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"LONDON, Feb 13 (Reuters) - Real Madrid held its position as the world's richest soccer club as English clubs climbed the rankings to claim three of the top five slots in an annual survey by accountancy firm Deloitte [DLTE.UL].

Manchester United climbed two places to second in the latest 'Football Money League' table of the world's 20 biggest soccer clubs ranked by revenue, Deloitte said.

London-based teams Chelsea and Arsenal also climbed to fourth and fifth places, respectively, while Barcelona dropped one place from second to third, Deloitte said.

'This is the first time that any country has had three clubs in the top five of the Money League,' said Dan Jones, a partner at the Sports Business Group at Deloitte. 'Arsenal's move to the Emirates Stadium has transformed their revenues whilst Chelsea's revenue increase sees them return to the top five.'

Real Madrid, which won the Spanish Liga last season, saw its revenues leap 20 percent to 351 million euros ($511.2 million) during the 2006/07 season, while Manchester United, also winners of last season's Premier League, posted revenues of 315 million euros, Deloitte said.

'With the new Premier League television deals now online for the 2007/08 season, Manchester United have the opportunity to significantly close the gap on Real,' Jones said. 'A successful Champions League run may even see them challenge again for the number one position.'

Combined revenues for the top 20 clubs'rose by 11 percent to 3.7 billion euros, the highest rate of growth since the 2002/03 season, Deloitte said.

The top 20 included six English clubs, four from both Germany and Italy; three from Spain, two French and one from Scotland.

'The performance of German clubs particularly catches the eye, with enhanced revenues being generated from new and improved stadia,' said Alan Switzer, Director in the Sports Business Group at Deloitte.

'The stadium is a club's biggest asset and the majority of the Money League clubs are looking to complete stadium developments in the short and medium term.'

The number of English clubs in the ranking fell from eight to six, although it may increase again next year, the accountancy firm said.

'Clubs such as Aston Villa, Everton, Manchester City and West Ham United are already just outside the top 20 and with the revenue uplift from the new broadcast deals now benefiting the clubs, we expect to see the bottom half of next year's Money League dominated by English teams,' said Paul Rawnsley, Director in the Sports Business Group said."

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not surprising considering the new television deal
 
since 1987 said:
Strange considering our debt but then again i dont know anything about economics
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That's only revenue which takes into account the sales of tickets, shirts .. sponsor deals ..etc ..

Revenue, Profits and net profits are very different things.
 
McLovin said:
That's only revenue which takes into account the sales of tickets, shirts .. sponsor deals ..etc ..

Revenue, Profits and net profits are very different things.
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What's the difference b/n profit and net profit? I thought the whole definition of profit was that it was net. I would have said that there is revenue/income, on the one hand, and then (net) profit on the other. Is profit vs. net profit something to do with financing debts?
 
McLovin said:
That's only revenue which takes into account the sales of tickets, shirts .. sponsor deals ..etc ..

Revenue, Profits and net profits are very different things.
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United's revenue is apparently up last year because they recalculated turnover relating to shirts sales by Nike that previously weren't included... it has nothing to do with the bottom line profitability and tbh it was more a case of wanting to win a p!ssing contest with the likes of Arsenal..
 
And if we all lived in a Real Madrid kind of world, Trafford council would be offering us a billion quid for Carrington. ;)

Is it just me or does it feel like there are one of these lists coming out every month?

I'm not too fussed mind, and it's not like if we brought in that extra 36 million Euros, we'd put it toward clearing some of the debt or anything.
 
Jens' Face said:
What's the difference b/n profit and net profit? I thought the whole definition of profit was that it was net. I would have said that there is revenue/income, on the one hand, and then (net) profit on the other. Is profit vs. net profit something to do with financing debts?
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Not too sure about this:

Profit= Revenues - Expenses

Net Profit = Gross Profit - Interests, kinds of Taxes, Amortization etc..

Net Profit is the bottom line profits of the company after everything has been taken away from it.

I think!
 
McLovin said:
Not too sure about this:

Profit= Revenues - Expenses

Net Profit = Gross Profit - Interests, kinds of Taxes, Amortization etc..

Net Profit is the bottom line profits of the company after everything has been taken away from it.

I think!
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haha :smirk: I'm not going there!
 
I so fcking hope we get Real Madrid in the CL this season and we thrash those bastards!
 
Quite frankly said:
United's revenue is apparently up last year because they recalculated turnover relating to shirts sales by Nike that previously weren't included... it has nothing to do with the bottom line profitability and tbh it was more a case of wanting to win a p!ssing contest with the likes of Arsenal..
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No, these rankings report only 212mn which excludes the Nike and MUTV gross revenue. So it is consistent with previous years.
 
Own deal

If United were allowed their own TV deal, Real, Barca, Milan, NONE of them would come even CLOSE to us.
Personally I think we should be allowed to have our deal and feck the rest of the Premiership. They can get together and try and play in a League without us, or have their own individual deals, or have a combined deal just minus United.
We deserve the right to self-determination financially.
I say this knowing of course that the wanker-Glazers would of course benefit more than anyone from such a deal.
 
Man Utd WILL be world's richest inside 2 years

Manchester United can succeed Real Madrid as the world's richest club inside the next two years.

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That is the view of business advisory firm Deloitte, who published their new Football Money League on Thursday.

Real remain at the top of the league for the third successive year on the latest figures available, from the 2006-07 season, which showed their revenue increased by 20 per cent to £236million.

However, United enjoyed an even bigger percentage increase to come in second at £212million, two places up on the previous season and ahead of Barcelona, Chelsea and Arsenal in third, fourth and fifth respectively.

The Old Trafford club had dominated the money league since its inception in 1996-97 before Real took over, and Paul Rawnsley, director of Deloitte's sports business group, believes it is only a matter of time before they resume their position at the top with the impact of the new television deal due to be felt during the current campaign.

He said: "Real Madrid are still at the top after an impressive 20 per cent growth in revenue, but Manchester United closed the gap and have the potential to catch Real up and take that top spot possibly next season or the season thereafter.

"To some extent, that will depend on how they perform relative to Real Madrid in the Champions League."

With the new television money to be factored in, Rawnsley said: "We would expect to see as many as 10 of the top 20 being made up by English Premier League clubs in next year's table.

"There are different ways of measuring the health and quality of the league, but there has been period of strong financial growth in terms of broadcasting rights and matchday and commercial revenues.

"Yes, the clubs spend a lot of money on wages, but overall, the Premier League clubs are profitable.

"It is a different story lower down the leagues, but the Premier League is the highest revenue-generating league in the world."

Premier League chiefs admitted last week that they are examining the possibility of playing a 39th round of matches outside England as they look to new revenue sources.

Rawnsley admitted that as long as the brands of both the league itself and individual clubs remain attractive, English clubs can continue to dominate.

He said: "In terms of the quality of the football and the quality of the competition, that is sustainable.

"It continues to have strength here in England and continues to grow in strength in terms of people wanting to watch matches and wanting to be associated with the English Premier League clubs and English football around the world.

"That could be fans overseas watching it on television and driving up the television rights, it could be sponsors from the USA or Asia or wherever else in the world who want to be associated with the game.

"But there is a balance to be struck. Fans want to see their club winning football matches and winning trophies because that is what football is all about.

"But on the business side of the game, clubs are competing against each other for players, and to able to get better players, they need and want to have more revenue.

"Exploiting their brand value, not just here but around the world, can generate that revenue.

"The football side and the business side are very much inter-related, but there is a balance that does need to be achieved."

1 Real Madrid £236.2m
2 Man Utd £212.1m
3 Barcelona £195.3m
4 Chelsea £190.5m
5 Arsenal £177.6m
6 AC Milan £153m
7 Bayern Munich £150.3m
8 Liverpool £133.9m
9 Internazionale £131.3m
10 AS Roma £106.1m
11 Tottenham £103.1m
12 Juventus £97.7m
13 Lyons £94.6m
14 Newcastle £87.1m
15 Hamburg SV £81.0m
16 Schalke 04 £76.9m
17 Celtic £75.2m
18 Valencia £72.4m
19 Marseille £66.6m
20 Werder Bremen £65.5m
 
HampshireHog said:
If United were allowed their own TV deal, Real, Barca, Milan, NONE of them would come even CLOSE to us.
Personally I think we should be allowed to have our deal and feck the rest of the Premiership. They can get together and try and play in a League without us, or have their own individual deals, or have a combined deal just minus United.
We deserve the right to self-determination financially.
I say this knowing of course that the wanker-Glazers would of course benefit more than anyone from such a deal.
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And who would we play then and also put on tv when we have no teams to play against

United are only in this position because over the years they have had other teams to play against
Without them there would be no United

Well suppose we can form a league with the reserve side and play each other 38 times a season
 
mickthered said:
And who would we play then and also put on tv when we have no teams to play against

United are only in this position because over the years they have had other teams to play against
Without them there would be no United

Well suppose we can form a league with the reserve side and play each other 38 times a season
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:lol:

Agreed.
 
mickthered said:
And who would we play then and also put on tv when we have no teams to play against

United are only in this position because over the years they have had other teams to play against
Without them there would be no United

Well suppose we can form a league with the reserve side and play each other 38 times a season
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exactly does it ever enter some peoples mind that the Premiership as a marketing tool is only strong because of the competition?
 
Quite frankly said:
exactly does it ever enter some peoples mind that the Premiership as a marketing tool is only strong because of the competition?
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Just like a house of cards strong while altogether but you only have to pull one from the corner and the whole lot will collapse

Just go to show that to some people money is more important then anything else

So what United are second in the list on money turnover which does not mean anything to me

On the profit list it would be just over £42 million made and £42 million payed out in interest
Would rather them be near the bottom of the list and not having this huge debt and they would still be better off
 
McLovin said:
Not too sure about this:

Profit= Revenues - Expenses

Net Profit = Gross Profit - Interests, kinds of Taxes, Amortization etc..

Net Profit is the bottom line profits of the company after everything has been taken away from it.

I think!
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Thats pretty much it.

It's all means feck all really because if the exchange rate was more favourable we might have been top.
 
::sonny:: said:
real madrid>spanish government

do you remember the story of "ciudad deportiva" ?

real madrid is the most in debt soccer club
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Their debt has been "cancelled" by the king, if I remember well. Ours still remains, but technically, I don't think we have to worry either, as long as we keep winning trophies, i.e. money, since it will allow us to pay at least the interests, and maybe recover the debt partially, step by step.
 
Real are backed by the Spanish government ,a few years back the government paid £220 million for their old training ground and to ease them out of debt ,after all it was Franco's team
 
Fuengirola Red said:
Real are backed by the Spanish government ,a few years back the government paid £220 million for their old training ground and to ease them out of debt ,after all it was Franco's team
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and that -- with apologies to any Madridistas out there -- is what so baffles me.

I'd've thought that the Spanish gov'ts since Franco would want to, er. distance themselves from civil war and fascism.
 
Quite frankly said:
yes mate.. there were actually two sets of figures out overnite... the first ones had the grossed up figures of 234m
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I believe the '£234m' is a bogus figure and not the gross revenues. I think it was calculated by using Deloitte's 'Euro' turnover figures which had us at 351.4m Euros. That 'Euro' figure had been reached by using a weighted £/Euro exchange rate over the course of the 2006/7 Year. So the £212.1m turnover translated into 351.4m euros by using an exchange rate of 1:1.487 over those 12 months.

The error has occured because some plonker has used yesterday's exchange rate of 1:1.347 to convert Deloitte's 351.4m Euro figure back into Sterling even though the £212.1m turnover had already been converted into euros at a vastly different rate. So using Deloitte's 351.4m euros turnover they exchanged it back into sterling at yesterday's rate of 1:1.347 to get a Sterling total of £234m. I think the gross revenues are still the originally annouced figure of £245m.

The depreciation of the pound against the euro over the past 6 months will be causing some of the British Clubs problems when competing with European Clubs for players etc. Just as an example if the Deloitte turnover figures for the 2006/7 season were calculated with today's exchange rate, Madrid would have a turnover of £260m when coverted into sterling from 351.8m euros. So the gap would increase between ourselves and Madrid from £24m in Deloitte's released figures to £48m or alternatively from 36m euros to 65m euros. Also by using today's exchange rate we would slip behind Barcelona in the list and other British clubs would also slip down places. I think the change in the exchange rate will prevent the predicted 10 english clubs from making up half of the top 20 for the current season. Man City and West Ham will probably make it in with Everton and Villa just outside.
 
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