They are all also problematic which is why football clubs don't wear shirts sponsored by alcohol or cigarette companies, it's only a matter of time before a complete ban on betting sponsors is introduced.
United in advanced talks to confirm Betway as the new training kit sponsor
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He refused to wear the jacket, saying it was against his muslim belief. https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/czjd92z22yno
Will he refuse to also wear this?
They sell them all inside the ground though. Burgers, pies, beer, and Mr Betfred even has his own kiosk ready to take your money. Surely that needs to stop, otherwise the club "inadvertently endorses and amplifies this destructive behavior."
I wouldn't have a problem with that at all.
So he didn't actually say anything back then
No problem with selling beer, no. But they are not allowed to be on the shirts.
Wow. There's disingenuous and there's this.
Look don‘t sign if you are not onboard with it.
But consider the impact of sports betting on the integrity of the game. It‘s just too easy to impact betting results for players (and referees).
But consider the impact of sports betting on the integrity of the game. It‘s just too easy to impact betting results for players (and referees).
Looks like his religious belief starts and ends with hating gay people. What a coincidence.
But by selling it, aren't we endorsing it? Which from what I can tell is your main point of contention?
Harsh on @Salt Bailly
Personally, I think there’s quite a big difference between selling beer in the concourse to having it as a shirt sponsor. The world isn’t perfect, of course.
I'd be very surprised if he even knew what Betway was tbh. Hard not to know what the rainbow campaign is all about though.
Not that I want to defend him, if he does know (maybe someone ought to point it out to him) then he's a massive hypocrite.
I thought this was sarcasm at first. How on earth could there be any ambiguity about what ‘Betway’ is?
If the club is prepared to have a Betfred stand in the concourse, where kids can walk past and see it, I don't really see a lot of difference tbh.
Some 5 year old kid can watch his dad place a bet, get a pint, and get fed a burger every home match day inside Old Trafford - but if he happens to watch footage of our players training in their training kit he's being badly influenced. It doesn't make a lot of sense.
Because he's from Africa and English isn't his first language. He's also forbidden from gambling, why would he know?
Someone should tell him though.
The guy speaks great English and I’m sure has access to the Man United app to see what’s going on at the club .
It's wildly disingenuous. Something that poster said he was being very careful not to be.
Maybe he does know, but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't is all I said.
I‘m ofcourse also against the sports betting stands. I‘m against sports betting period.
No we aren't endorsing beer by selling it? Not sure I agree.
Then don't do it. But I don't think you should get to decide who else can.
No one is deciding that, so why are you accusing him of this?
Advertising betting on television obviously is another level to a stand on the concourse. It’s broadcast to hundreds of millions of people worldwide. You could argue neither are acceptable, but one is obviously far further reaching and potentially more impactful than the other.
If you get rid of the kiosks, people wouldn't be able to use them...
It's on our training tops. It's not a big deal.
I think it is. Two problems with it: gambling addiction and influencing the outcome of matches. Both are becoming huge issues.
So you're just against all gambling being legal full stop? That sounds like a larger issue, and not one I fancy my chances being able to talk you out of. If that's the case then fair enough.
You didn't actually address the point that @Posh Red made. Specifically, "Advertising betting on television obviously is another level to a stand on the concourse." Do you disagree with that?
I‘m not against well regulated gambling.
Gambling plus sports is a particularly potent potential addiction trigger. The number of addicts is growing and supports this statement.
The second issue is sports integrity.
I didn't feel like it was worth addressing seeing as our training matches aren't on tv
Ah so avoiding responding to the point being made, gotcha!
I‘m sure Betway is rubbing its hands. They are getting more attention because of the controversy.
Yes, because the point being made wasn't relevant to the discussion.
You don’t agree that the Glazer’s have financially torn the club apart ? Or do you mean you don’t agree with a gambling company as a sponsor ? If you mean you don’t agree with them fecking us financially then that’s crazy but if you mean you don’t agree with a gambling company as a sponsor then I agree BUT until it’s outlawed we’ll actively look at all revenue streams regardless of morality because of what the Glazer’s have done
I don't think that's why and it is relevant to the discussion, but carry on
How is it when I already explained why it isn't?
So Mazaroui is a typical homophobic coward hiding behind religion when it suits, he really just hates gay people. Call a spade a spade.
It appears that way.