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United Away Record | We've not won anything yet, waaaaaaah
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
In fairness they actually started off pretty decently, they were even top for a while so they clearly aren't allowed to use that excuse
Our record against them is horrible. I think Leeds & Villa are easy wins. The way they play is perfect for us. They actually try to play football. Wolves are anti football garbage, I hate playing them.
Liverpool, Everton and City did the double over us in the moyes season. So three in the worst year of the past 30 years.
FFS its football's coming home all over again
I agree. Playing away with no hostile fans is totally different. However, it's still a very good streak and admirable. Let's give a lot of credit to Ole.
You mean invincinble ?
Don’t know the complete list but I remember Arsenal and West Ham doing the double over us in 2006/07, City in 2008 (and 2012), Liverpool in 2009, Chelsea in one of the Ancelotti and first time Mourinho seasons, etc.
Agreed, it's great work by Ole and the squad but it means nothing vs a regular season with packed stadiums.
And you jinxed it.
Still amazed your username hasn't been changed yet. The English term can't even be posted here without turning to a "feck"
Going unbeaten for such a period is a great achievement, but we've actually only won four of our last ten leagues matches away from home. That's a big part of why we aren't challenging City for the league title.
Going undefeated is one of those things that is a bit overrated, especially when it is 3 points for a win. A win and a loss is better than two draws. Conceding a goal to slip from a win to a draw costs more points than conceding to slip from a draw to a loss. United would be a in a better place if they converted those six draws into three wins and three losses, and would still be level pegging if they had only won twice and lost the other four.
Worth pointing out that City (28 points), Everton (21 points), Liverpool (20 points) and Leicester (19 points) have all gained ground on us in their last 10 away games. Even Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham (17 points) have only gained one fewer than our 18 points.
Going undefeated is one of those things that is a bit overrated, especially when it is 3 points for a win. A win and a loss is better than two draws. Conceding a goal to slip from a win to a draw costs more points than conceding to slip from a draw to a loss. United would be a in a better place if they converted those six draws into three wins and three losses, and would still be level pegging if they had only won twice and lost the other four.
Worth pointing out that City (28 points), Everton (21 points), Liverpool (20 points) and Leicester (19 points) have all gained ground on us in their last 10 away games. Even Arsenal, Chelsea and West Ham (17 points) have only gained one fewer than our 18 points.
But don't most of the fans wear red in the stands as well? I don't know if that makes such a difference.
But glad we caught it early, this is going to compound into the rest of the season's home form otherwise.
Don't Arsenal's 01-02 team hold the record?
They haven't actually beat us since 2019 which is a small positive, think our record is 2W and 4D since then though, which says it all about how exciting those games are
their football really is ghastly.Those 2 are 1-0 wins too, one in the last min. Haye watching us play vs Wolves, terrible gamesThey haven't actually beat us since 2019 which is a small positive, think our record is 2W and 4D since then though, which says it all about how exciting those games are
One look at the Twitter feeds of most journalists and you'll find he's held in much, much lower esteem than even those two. Miguel Delaney still thinks our progress has been limited, and thinks Arteta is a better coach and manager to this day.
I'll never understand it. Arsenal should be in the midst of a good run right now, if we're going to take Ole's reign with a similarly resourced squad as the barometer. Odegaard should be his Bruno. Why isn't that happening?
Yep. They seem like they are our kryptonite, but thankfully we likely won't have anything riding on that particular game so there's zero pressure and the lads can play their natural game.
‘Cos we are Manchester United. Didn’t Ole say that under SAF, even coming second was a massive failure? If we want to get back to where we were one of these days, standards should not be lowered. The criticism is sometimes too harsh, but it just comes from expectations. We should be comparing ourselves with the likes of Bayern, Real and Barcelona, not Arsenal.
Yeah, it's like watching our games vs Villarreal. Borefest.
Why is a member of the BRPA posting here? We have had few things to be positive about since SAF left. Leave this thread, man.
I understand. I assume you mean me even if I don't feel adressed by the acronym. I'll delete all my previous posts and just end by saying: congrats, seriously well done.
It's really hard to expect the manager to turn this team into Bayern & Real if he's not backed to improve his starting XI.
If Leeds now do us....
I think classing the likes of Delaney and Ogden as journalists is very generous. Agenda pushing shite hawks would be my personal term for them.
City in 2018/19 season as well, Swansea in 2014/15 season..
Edit: Blackburn in 2005/06, Liverpool and Arsenal in 2001/02, Liverpool in 00/01, Arsenal in 97/98, Chelsea 93/94.
So Liverpool and City done it 4 times, Arsenal and Chelsea 3. Blackburn, West Ham, Everton and Swansea once. Maybe I missed some.
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Why would you do this ! Why! Watch us lose now, thanks a bunch.
We've equalled Arsenal's run that went through the entire 2001/02 and ended in a 2-1 defeat against Everton whose winning goal was scored by a certain Wayne Rooney...
Ogden is bitter fool as he is irrelevant since Moyes was sacked, Delaney shouldn't be considered as journalist at all. He makes lot of posters on match day thread look sane.
There there are journalists like Jack Pitt Brooke who covers Spurs for Athletic coming up with nonsense like Ole was never relevant.
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man city have 3 very tricky games next
I am just imagining the moment Tyler screams “Brunoooooooo”
The thing is, just as we're Manchester United, they are fecking Arsenal - the third biggest club in England, and that's an indisputable fact.
They finished ahead of us in 2018/2019. They bought more players for both their squad and their first team since then in both the ensuing transfer windows than Ole did. Sure, they might have not spent as much as we did, but then they didn't let go of as much of their squad as we did either, and no matter how tough it's been, they should not be below Everton, Leicester and West Ham. I'm sorry, there's just no excusing it. Ole got pelters for having us where we were last season despite there being clear grounds for mitigation with the injuries and poor squad and yet, Arteta gets away with buying unadulterated shit and giving contracts to non-entities like Soares and Mori, or that three-year deal to Willian. They give him credit for playing the youngsters, but he proactively ignored the likes of Smith-Rowe and kept on playing Willian.
Like I said, I could understand the agenda if Arteta was even meeting the most basic of expectations, but he simply isn't.
Fair point well made.
Mate, you're preaching to the converted
I pulled up Delaney yesterday on an old tweet of his saying he would gladly admit he was wrong on Ole if we finished 2nd. Well, 7 games away and it seems likely that we will be finishing 2nd but I've had no response and funnily enough he hasn't really been speaking on Ole since the turn of the year... The cumstain.
People still believe in jinxes ? I bet some of you lot still put teeth under your pillow
Swansea under LvG, maybe Chelsea or city under jose. Can't remember any from last year-maybe arsenal?
Didn’t Burnley do a double on us last season?