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It will be Poch. Just a matter of when. While appointing managers, our decision makers take extremely obvious decisions (except Ole) and the overall thought process isn't too detailed or structured (including Ole). This is a case similar to when Jose was available.
 

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Whoever comes in now, which I think is inevitable, then they need to bring some world class/top level coaches with them.
Phelan needs shipping out - don't see what he brings, I really don't. Complete failure in management tells us all we need to know. Carrick and McKenna - no top flight experience at all. In fact, since they became first team coaches under Jose I'm pretty sure that's when our downturn in both football quality and results can be traced back to. We have a coaching team that don't know how to coach a winning team. What Phelan achieved under SAF is so long ago, and given SAF's presence, is it relevant?
The quick fix to all of this, IMHO, is for Woody to tell Ole to find a top level coaching team and get rid of the above. Give Ole the real coaching tools he needs and see if that works. Cant be any worse.
 

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Disagree on Nagelsmann at least. He looks to have the full package. Still very young but his work at Hoffenheim was very impressive, especially that early in his career.

He has build himself as one of the best young managers and this year so far the expectations he has set himself was very high, considering how competitive the BL is. Of course the demise of Bayern takes some part, but his team plays very entertaining football, bounced back from a bad run in October and is doing well on three fronts.

He also has a clear plan on the pitch and also plan B when things doesn't work out. All in all he's a quality young manager with bright future, however I'm not sure he's available at the time.
I am an admirer of Nagelsmann and I agree with pretty much everything in youir post. That said, he is still very young and has only been a manager for 4 years now. What he has done in that time is impressive but that does not mean he is ready for a huge job like ours, the pressure, the expectations, and all the other things that come with managing such a club might be a lot for someone with his level of experience. I rate him but I still think Poch's knowledge of the league and his greater manegerial experience gives him an edge for me. Furthermore, Poch already has experience being at a reasonably big club so moving on to a very big club feels like a more natural progression than making the big step up from Hoffenheim/Leipzig to United.
 

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I am an admirer of Nagelsmann and I agree with pretty much everything in youir post. That said, he is still very young and has only been a manager for 4 years now. What he has done in that time is impressive but that does not mean he is ready for a huge job like ours, the pressure, the expectations, and all the other things that come with managing such a club might be a lot for someone with his level of experience. I rate him but I still think Poch's knowledge of the league and his greater manegerial experience gives him an edge for me. Furthermore, Poch already has experience being at a reasonably big club so moving on to a very big club feels like a more natural progression than making the big step up from Hoffenheim/Leipzig to United.
Yeah, agree on that account of course. Either way I can't see him leaving the current project just yet. It's a good place to be at the current stage of his career. Maybe Rose will be more attainable in the Summer.

Rodgers and Poch seems to be the best options we have now and after that Allegri.
 

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Rodgers and Poch seems to be the best options we have now and after that Allegri.
One issue with Pochettino, is that his appointment would delay a much needed rethink of the administrative department. Practically none of the elite Champions League teams operate without a Director of Football or Sporting Director or Technical Director of some sort these days, yet United have been reluctant to employ one for who knows what reason — and once he consolidated enough power at Tottenham, Pochettino vetoed the appointment of a buffer between him and the higher ups (you can bet your bottom dollar that the same will happen at United)...
Mauricio Pochettino has vetoed Tottenham Hotspurs’ proposal to appoint a new sporting director with the manager eager to retain a significant influence over transfers. The club are understood to have assembled a shortlist of potential candidates to replace the former head of recruitment, Paul Mitchell, but have abandoned the process after talks between Pochettino and Daniel Levy, the chairman. Many of Mitchell’s functions have been taken by the chief scout Steve Hitchen, who reports to the club’s football committee of Pochettino, Levy and the academy manager John McDermott.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/12/19/daniel-levy-will-tell-mauricio-pochettino-would-not-get-level/

While he is a good coach, Pochettino wants to be an old school manager and exercise overwhelming influence, even though he doesn't have the most proven record in the transfer market — and that could be an explosive combination with our post-Fergie dealings in an effort to rebuild the squad. We'll essentially be putting all our eggs in the basket of one man while hoping and praying that he works his magic, for the umpteenth time — instead of engineering interwoven but distinct segments to delineate the myriad responsibilities, like we should.

For what its worth, Pochettino could hit the ground running and prove to be a massive success over time — so all of this might be needless fretting, but I'd be much more at ease with the combination of a high-caliber DoF to define our football model (like Rangnick or Overmars) + a Head Coach to train that model (like Nagelsmann/Rose or Ten Hag). A bit less proven than Pochettino maybe, and totally unproven in the English league — but that would give us a more sustainable long-term blueprint where once the structures are in place, you can basically replace head-coaches (which is a reality in post-modern football) without creating needless turmoil, which is how most big clubs operate and plan these days. Even though I like Pochettino, you get a sense that we need to cast a wide net to enact fundamental reform and indulge in some outside-the-box thinking, instead of just homing in on the convenient and seemingly obvious choice. All IMO, of course.
 

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Rodgers and Poch seems to be the best options we have now and after that Allegri.
One issue with Pochettino, is that his appointment would delay a much needed rethink of the administrative department. Practically none of the elite Champions League teams operate without a Director of Football or Sporting Director or Technical Director of some sort these days, yet United have been reluctant to employ one for who knows what reason — and once he consolidated enough power at Tottenham, Pochettino vetoed the appointment of a buffer between him and the higher ups (you can bet your bottom dollar that the same will happen at United)...
Mauricio Pochettino has vetoed Tottenham Hotspurs’ proposal to appoint a new sporting director with the manager eager to retain a significant influence over transfers. The club are understood to have assembled a shortlist of potential candidates to replace the former head of recruitment, Paul Mitchell, but have abandoned the process after talks between Pochettino and Daniel Levy, the chairman. Many of Mitchell’s functions have been taken by the chief scout Steve Hitchen, who reports to the club’s football committee of Pochettino, Levy and the academy manager John McDermott.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/12/19/daniel-levy-will-tell-mauricio-pochettino-would-not-get-level/

While he is a good coach, Pochettino wants to be an old school manager and exercise overwhelming influence, even though he doesn't have the most proven record in the transfer market — and that could be an explosive combination with our post-Fergie dealings in an effort to rebuild the squad. We'll essentially be putting all our eggs in the basket of one man while hoping and praying that he works his magic, for the umpteenth time — instead of engineering interwoven but distinct segments to delineate the myriad responsibilities, like we should.

For what its worth, Pochettino could hit the ground running and prove to be a massive success over time — so all of this might be needless fretting, but I'd be much more at ease with the combination of a high-caliber DoF to define our football model (like Rangnick or Overmars) + a Head Coach to train that model (like Nagelsmann/Rose or Ten Hag). A bit less proven than Pochettino maybe, and totally unproven in the English league — but that would give us a more sustainable long-term blueprint where once the structures are in place, you can basically replace head-coaches (which is a reality in post-modern football) without creating needless turmoil, which is how most big clubs operate and plan these days. Even though I like Pochettino, you get a sense that we need to cast a wide net to enact fundamental reform and indulge in some outside-the-box thinking, instead of just homing in on the convenient and seemingly obvious choice. All IMO, of course.
I think problem is Woodward is reluctant to hire DoF or someone who can do that role with different title. If we go by his UWS interview, he is absolutely convinced the model we have is working and they have no intention to change it. If that's the case then Poch might be our best bet.
 

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I think problem is Woodward is reluctant to hire DoF or someone who can do that role with different title. If we go by his UWS interview, he is absolutely convinced the model we have is working and they have no intention to change it. If that's the case then Poch might be our best bet.
Yeah, you're right — sometimes my brain wanders while thinking of theoretical solutions and I fail to consider that even though we need a thorough and radical reform, expecting it under current ownership or with Woodward as the CEO is not very realistic. From that perspective, Pochettino as head coach manager might actually be the best bet. :)
 

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Yeah, you're right — sometimes my brain wanders while thinking of theoretical solutions and I fail to consider that even though we need a thorough and radical reform, expecting it under current ownership or with Woodward as the CEO is not very realistic. From that perspective, Pochettino as head coach manager might actually be the best bet. :)
For most people (including me) when we all dream about Ralf Rangnick taking over as DoF or head of football operations with him appointing coach who is young and plays modern attacking game. That's the dream scenario.
 

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One issue with Pochettino, is that his appointment would delay a much needed rethink of the administrative department. Practically none of the elite Champions League teams operate without a Director of Football or Sporting Director or Technical Director of some sort these days, yet United have been reluctant to employ one for who knows what reason — and once he consolidated enough power at Tottenham, Pochettino vetoed the appointment of a buffer between him and the higher ups (you can bet your bottom dollar that the same will happen at United)...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2018/12/19/daniel-levy-will-tell-mauricio-pochettino-would-not-get-level/

While he is a good coach, Pochettino wants to be an old school manager and exercise overwhelming influence, even though he doesn't have the most proven record in the transfer market — and that could be an explosive combination with our post-Fergie dealings in an effort to rebuild the squad. We'll essentially be putting all our eggs in the basket of one man while hoping and praying that he works his magic, for the umpteenth time — instead of engineering interwoven but distinct segments to delineate the myriad responsibilities, like we should.

For what its worth, Pochettino could hit the ground running and prove to be a massive success over time — so all of this might be needless fretting, but I'd be much more at ease with the combination of a high-caliber DoF to define our football model (like Rangnick or Overmars) + a Head Coach to train that model (like Nagelsmann/Rose or Ten Hag). A bit less proven than Pochettino maybe, and totally unproven in the English league — but that would give us a more sustainable long-term blueprint where once the structures are in place, you can basically replace head-coaches (which is a reality in post-modern football) without creating needless turmoil, which is how most big clubs operate and plan these days. Even though I like Pochettino, you get a sense that we need to cast a wide net to enact fundamental reform and indulge in some outside-the-box thinking, instead of just homing in on the convenient and seemingly obvious choice. All IMO, of course.
We might have had different views on Ole, but what @roonster09 said and yours model is spot on and my model as well. A seasoned DoF and a young up and coming continental manager with fresh approach is what we need.

Apart from that, when you say that Poch doesn't have a proven record on the market, that's not really big downside as our approach on the market was all over the place since Fergie left and really can't be worse.

Probably can't see Poch being the one to bring us titles in the long run(have some reservations), but if he manages to do what he did at Spurs - solid top 4 and a CL final, or other final here and there for the next 3-4 years I'd take that tbh.
 

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I don't want Poch, but I'd pay good money to get him in today just to make the next match a tasty affair.
 

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Rogers over Poch. Rogers creates a style of play and get's his teams playing exciting taking football in very little time.
 

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Whoever comes in now, which I think is inevitable, then they need to bring some world class/top level coaches with them.
Phelan needs shipping out - don't see what he brings, I really don't. Complete failure in management tells us all we need to know. Carrick and McKenna - no top flight experience at all. In fact, since they became first team coaches under Jose I'm pretty sure that's when our downturn in both football quality and results can be traced back to. We have a coaching team that don't know how to coach a winning team. What Phelan achieved under SAF is so long ago, and given SAF's presence, is it relevant?
The quick fix to all of this, IMHO, is for Woody to tell Ole to find a top level coaching team and get rid of the above. Give Ole the real coaching tools he needs and see if that works. Cant be any worse.
My sentient almost to the word, just want to add that even under Ferguson, when Phelan was his number 2, we were playing some of the worst football on display and were being at times outplayed by "smaller" clubs, to the point it felt like we were playing peak Barcelona.
 

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I think problem is Woodward is reluctant to hire DoF or someone who can do that role with different title. If we go by his UWS interview, he is absolutely convinced the model we have is working and they have no intention to change it. If that's the case then Poch might be our best bet.
Why do you say Pochettino will be our best bet without a DOF
 

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Why do you say Pochettino will be our best bet without a DOF
Out of the manager mentioned in that post who are pure coaches and have DoFs who does all the recruitment work.

Apart from all that, Poch's work at Spurs makes him one of if not the best bet.
 

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Pochettino is a more competent and proven version of what the board is expecting Ole to be. He might not win any trophies here but he'll develop those relationships with players, nurture them and get 100% out of the resources given to him.
 

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It will be Poch. I have no doubts.

He's worked wonders with mid table sides.
 

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Out of the manager mentioned in that post who are pure coaches and have DoFs who does all the recruitment work.

Apart from all that, Poch's work at Spurs makes him one of if not the best bet.
Spurs don't have a DoF?
 

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I think problem is Woodward is reluctant to hire DoF or someone who can do that role with different title. If we go by his UWS interview, he is absolutely convinced the model we have is working and they have no intention to change it. If that's the case then Poch might be our best bet.
Weren't we interested in bringing in a DOF before Ole was appointed permanent manager? If the club had half a brain they should go back and revise that plan because what's happening at the minute obviously isn't working.
 

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Weren't we interested in bringing in a DOF before Ole was appointed permanent manager? If the club had half a brain they should go back and revise that plan because what's happening at the minute obviously isn't working.
That's the problem isn't it.
 

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I don't want Poch, but I'd pay good money to get him in today just to make the next match a tasty affair.
Poch’s United Vs Mourinho’s Spurs would be brilliant to see at some point
 

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The way the club has been ran so far makes it look like any manager that comes here is destined to fail. I wouldn't feel this way if we had a DOF with a vision for the club and a plan. The plan before appointing Ole as permanent manager was to get a DOF and then a coach while Ole stays as interim to just steadies the ship.

I mean I'm sure it's not too late to go back to that plan. I feel we have a golden opportunity if Ralf Ragnick wants to come here. He can come and serve as an interim manager till the end of the season and then appoint one of his disciples Nagelsmann or Marco Rose to coach us during our rebuild while he moves to the role of DOF. This would even give Ragnick an advantage because after coaching the squad for a while he would have had a very clear insight on what exactly we need and would try to provide that as DOF.

The only way this scenario is likely to happen is if Pochettino wants to rest for the season. If he doesn't then I'm sure the club will go for the dumb and obvious choice of hiring Poch and no DOF. Ralf Ragnick also accepting to come could be another obstacle but would Woodward even want to give up some of his power by appointing a DOF
 

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Poch no,no,no why the Poch hysteria, he is just sacked from Tottenham. It must be for a reason. And the reason is probably that he is not a winner.

I would rather go for Joakim Løw as a first choice even Manuel Pelligrini is better one he won 3 trophys with City .

I know they are both unavailable now but money talks!

I am afraid If united go for Poch the will be even more trouble.
 

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People arguing that Poch haven't won anything is crazy. Poch has been punching above the weight for several years with minimal spending which no manager able to do it in Premier League history.

Any of Poch, Rose and Nagelsmann is a massive upgrade to clueless Ole.
Stop it please.

1. He spent over 400m in his 5 years there. Not exactly chump change.
2. Since Poch came to Spurs, the 3 England trophies have been won by some combination of City, Arsenal, United, Leicester or Chelsea. City aside, you can't possibly tell me we, Arsenal and Leicester have had better teams or managers in that span.
 

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This is United's fans malarkey

A coach who managed to get Europa and 2nd is labelled as done and expected to coach in China.
Wasn’t just that though was it. His stint at Chelsea ended in a similar way, in fact he’s not been the same since the Madrid job.

Early doors at Spurs. The shit storm is coming, like it always does.
 

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If Ole goes (and I'm really not sure he will be any time soon) then I don't see how we could appoint anyone other than Rodgers.

Not only has Leicester shown he can 'do it without Suarez' but also that you don't need 5 years to build an excellent team.

I think he'd relish the opportunity of knocking his old team off their perch...
 

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If Ole goes (and I'm really not sure he will be any time soon) then I don't see how we could appoint anyone other than Rodgers.

Not only has Leicester shown he can 'do it without Suarez' but also that you don't need 5 years to build an excellent team.

I think he'd relish the opportunity of knocking his old team off their perch...
We had a legendary manager from the past with even stronger links to Liverpool.
 

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Even though I some reservations about him I still think Pochettino is the best pick of the available managers out there. I wouldn't want Allegri at the club and though the likes of Rose/Nagelsmann are popular choices and promising young managers, a job of this magnitude might be too much for them at this stage of their careers.
Yeah I would definitely like to see either of these guys manage Utd one day but agree that Pochettino is the guy who needs to take over from Ole whether that be now or in the summer. Hate to say it but think the idea of a DOF appointing the next manager is sadly a pipe dream even though it's what should be happening.
 

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United should get Wenger as caretaker. He's not in big demand, and not an upcoming manager so it's possible he accepts a caretaker role where as if you get someone right now, you have a limited pool of managers to choose from and they will want to be permanent. Having a caretaker like Wenger will allow United to have better evidence to make the decision with

Ten Hag - Will be more willing to go to United after getting another go with the current Ajax, who might lose players in the summer.
Marco Rose - Get a full season's worth of evidence in how he fares in the Bundesliga
Rodgers - Better chance he leaves then, than of course now. Better evidence as it's a full season's worth of performances at Leicester.
Poch - currently in the running
Allegri - currently in the running
Nagelsman - More evidence in how he fares in the Bundesliga with RB, though he's harder to pry away from his current job
 

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With Zidane firmly in place in Madrid, we have a tough competitor less in the run for Poch. It has to be him, doesn't it? Personally I'd prefer to gamble all out for Nagelsmann, but Woodie is too cautious and conservative for that to happen. Allegri is a good solid manager, but not the man to bring about the revolution we need here to challenge for trophies again.
 

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I dont want Rodgers because he is a bellend. Who the feck has a painting of themselves hanging in the house? Unless you are 17th century royalty, that is utterly unacceptable
Plenty of players and managers are bellends including plenty of United legends.

If he comes in and does something akin to what he's doing at Leicester, and especially if he ultimately topples Liverpool, then I'm happy that he commissions all the paintings of himself that he wants.
 

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Ornstein reposted the tweet so I'd tend to buy into more than the standard MEN rumor
 

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United should get Wenger as caretaker. He's not in big demand, and not an upcoming manager so it's possible he accepts a caretaker role where as if you get someone right now, you have a limited pool of managers to choose from and they will want to be permanent. Having a caretaker like Wenger will allow United to have better evidence to make the decision with
He was appoointed last month as FIFAs Chief of Global Football Development. I think his manager days (caretaker or otherwise) are behind him.
 

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Stop it please.

1. He spent over 400m in his 5 years there. Not exactly chump change.
2. Since Poch came to Spurs, the 3 England trophies have been won by some combination of City, Arsenal, United, Leicester or Chelsea. City aside, you can't possibly tell me we, Arsenal and Leicester have had better teams or managers in that span.

How about net spend? How about 3 windows signing no one? How about low wages compared to the big clubs? How about big players leaving?

One of the reason why Poch didn't win any trophy was because Spurs didn't take FA and Carling Cup seriously. They concentrate on CL and EPL top four.