Because more money>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It was a poor analogy. A cursory glance on Google suggests there’s about 15-20 players in the league on >200k a week, and if you interrogate those lists I reckon there’s only 5 (KDB, Haaland, Salah, Foden and Reece James) I’d want at United. So it’s like going food shopping and not being able to buy 5 things that you might want in the entire shop but there’s still loads of good alternatives for what you can afford.
There is some of that in NBA contracts and it's very weird to see how players leave rebounds for someone, assist someone over somebody else so they hit their targets and money bonuses. I don't think that's something you'd want in football in a way that it determine more than a third of your pay. When you belong in the bracket of players that "deserve" 300/400k, you'd want most of it guaranteed.
Pointed out where exactly? None of those links above tell you what his actual salary is. The 25% cut for not qualifying for the Champions League is not the same as a wage cap.
They won't, it's nonsense.
We absolutely need to be more sensible about the wages we offer. I just think a wage cap is a stupid way to do this. If we pay everyone in the first team squad 200k our wage bill would still be too high, despite the wage cap. Paying top dollar to a very small number of elite performers would be manageable if we didn’t also overpay loads of mediocre squad players. But we will always need to pay a few players very high wages if we a) want to sign the very best players in the world and b) hold on to any extra special players developing at the club.
How much of Casemiro’s contract is incentivised? What’s the split? I can’t obviously see anything which says he’s getting £150k in weekly incentives.
Agree my analogies are sht. But my point still stands. Everyone agrees that paying ridiculous fees is stupid. But at the same time a wage cap could be cutting our noses off to spite our face.
Real Madrid coped alright. Unless you think Ronaldo didn’t earn vastly more than many of his teammates when they were winning Champions League every year. Or Messi at Barcelona.
The article mentions his salary will reduce to what he was on at Real without incentives being achieved. Intriguingly that was 202k.
Messi with Barcelona is a great example. They didn’t get into financial shit at all did they paying the obscene wage he was on causing him to leave on a free. And Madrid have also gone to shit since Ronaldo left haven’t they? Haven’t won a single thing since.
Which article? Because if you Google it you will find multiple different sources quoting different things. Sometimes the same paper contradicting themselves. If you choose to believe that his salary would drop to 200k a week then that would make his salary £270k per week. Which goes back to £200k a week not being enough to attract or keep top players.
It seems like you don’t really understand your own point. I responded to you saying that’s not how you build a team. Obviously you can build a successful team with the top players earning comfortably the most money. That is true of every club in football.
The number of ones I’ve posted
You responded to me. I was that guy. And shit loads of teams have won where players weren’t on twice more than their colleagues - like us when we were successful. What’s your point? It was only as their careers went on that their salary became more ridiculous. Bale was on 600k a week ffs - the whole squad was on crazy wages. And as I replied - Madrid have continued winning without Ronaldo and the ridiculous wage so it wasn’t necessary. And Barcelona’s insane wage structure caught up with them leading to the total dismantling of the team. I don’t think as they rebuild they’re thinking “let’s get someone else more than a million per week” - that isn’t the lesson here. Team beats individuals. If they aren’t buying into that they can feck off.
From the likes of The Sun? Here’s a later article contradicting yours.
and Sports Illustrated. There’s others to.
I don't think Messi is a great example as he generated more money for Barca than he was paid. What Barca chose to do with that money was the problem. Coutinho, Dembele, Greizman as examples.
I edited my post when I realised. My point is that teams can be harmonious and successful while there is a big disparity in wages. What point were you trying to make?
That's not very smart. Would you say Williams should earn no less than half of what Casemiro/Bruno/Varane/Rashford are earning?
I suggest you check who was earning how much during Sir Alex stint, at any point. Check Keane's record wages and how much did others in the squad make.
There are others. None of them actually tell you what he earns. The point being that if you choose to believe that failing to qualify for the Champions League means a 25% cut that brings him to 202k per week, then his current salary would have to be £270k per week. The 25% cut from base salary for not qualifying for the Champions League has been in place for years. It’s not the same as capping base salary at 200k.and Sports Illustrated. There’s others to.
Bare in mind we are discussing a single article from the Mail
No. I said you shouldn’t have one player earning twice more than your next highest earner. That’s clearly what I meant. I didn’t mean Bruno shouldn’t be on twice more than will fish ffs. Obviously.
You literally said anyone.
So again - I didn’t say you can’t. You giving me an outlier makes no odds to me. And actually telling me hazard is on shit tons more than anyone else proves my point - he shouldn’t be. Neither should Bale. I’m not saying you shouldn’t pay big money - I’m saying if I’m building a team first ethos where no player is bigger than the club signing Kylian mbappe for 800k a week when the next highest earner is on 250k a week isn’t something I would be doing.
The sophistry...?
The fact is, if you're winning trophies, the vast majority of players wont leave, we've so many examples of that down the years in great sides.
What? So if, just for example, Betis gives Rashford £800k/week we should to?
The 25% cut was for last season. Casemiro was not at the club. It’s clear his contract is heavily incentivised though as per the
I apologize for the mistake. But again, I don't think such general rules are a good idea.
Agree. People would have a big surprise of they have a look at Madrid wages. Some of them were/are way underpaid but still stay.
I didn’t mean it that way - clearly didn’t express it very well. I meant you shouldn’t have one person earning vast amounts more than the next highest earners. I wasn’t advocating for socialism
