We hardly sign any youth players anymore. 95% of the academy is local talent which is why our academy is so revered, not just the winning culture.
United's youth recruitment of late
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
That is a very relevant and depressing point. So it probably explains our efforts of late, trying to squeeze in a few before the big freeze. Alas.
That's not true at all. For both those players our preference is likely teams that play out from the back, for instance.
What an ignorant post
As it stands, add Pereira and probably Mengi.Well - Lingard ?
As it stands: Rashford, Greenwood, McTominay, Pogba, Lingard, Pereira, Williams and Henderson. I actually forgot to count Tuanzebe and Fosu-Mensah as well, although I doubt Fosu-Mensah will have a role.
Absolute stupidity
It was a joke, lighten up
It obviously makes good business sense to acquire the best young talents, for small fees or compensation, Hannibal aside of course! But as other posters have pointed out it's not really anything new to Man United. I remember when we signed Andreas Pereira and the hype around him at the time was unreal. I think we can all see that just because a player is sought after at 16 by the top clubs in Europe, doesn't necessarily mean that they'll turn into top class players.
I'm not meaning to have a dig at Pereira either I just used him as an example of teenage superstar Vs the reality of what he is now, which is an average footballer who has no business being at United.
I'm not meaning to have a dig at Pereira either I just used him as an example of teenage superstar Vs the reality of what he is now, which is an average footballer who has no business being at United.
The success rate for young players is low at big clubs, but at least we produce good footballers who generally go on to have good careers at various levels. There’s many a young player we e thought was nailed on to make it and hasn’t. I’ve given up those prediction games!
Our success rate is roughly 37%.
But you can only play 11 players in any one game so that results in very few opportunities.
And if you are really successful (with someone like Giggs)...then every left winger for the next 15 years has to be better than Giggs to get into the team. Tough eh!
So, with 18 players in each group each season...and only 6/7 really being in the frame...and then they have to better than the previous intakes (and bought players)...it leaves very little opportunity in % terms.
When you then look at our record it's pretty remarkable really. If you get one breakthrough player a year that's success.
We often do better than that.
But you can only play 11 players in any one game so that results in very few opportunities.
And if you are really successful (with someone like Giggs)...then every left winger for the next 15 years has to be better than Giggs to get into the team. Tough eh!
So, with 18 players in each group each season...and only 6/7 really being in the frame...and then they have to better than the previous intakes (and bought players)...it leaves very little opportunity in % terms.
When you then look at our record it's pretty remarkable really. If you get one breakthrough player a year that's success.
We often do better than that.
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I think the comments from Ole today are telling. I would be very surprised if a new centre back is signed. Its Mengi time
My wider point is that yes, we have brought through players but very few (if any) have lived up to their potential. There's probably only 4 of those players that could argue they had successful United careers. Rashford might be another in one or two seasons. Pogba would probably be in the Sunderland midfield now if he'd stayed rather than go to Juve for 4 seasons.
Look at some of the younger outfield players we've signed. Ronaldo, Rooney aside; we have spent some big money on young talent over the last 20 or so years and very few have been successful.
We are a club that has an almost Barca esque arrogance about the way we do things. The United/Busby way etc. We should, if you believed our hype, be doing amazing at developing young players (whether they've gone come through our academy or brought them from the outside.) Are we though?
The fact that their signings did not do that much for Utd is down to Utd. Both players could not get playing time.
The fact is - we are doing exceptionally well. No one is even close to what we are doing in terms of youth Development/recruitment in the UK. And most of the clubs in Europe who are at our level have a huge advantage over us because they can afford to give players the chance to learn. Someone like Ajax can field 3-4 new players each season and still end 2nd or 3rd as a worse case scenario - while we are playing the best in the world in our League and you can't have many players learning their trade in our matches - they need to be ready.
If we can get 2 players into the first team Squad each season - it's unbelievably good. Even just 1 player is good, or at least better than all our P.L opponents.
If we can get 2 players into the first team Squad each season - it's unbelievably good. Even just 1 player is good, or at least better than all our P.L opponents.
I mean, yes. Yes we are. By every measure Man Utd produce more professional football players than any other club in England. They may not always be all time greats but an awful lot go on to long professional careers in the top divison.
Relative to other clubs? Absolutely. Look how many homegrown players we have in our team - how many in world football can match that? And with the level we play at, it's much harder to come through the ranks than at smaller teams.
We're not Barcelona 2011, but we're doing well for ourselves.
Pique was bullied every time the ball went in the air and he was caught out for pace on numerous occasions. Ferguson was willing to be patient but Pique wanted to move back to Spain for personal reasons.
Spanish football suited his style much better.
Not sure that had anything top do with United.
Rossi was unbelievable at Reserve and youth level. I agree that we could have managed his loan spells much better. Loans are incredibly tricky to get right. Nevertheless he was always slightly below standard in the Premier League. Personally I think we should have given him more of a run in the team. He proved his quality abroad, but once again think the Spanish and Italian leagues suited him better.
Pique was very young for a CB as well. Only 18-19 when he was breaking through and so inevitably he got bullied a bit.
Absolutely...which is why Fergie was willing to be patient.
I can't agree on Rossi...he always looked like he could make it at Utd but there were probably 3-4 players ahead of him at any given time. In any case the clube got decent fees for both player so still ended well.
If we had kept Rossi around for the 06/07 season instead of sending him on that ill-fated Newcastle spell he would have gotten a lot of game time that season given we had to dip into the loan market to get Henrik Larson after Saha's injury.
Just unfortunate timing and a misplaced trust in Louis' ability to stay fit.