing good football but he will never win us the title because he doesn't know what it's like to be at the top especially in a big club/league. We can appoint Allegri because of his achievements but we still wouldn't win the title unless we sell 90% of our players who are youth. LVG worked with youth and was planning a rebuild but fans wanted him out because our football was dreadful to watch.

A winner, can work with youth, can carry out a rebuild and play attacking football. That should be the criteria for our next appointment. So far the only people I can think of that match this criteria is our own Ferguson before he came to us and Klopp. My knowledge about coaches isn't vast though so I'd like to hear suggestions of other coaches that match this criteria
 

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Well then why wouldn't he give it to your best manager ever. Was Levy sabotaging Poch so? You honestly need to replace Lloris (old), Verthongen (old), Alderweirald (contract), Aurier (shite), Eriksen (contract) Rose (contract). Who do have to replace them when you have to consider that Winks, Alli, Moura, Lamela, Sisokko and Davies who aren't good enough to play for a title winning team. If Levy gave huge money to Jose would you not be pissed that he refused to give it to Poch? Any real reason that you believe he would suddenly fund such a big rebuild? Also surely Kane (who I don't doubt loves the club but has to want the trophies his stature deserves) and Son might think of leaving in the near future too.

Edit: not good enough to start but can be subs. Then you still need 7 starting players assuming you manage to hold onto Kane and Son.
Wow

poch must be good getting to CL final with that rotten shit team.
 

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Jose spent about 400m at United in his 2 and a half years here. Pretty sure if Poch had £400m and played in the Europa League he’d have a good chance of winning a trophy.

Poch’s job at Spurs is much more impressive than Jose taking United to a Europa and Carabao Cup win. The season we finished second the title race was over in December we was about 20 points off the top, second or fourth meant absolutely nothing.

When Jose left United many was saying he’s done, I half expected him to do 12 months in China his reputation was rock bottom. Even 6 months ago imagine wanting Mourinho over Poch.....feels like I’m in a parallel dimension where Jose stint at United and Chelsea didn’t exist. Weird.
This is United's fans malarkey

A coach who managed to get Europa and 2nd is labelled as done and expected to coach in China.
 

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Poch, Rose, Nagelsmann anyone of them would be very good addition, before that appointing DoF to drive the recruitment and hiring head coaches.
 

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Should only be Poch to be honest. But, as we've been crying for years now, we need a director of football and the intention to spend.

Liverpool and City are doing well because they have managers that have implemented a system, and have been backed.

No manager can "save" us, the club has to decide it wants to compete, and we will be there of thereabouts in a couple of years.
 

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DOF first then look at appointing Rose, Nagelsmann or Rodgers and back them by bringing five new players. It's pointless bringing a manager and adopting his long term vision when results down the line could force the club to sack so let the long term vision be held by the DOF and let him hire managers/coaches who will implement that.

Anything else is just going round in circles because recruitment is our Achilles Heel so it's pointless to repeat the same mistakes we have made over six years. I think at the moment our best course of action is to sack Ole and bring in Rangnick as DOF/Interim Manager who will scout and tap up our next manager.
 

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Get Rangnick as a DOF and Rose as a coach.
Yep, this would be a very sensible course of action — pair an astute Director of Football with a Head Coach he gets along with wrt. ideology and interpretation of football (on the basis of their Red Bull careers) so there are minimal fireworks or power-struggles. Overmars and Ten Hag could be an alternative to Rangnick and Rose/Nagelsmann, for similar reasons — individually competent, and also get along with each other (in fact Overmars has appointed Ten Hag as Head Coach twice: at Go Ahead Eagles, and Ajax).
 

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Think Poch will be in charge sooner rather than later. I thought for months Ole would lose his job before christmas, lately I thought we might be able to win the odd game for him to save himself and we'd drag along till May, but I think this month will be a blood bath and they'll have no choice.
 

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Just please get Allegri, stop fecking around with losers like Ole and Poch.
 

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I know that most are set for Poch, but how everyone feels about Brendan Rodgers ?

Yes, he's not the most likeable figure and he managed Liverpool, but the way Leicester have been playing lately and the way he bounced back from his Liverpool sacking has been really impressive.

He also had Swansea playing very effective and entertaining football before his early success with Pool.

All in all he's a very good manager and has the ability to improve players - something we're clearly lacking for years now.
 

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Even though I some reservations about him I still think Pochettino is the best pick of the available managers out there. I wouldn't want Allegri at the club and though the likes of Rose/Nagelsmann are popular choices and promising young managers, a job of this magnitude might be too much for them at this stage of their careers.
 

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People arguing that Poch haven't won anything is crazy. Poch has been punching above the weight for several years with minimal spending which no manager able to do it in Premier League history.

Any of Poch, Rose and Nagelsmann is a massive upgrade to clueless Ole.
 

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Even though I some reservations about him I still think Pochettino is the best pick of the available managers out there. I wouldn't want Allegri at the club and though the likes of Rose/Nagelsmann are popular choices and promising young managers, a job of this magnitude might be too much for them at this stage of their careers.
Disagree on Nagelsmann at least. He looks to have the full package. Still very young but his work at Hoffenheim was very impressive, especially that early in his career.

He has build himself as one of the best young managers and this year so far the expectations he has set himself was very high, considering how competitive the BL is. Of course the demise of Bayern takes some part, but his team plays very entertaining football, bounced back from a bad run in October and is doing well on three fronts.

He also has a clear plan on the pitch and also plan B when things doesn't work out. All in all he's a quality young manager with bright future, however I'm not sure he's available at the time.