DWelbz19
Correctly predicted Portugal to win Euro 2016
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This shouldn't hold up the deal. Let the man bring in who he wants.
Yeah its a load of balls. Also the club would look stupid having made such a bold decision to change things then hold the whole thing up by allowing more people to dictate again?I doubt there is much truth in this considering they let Moyes totally balls up the coaching staff up last summer (Woods aside).
Eh?I take the opposite view, if he can't compromise on this then he can feck off and we'll put Giggs in charge.
We've just had one manager who insisted on changing all the staff we could do without having to start again. From the players comments this week they seem genuinely happy to have the class of 92 running things.
So my first preference id LVG with Giggs as number 2 .... or Giggs to take over.
That would sit pretty with me.Agree with this. Phil will probably leave at the end of the season anyway along with Woods. We should keep Scholes for the U18s/U21s and return Butt to assisting Warren Joyce and Giggs as one of the assistants to LvG.
It would be amateurish stuff from us. I refuse to believe we'd be that daft.If it falls through because club wants to keep four coaches that have never coached then pathetic.
Moyes: Lumsden, Round, Neville, Giggs, Woods. Was there any others?5 of his own staff members? That's a lot, but I don't see this being a problem. Surely there is a role for Giggs in all this?
Erik Steele was doing a good job.For players like De Gea, i'm not sure a different coach again would be beneficial? Chris woods seems to be doing a good job, I'd say keep him!
Moyes brought a total of 10 staff with himMoyes: Lumsden, Round, Neville, Giggs, Woods. Was there any others?
Anyway, 5 sounds like the right number to me.
Well, 5 just became a very sensible number then to me.Moyes brought a total of 10 staff with him
From what I know, the keeper's extremely important in Van Gaals set up to help build from the back. So he'd want a coach, who he trusts would get De Gea more accustomed to passing out the ball like Van Gaal wants.For players like De Gea, i'm not sure a different coach again would be beneficial? Chris woods seems to be doing a good job, I'd say keep him!
I'd love to know who else he brought. I know of the 3 plus Murtough (who knows what he does btw?) and Robbie Cooke the scout, who else?Moyes brought a total of 10 staff with him
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De Telegraaf chief Sports reporter Jaap de Groot claims Van Gaal's wishlist of who he wants to bring to Manchester United is holding up deal
Van Gaal apparently wants to bring in 5 of his own staff members, United bosses reluctant, could see the deal fall through.
God knows, I read it in the Telgraph over the last few days; I'd imagine it possibly includes scouts, fitness coaches, reserve coach/minor coaching roles etc. Kit man?I'd love to know who else he brought. I know of the 3 plus Murtough (who knows what he does btw?) and Robbie Cooke the scout, who else?
What right does Giggs have to be involved either? FFS. He's the fu*king caretaker manager because the other bloke needed to be thrown out. That's all he fecking is. This situation is becoming utterly absurd.Giggs aside the class of 92 shouldn't be involved and have no given right to be tbh. The manager should have staff around him that he knows and trusts, having the likes of Butt and Neville (2 people who haven't been at United in years before their return mind) who clearly aren't 'world class' coaches isn't doing anyone much good.
Big worry was when I heard Moyes was trying to transform the whole youth system(I was a supporter of Moyes but some of the news that came out showed Moyes was on some sort of hoofball crusade)that he might get rid of Joyce who I think has done a great job over the years and the youth teams seem to be getting better every year. So any coach coming I would hope keep Joyce.Just have Scholes and Butt run the U21s, then again that's harsh on Warren Joyce.
I agree. I'd actually prefer if he didn't keep Giggs on for that reason, but given what he's said about coming into a new club and wanting some old blood around, fine. But this idea that Giggs is entitled to anything is ridiculous.I know this'll probably cause a bit of outrage, but if I was the new manager I'd want Giggs nowhere near my coaching set up. Seems like he's already got a lot of power, and if things don't start of well and Giggs/players aren't happy about it seems like he can cause quite a bit of a problem for the manager. Especially as he's pals with half the squad.
True but its clearly obvious he's being lined up for the job in a few years, they aren't going to let him go.What right does Giggs have to be involved either? FFS. He's the fu*king caretaker manager because the other bloke needed to be thrown out. That's all he fecking is. This situation is becoming utterly absurd.
Good argument. Of course in my MOCK CV I didn't actually focus on single games, and included Van Gaal's achievements over the past 15 years, which are two league titles and one cup. In that time Ferguson has won 8 league titles, one champions league, one fa cup and three league cups whilst Van Gaal has failed in four of the six jobs he's had. Like I said though, it was a jolly good argument, the excessive use of ha was particularly impressive.I've written one for Ferguson:
Failed to qualify from a CL group that had teams from Portugal, Switzerland and Romania in it, then lost to Spain's 10th best team while being much inferior. Was the only manager of a Premier League side to have been eliminated TWICE at the group stages of the Champions League in the last decade. Wenger never went out in the first group stage.
Failed to win the FA Cup in his last 9 attempts having been eliminated by a lower league side in one of them. In the meantime manager like Redknapp won it.
Was eliminated by teams like Coventry and Southend from the League Cup in the past decade.
Only won the Treble ONCE in the last 25 attempts.
Such a loser! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha worst manager ever hahahahahahahahha LOL OMG
This. But I fixed it for you.The kind of temperament this guy has I could imagine him coming out with some quote saying "The best coach in the world does not need to wait for offers and Manchester United have missed their opportunity,I will be moving to a club that values the worlds bestI will now go to portugal and live fantastic. Do not bother me, Goodbye!"
He won't go to another club, he won't go to Spurs, he will retire to his villa and "live fantastic" if we mess him about.I mean, he has the choice of Tottenham or Manchester United, I wouldn't worry about him opting for the former.
Agree, I'd want rid of him too.I know this'll probably cause a bit of outrage, but if I was the new manager I'd want Giggs nowhere near my coaching set up. Seems like he's already got a lot of power, and if things don't start of well and Giggs/players aren't happy about it seems like he can cause quite a bit of a problem for the manager. Especially as he's pals with half the squad.
No.This is going to be one huge mess isn't it.
To hopefully avoid the Ferguson succession failure of not promoting from within, hiring a useless oaf of a manager and seeing the club go through a terrible 10 months before a clause activates so we can sack him, rather than putting the guy out of his misery in February and still perhaps having a chance at the top 4 with a capable manager?What right does Giggs have to be involved either? FFS. He's the fu*king caretaker manager because the other bloke needed to be thrown out. That's all he fecking is. This situation is becoming utterly absurd.
You're probably the only person in the world who has ever expressed the sentiment that the failure of Ferguson's succession was not hiring from withinTo hopefully avoid the Ferguson succession failure of not promoting from within, hiring a useless oaf of a manager and seeing the club go through a terrible 10 months before a clause activates so we can sack him, rather than putting the guy out of his misery in February and still perhaps having a chance at the top 4 with a capable manager?
That's why I'd like him involved anyway, not saying it will work out that way, but if Van Gaal gives us 3-6 years, then Giggs will maybe be ready to take over from him after assisting and gaining experience rather than being thrown into the deep end, and we won't be giving the job to Tim Sherwood or Moyes Mk II.
That is obviously all hypothetical.
I'm with you.I know this'll probably cause a bit of outrage, but if I was the new manager I'd want Giggs nowhere near my coaching set up. Seems like he's already got a lot of power, and if things don't start of well and Giggs/players aren't happy about it seems like he can cause quite a bit of a problem for the manager. Especially as he's pals with half the squad.