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Last Man Standing finalist 2021/22
I’m Ole in but until we win something, it’s all a bit academic. Trophies are what matters, and as good a job as he’s done so far, that’s what he will be judged on when he leaves.
We’re quite clearly a better team than at least some of the teams that progressed further than us. Which happens in cup competitions all the time.I don't need to rate Chelsea, we were in the competition and failed. It's the proof that we weren't good enough this season.
If you're ole in at the moment, which i am, all you can do is wait and see how next season goes. I think there's a clear upward trajectory and that we're a couple of signings from being able to compete. Had we not collapsed v leipzig we'd have faced Liverpool then a really poor Madrid before a semi opponent in Chelsea.
We're not that far away but i understand why people might feel that seeing city and Chelsea in the final
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We wouldn't have though as two teams from thr same country can't play each other in the first knock out round. Irrelevant anyway, its all "ifs and buts".
But that's irrelevant, in cups there are no ifs or buts, you do it or you don't.We’re quite clearly a better team than at least some of the teams that progressed further than us. Which happens in cup competitions all the time.
Yes. But that’s not the point you responded to. Which was an observation that - despite crashing out early - there’s not much between United and this season’s top CL teams in terms of quality.But that's irrelevant, in cups there are no ifs or buts, you do it or you don't.
He asked for a subjective opinion and I shared mine. I don't really see what you are looking for.Yes. But that’s not the point you responded to. Which was an observation that - despite crashing out early - there’s not much between United and this season’s top CL teams in terms of quality.
I honestly don’t know how well we’d have done in the knock-out stages but we do have a good record against this season’s finalists. And I don’t think an off night in Istanbul changes that.
Your subjective opinion that we’re worse than those teams seemed to be based on our failure to progress as far as them in the competition. I was pointing out the flaw in your logic.He asked for a subjective opinion and I shared mine. I don't really see what you are looking for.
I didn't say that we were worse and it wasn't the question. He asked whether anyone else thought that we could be up there challenging for the CL? And my answer is no, because we were in the competition and didn't.Your subjective opinion that we’re worse than those teams seemed to be based on our failure to progress as far as them in the competition. I was pointing out the flaw in your logic.
I’ll assume something got lost in translation! I don’t think he was hoping for a literal answer as to how likely we are to win the CL this season.I didn't say that we were worse and it wasn't the question. He asked whether anyone else thought that we could be up there challenging for the CL? And my answer is no, because we were in the competition and didn't.
I think we could have made CL Quarters and maybe Semi depending on the draw.Does anyone else has the feeling we could be up there challenging in the UCL?
I don't know if it's just me but I don't rate the current clubs level as anything special. I think this year champion will be the less impressive side in a long long time.
You don't think if Utd didn't shat the bed in Istanbul that the team could have gone all the way to the final?I didn't say that we were worse and it wasn't the question. He asked whether anyone else thought that we could be up there challenging for the CL? And my answer is no, because we were in the competition and didn't.
It is a cup, bad days happen.But that's irrelevant, in cups there are no ifs or buts, you do it or you don't.
I think that United shat the bed in Istanbul and therefore it's easy to imagine the club doing it against other opponents in the CL.You don't think if Utd didn't shat the bed in Istanbul that the team could have gone all the way to the final?
There isn’t.Yes. But that’s not the point you responded to. Which was an observation that - despite crashing out early - there’s not much between United and this season’s top CL teams in terms of quality.
I honestly don’t know how well we’d have done in the knock-out stages but we do have a good record against this season’s finalists. And I don’t think an off night in Istanbul changes that.
I agree with that but that wasn't the question. And it has nothing to do with Ole or the idea that we haven't improved.It is a cup, bad days happen.
League is always a much better indicator of progress.
And we have shown we are not far off City and will finish ahead of Chelsea two seasons running.
Perhaps but I think it was just a terrible off-day. Fine margins and all that.I think that United shat the bed in Istanbul and therefore it's easy to imagine the club doing it against other opponents in the CL.
we have matched City this season, are second in the PL, beat PSG - as you say fine margins, and that United were somewhat inconsistent in the first half of the season. More than fair chance of beating any team in Europe.Perhaps but I think it was just a terrible off-day. Fine margins and all that.
I think Utd could have also beat Atletico, Porto and this Real side.
It was not an off-day, we lost 3 games in the group stage. Look I'm not even negative about where we are today, I'm optimistic about the future but I can't really look back and change the past.Perhaps but I think it was just a terrible off-day. Fine margins and all that.
I think Utd could have also beat Atletico, Porto and this Real side.
Not saying they don't deserve it, but this year Bayern faced injuries in a crucial time, Barca, Real, Juve, Liverpool and PSG are not what they once we're.The two best teams of the Champions League are in the final, both are top teams right now, saying the champion will the least impressive side in a long long time sounds like a bitter post to me.
No, the way you win the league is by winning 15 games on the bounce (21 in all competitions). That and have a squad with basically 2 starting XIs capable of winning the league. Comes in handy, particularly when the season has been frenetic as it is.As it stands Ole doesn't have the tactics or motivation to get this side to consistently beat West Brom, Burnely, crystal Palace type teams. That's how you win the Premier League. Smash those teams, rotate well and freshen things up for the big games and Europe.
We can beat anyone yes, but winning the CL takes consistency and a bit of luck, the former being our biggest weakness. We also struggled a bit against Leipzig, twice. We didn't exactly walk the group only to falter in Turkey.we have matched City this season, are second in the PL, beat PSG - as you say fine margins, and that United were somewhat inconsistent in the first half of the season. More than fair chance of beating any team in Europe.
It takes more than consistency and luck, it also takes mental strength and resilience. Real won so much because walking out on the pitch they already thought they were winners. Chelsea won in 2012 because despite being a shadow of their former glory as a team, they were a team who had won a lot and were willing to fight until the last gasps.We can beat anyone yes, but winning the CL takes consistency and a bit of luck, the former being our biggest weakness. We also struggled a bit against Leipzig, twice. We didn't exactly walk the group only to falter in Turkey.
Me, the fact that Chelsea made the final proves that we could have too, with a bit of luck and better mental strength of the players.Does anyone else has the feeling we could be up there challenging in the UCL?
I don't know if it's just me but I don't rate the current clubs level as anything special. I think this year champion will be the less impressive side in a long long time.
Exactly. There aren't 6 teams better than us. People disagreeing with us being top 7 at least are deluded.I think we are top 5 and building imo. We have clearly left a deep CL run on the table this year.
Sure. If you were lucky. But then again, Porto could have made it to the final too, if they were lucky. It's a cupYou don't think if Utd didn't shat the bed in Istanbul that the team could have gone all the way to the final?
Which is why using the CL as any kind of barometer is a useless exercise.Sure. If you were lucky. But then again, Porto could have made it to the final too, if they were lucky. It's a cup
Not useless, just needs a close look on a case by case basisWhich is why using the CL as any kind of barometer is a useless exercise.
No offense to Porto but that would be some hell of luck.Sure. If you were lucky. But then again, Porto could have made it to the final too, if they were lucky. It's a cup
I fully agree about the league but when 4 different English sides reach a CL final in 3 years, its honestly foolhardy to rule out any top 4 side from taking a run at it in the future. We could have 8 different EPL managers reach European finals in 3 years if Arsenal wins tonight, its staggering.Not useless, just needs a close look on a case by case basis
League is certainly a better barometer, though it's based on a different type of strenght.
Consistency vs peak performance
Play them while missing bruno fernandes, pogba and rashford, and i'm pretty sure they'd be stronger than youNo offense to Porto but that would be some hell of luck.
To make it to a CL final, of course you'd need luck, but you'd need to be strong enough as well.
Is Chelsea better than Porto? I think yes, they'd beat Porto like 7/10 times in a knockout round. But Chelsea and United? I don't think Chelsea is stronger than us.
Entirely possible. Swiss style is a few years away thoughI fully agree about the league but when 4 different English sides reach a CL final in 3 years, its honestly foolhardy to rule out any top 4 side from taking a run at it in the future. We could have 8 different EPL managers reach European finals in 3 years if Arsenal wins tonight, its staggering.
I think the CL format hides how far out in front English sides are and this Swiss style makeover will expose it when it kicks in (if i understand it correctly)
?Play them while missing bruno fernandes, pogba and rashford, and i'm pretty sure they'd be stronger than you
As i said: it's a cup. What matters is how good you are the week you play, not in general