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Maybe all this goes to show Lingard is in the wrong line of sports? He has great running in him but he’s pretty shit at football. Maybe a marathon runner would suit him better.
 

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Good news. I hope Lingard can be a top player again.
Remind me. When was he last a top player? hahaha

Good for him though he’s a nice guy who obvs loves the club and has always kept fit but miracles don’t happen.

We can’t expect much at all from him.
 

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I don't see it as likely that Lingard will leave this summer. The only chance would be if a team offers him a solid longterm contract. (Newcastle?)

With his family situation, his mum being ill and him helping take care of his younger siblings (14 and 11 in December at least). His younger brother even living with him.
He also has a 1 year old daughter with someone he's no longer together with, so it's unlikely that the mother and child would move to be close to Jesse.

Lingard would want to stay close to his family for as long as possible to help out. His contract runs out in 2021 so he has no big incentive to move at this point, unless maybe he could move the entire family to a new place with a long-term plan.

He might hope that if he sticks his head down this year he could become a decent enough squad option for us to trigger his 1 year extension further, or maybe even offered a new contract. United being a club that focuses on being a family might help him further in this case since he's a local lad.

Has he been delivering well enough on the pitch in the past 2(?) years? No. Was he behaving twattish in the public eye for a while? Yes, but you could argue that many would act out when you're in the situation he was in with his family issues. Nonetheless it seems he has cooled it all down in the past year, having gotten the criticism, and talks with Ole and rest of the club.

He'll still be a jokester with his teammates, as that seems to be his personality. But I think our little Jessie is growing up maturity-wise by having to take on more responsibilities.

He's less likely to care about playing time at this point, so he wouldn't move for just that. I think he will see out his contract, and if he can't get an extension from us he'll hope to land a deal with a Midlands club or similar to be able to stay close to family so his siblings won't have to move at this point.
If it was just him (and daughter) to focus on he might have hoped his daughter is so young that she won't remember much, and opt for a few years in Italy if the right offer came through, but I see it as unlikely that he'll either move away from his family or bring them along on an uncertain journey, especially after having seen countries in lockdown.

Don't expect to see Jesse feature in many starting lineups any time soon (maybe cups), but you can expect to see him stay with the club through next year, and maybe even further if he manages to fill the backup squad option to an adequate level.
 
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I agree with this. I thought he had Ji-Sung Park type potential at one point. Where he could become a selfless squad player, who had decent quality, tactical discipline, tremendous work rate and spirit, and pop up with important goals. Able to play multiple positions. But he just became so full of himself. Every great squad needs it's Park's, Phil Neville's, Butt's, O'Shea's. Consistently solid players who perform to a decent level and don't agitate by being on the bench. Players willing to sacrifice for the team. I thought Lingard was going to be one of those types of players.

The good news is that I think Solksjaer has done a brilliant job of bringing in the right type of players. Character is so important. You look at people like Maguire and Bruno, these are leaders, and fighters. Wan-Bissaka and James appear to be consummate professionals, and I can see the latter becoming one of those solid, unselfish, squad players I talked about before. For players like Lingard, the club culture is obviously shifting, where they either conform to the new ethos or they ship out. I'd be happy for him to go either way. If he fully applies himself, and sacrifices for the team, he could still have a good career here, because he is not without quality. In fact, we have seen enough of him to determine that he is a very decent player indeed. But if his mentality is that he is a top player - when he has done nothing to justify that at all - then he needs to just move on.
Very balanced and fair post about Lingard.
Not really. It's making it sound like Lingard's problem has been him being a bad character or not willing to sacrifice. He's taking care of his siblings because of family issues and is very charitable. Doesn't sound like someone who's not willing to conform.

He's just not been able to be consistent since the last WC. That's all. There could be a myriad of reasons for that. Doubting his professionalism and character isn't one. He's just annoying/playful depending on your views. That's not dissimilar to plenty of winners we've had in the team over the years i.e Evra. He's just not getting it done on the field.
 

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I dislike his choice of agent, childish antics and seriously ill timed and tacky clothing line almost as much as I dislike his crappy performances but If he was doing the business on the pitch then what could you say really? He’s brought so much extra pressure and scrutiny on himself by acting the tit. I really hope our other young players can learn from him and TC23 to keep their head down for a few good seasons before they go acting like they amongst the best. I also hope he can look around at Bruno who doesn’t have any of the baggage taking his games and making the team tick and let it give him a kick in the hole. If he copped on and got his head down he’d be a good squad player for us but that’s all he’ll be from now on. That’s his level at a club with serious aspirations.
What I said applies here too.
 

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All this shows is he’s a good athlete who works hard, he’s still nowhere near good enough for United.
 

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All this shows is that he’s in the shop window.
 

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Maybe all this goes to show Lingard is in the wrong line of sports? He has great running in him but he’s pretty shit at football. Maybe a marathon runner would suit him better.
And he wouldn’t beat any of the top runners.

Oh, he’s not ‘ pretty shit’. Not being up to Utd standard doesn’t make him ‘shit’
 

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I would expect he is always up near the top. His problem has never been his physical ability, it's confidence and footballing ability that have stopped him getting to the very top.

He's destined to stay here for his whole career now. He'll never be a starter but if he's content with being a squad player, he's good enough for that. I can't see him wanting to go anywhere else and who else would pay him what we do? He's like Danny Welbeck but i doubt he would want to leave his mates in Manchester.
 

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Not really surprising, Jesse has always been a good runner and he's got the perfect body shape for it.

Let's hope it's a sign he's taking things more seriously/professionally, but the pitch is where it matters.
 

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Well now I don't know who to believe because reports this morning are that Fernandes has reported back to training in amazing shape, faster and fitter than he was when he joined in January. Not everyone can report back as 'best in many categories'
 

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All this shows is that he’s in the shop window.
Correct. I think people have forgotten that he signed with Raiola a few months back. You only do that if you're planning on moving abroad. That coupled with the fact he came close to leaving the club last summer.
 

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"Lingard finished top of the high speed running (the total distance covered at a speed of 5.5 meters per second or above) with 13,341 metres in a single session, followed by Harry Maguire and Scott McTominay."

Somethings is not right there. Isn't Maguire one of the slowest player around?
What's wrong is 5.5 metres per second being described as high speed running when it really isn't. As someone else said, it's an 18 second 100m time, or 18.18 to be precise.

As a very overweight 15 year old I ran the 100m in 15.5 seconds and there's not a footballer around who wouldn't find 18 seconds comfortable, even Laurent Blanc when he was with us. It just means they ran around a lot in the session., you can ignore the speed part.
 

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What's wrong is 5.5 metres per second being described as high speed running when it really isn't. As someone else said, it's an 18 second 100m time, or 18.18 to be precise.

As an overweight 15 year old I ran the 100m in 15.5 seconds and there's not a footballer around who wouldn't find 18 seconds comfortable, even Laurent Blanc when he was with us. It just means they ran around a lot in the session., you can ignore the speed part.
But they didn't run just 100m isn't it, they covered 13341m.
 

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But they didn't run just 100m isn't it, they covered 13341m.
That's what I'm saying.

The poster was saying Harry Maguire can't run fast. I'm pointing out that it wasn't measuring whether he could or not because that's not really fast. It was more measuring how far he ran.
 

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Was looking for a visual of what 5.5 m/s roughly looks like.

Here's a 4:52 mile which is the same pace. Now of course that runner's speed will fluctuate throughout the race but we're talking approximations just to get a guide. It was measuring the distance covered when the players were roughly running faster than that.
 

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What's wrong is 5.5 metres per second being described as high speed running when it really isn't. As someone else said, it's an 18 second 100m time, or 18.18 to be precise.

As a very overweight 15 year old I ran the 100m in 15.5 seconds and there's not a footballer around who wouldn't find 18 seconds comfortable, even Laurent Blanc when he was with us. It just means they ran around a lot in the session., you can ignore the speed part.
Doing it once isn't difficult, but doing that for that distance is very difficult. You're running at 50% speed for a very long distance which many people just couldn't manage.
 

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Lingards absolute rubbish, no ammount of runnings goin to change that. He struggles to control a football, he struggles to pass a football...On the rare occasion he manages to do both, he takes the wrong option. Woeful player.
 

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Doing it once isn't difficult, but doing that for that distance is very difficult. You're running at 50% speed for a very long distance which many people just couldn't manage.
Well of course I couldn't do it as a fat kid, my stamina/recovery was practically non existent and I don't think I'd have been able to run 13,341 metres in a whole day with as much rest as I wanted in between runs. So it's a lot more impressive than I could do!

Suppose ultimately how impressive these numbers are depends on how long the training session was. Just digging out some CL stats, Daniel Parejo of Valencia covered 88,271 m in 8 games and it looks reasonably good for the players who played 720 minutes. So that's 11,033 m per match and will include walking/slow jogs. This measurement of United's session isn't constant all-out sprinting but it's all faster than the bits when Parejo would have been walking or moving slowly during his matches. If it was a 90 minute session then it would very much be impressive to not that knowledgeable me, and the longer the session was then that would decrease. At some point, say if the session was 4 hours (and I'd doubt it was) then I'd be inclined to think it wasn't a big deal at all.
 

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Well of course I couldn't do it as a fat kid, my stamina/recovery was practically non existent and I don't think I'd have been able to run 13,341 metres in a whole day with as much rest as I wanted in between runs. So it's a lot more impressive than I could do!

Suppose ultimately how impressive these numbers are depends on how long the training session was. Just digging out some CL stats, Daniel Parejo of Valencia covered 88,271 m in 8 games and it looks reasonably good for the players who played 720 minutes. So that's 11,033 m per match and will include walking/slow jogs. This measurement of United's session isn't constant all-out sprinting but it's all faster than the bits when Parejo would have been walking or moving slowly during his matches. If it was a 90 minute session then it would very much be impressive to not that knowledgeable me, and the longer the session was then that would decrease. At some point, say if the session was 4 hours (and I'd doubt it was) then I'd be inclined to think it wasn't a big deal at all.
Perhaps I read it wrong, but I assumed he was running at that speed for the whole 13,341 metres hence being impressive?
 

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Lingards absolute rubbish, no ammount of runnings goin to change that. He struggles to control a football, he struggles to pass a football...On the rare occasion he manages to do both, he takes the wrong option. Woeful player.
Nail on the head. Who wants a squad player with those attributes? Can't wait until he goes.
 

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Perhaps I read it wrong, but I assumed he was running at that speed for the whole 13,341 metres hence being impressive?
Do you mean in one go without stopping or slowing down below that pace?

That would certainly impress me. Trying to figure out if that's plausible, here's a link a to the best UK 10k times from last year, I'll also put a relevant screenshot in the spoiler because the site seems slow/doesn't want to work half the time.

10,000 metres / 5.5 metres per second = 1818.18 seconds or a 10k time of 30 minutes, 18.18 seconds.

So 13,341 metres would be about a third further than 10k at about the same pace the 117th fastest UK bloke ran 10k which means Lingard would be a fair bit quicker than him at an actual 10k and probably break the top 100. Is that realistic for a footballer? I honestly don't know. On one hand the 117th best UK athlete is a relative nobody on the world stage and will have zero earning power from the sport so if you could run like that but also choose football you would choose football. On the other hand, these guys while not being the best in the world specialise in distance running and a footballer doesn't. Runners are wearing running shoes on a track where Lingard and the rest of the United players were probably on grass in boots. I'm not certain, but I'm leaning towards saying I don't think it would have been 1 long run.

I was assuming more that it was 13,341 metres at that speed or quicker, but in the session as a whole he might have moved 20,000 metres, maybe even 25 or 30k altogether so it would have included recovery time and some walking around.
 
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That is just one part of football, your overall fitness, pace and endurance. We all know that he is garbage in the other big part, like intelligence, passing, first touch, positioning, chance creation, dribbling, assists, finishing, goals. Especially where he plays on the pitch, he is just completely average for what he offers on the ball. He has been an absolute passenger, Bruno showed him and Pereira how to play.
 

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Do you mean in one go without stopping or slowing down below that pace?

That would certainly impress me. Trying to figure out if that's plausible, here's a link a to the best UK 10k times from last year, I'll also put a relevant screenshot in the spoiler because the site seems slow/doesn't want to work half the time.

10,000 metres / 5.5 metres per second = 1818.18 seconds or a 10k time of 30 minutes, 18.18 seconds.

So 13,341 metres would be about a third further than 10k at about the same pace the 117th fastest UK bloke ran 10k which means Lingard would be a fair bit quicker than him at an actual 10k and probably break the top 100. Is that realistic for a footballer? I honestly don't know. On one hand the 117th best UK athlete is a relative nobody on the world stage and will have zero earning power from the sport so if you could run like that but also choose football you would choose football. On the other hand, these guys while not being the best in the world specialise in distance running and a footballer doesn't. Runners are wearing running shoes on a track where Lingard and the rest of the United players were probably on grass in boots. I'm not certain, but I'm leaning towards saying I don't think it would have been 1 long run.

I was assuming more that it was 13,341 metres at that speed or quicker, but in the session as a whole he might have moved 20,000 metres, maybe even 25 or 30k altogether so it would have included recovery time and some walking around.
You're probably right, maybe it was a total amount of running in that whole session but without the full facts its hard to know why/how it was good.

I guess all we need to know is they were at the top.