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People had unrealistic expectations.
He's a decent player, that's all.
He's a decent player, that's all.
So you're saying you see mid table and bottom half teams lining up to attack against top 6 teams on a regular basis?is that true though? the modern game now has moved to a system where full backs/wing backs are the source of many teams attacking threat down the wings. Having a pacey winger to counter that and also track is a useful option to have. Certainly v the big teams that isn't an issue. One of our main problems earlier in season in breaking down teams defending deep was our lack of creativity from central mid and lack of a central striker. We've seen the changes made recently that have started to address that. You will always get certain teams who will defend deep, but to suggest most teams do that I don't see that.
In recent years we've had a lot of teams do that actually. The better we get the less likely they will be to try it of course, but the fact you haven't seen many try it this season could be related to the counter attacking threat in our side, to which James certainly contributes. He's young and has time to add other aspects to his game, I was certainly pleasantly surprised by his crossing this year and his shooting earlier on in the season. I doubt he's going to be a top player for us but he seems like exactly the sort of squad player Fergie would have loved to have.So you're saying you see mid table and bottom half teams lining up to attack against top 6 teams on a regular basis?
Unlike Lingard his pace is electrifying.Hes a decent dribbler off the ball and over the course of the season,his crossing has gradually improved..Yeah,he’s probably not going to become a world class winger but he certainly has the ability to be a good,consistent PL winger....He’s definitely a fan favourite on here and I really don’t understand why.
In most games he’s absolutely anonymous. He was again today but Ole didn’t take him off. I think the last time he did anything of note was against Sheffield United away where he got an assist. That’s two months ago.
He lacks any movement off the ball. When he receives the ball not once does he use his pace to take on a man. Why doesn’t he run down the wing? He’s turned into Antonio Valencia. Receives the ball, stops and plays a safe sideways pass.
I don’t care if he only costs £20m I judge players on whether they are good enough to play for Manchester United. He doesn’t show enough for me. The biggest defence I see for him is ‘well he puts the effort in’. So does Lingard but we all know he’s shite. You need effort and quality. When was the last time he even crossed a ball into the box?
Pointless statistic unless it’s measured at exactly 50 attempted dribbles for each player.Just saw a statistic on Whoscored about Daniel James. He has the worst success rate (42.6%) in the premier league of all players to attempt 50+ dribbles.
hahaha what are you talking about mate. The best way to measure this is percentage, what good will it be to know James has 200 succesfull dribbles if you dont know 200 of how many?Pointless statistic unless it’s measured at exactly 50 attempted dribbles for each player.
Otherwise what if James is the type of player that attempts five times as many dribbles per game as the rest? The average needs to be measured fairly, not just every player who’s attempted ‘more than 50’
Thank you. you've made tbe point my brain is too tired to articulate at 2am.hahaha what are you talking about mate. The best way to measure this is percentage, what good will it be to know James has 200 succesfull dribbles if you dont know 200 of how many?
The minimun 50 attempts is to set a minimun sample, imagine defensive players with 10-15 attempts, their percentage would be really variable. Either really high or low.
For comparison purposes Adama Traore has the highest success dribble percentage with 74.2%
For the bolded part, that would mean James is dribbling far too often and his decision making is poor. Percentage is an accurate indicator of the "success rate" and the statistic is fair enough for me.Pointless statistic unless it’s measured at exactly 50 attempted dribbles for each player.
Otherwise what if James is the type of player that attempts five times as many dribbles per game as the rest? The average needs to be measured fairly, not just every player who’s attempted ‘more than 50’
I don’t know why it’s funny when you just proved my point in the bolded part.hahaha what are you talking about mate. The best way to measure this is percentage, what good will it be to know James has 200 succesfull dribbles if you dont know 200 of how many?
The minimun 50 attempts is to set a minimun sample, imagine defensive players with 10-15 attempts, their percentage would be really variable. Either really high or low.
For comparison purposes Adama Traore has the highest success dribble percentage with 74.2%
Such a weird statistic that clearly doesn't tell enough the story of how James played.Just saw a statistic on Whoscored about Daniel James. He has the worst success rate (42.6%) in the premier league of all players to attempt 50+ dribbles.
Need a sick emoji on here.Sell him
Keep Lingard
Not entirely sure but I think being fouled counts as a failed dribble.Such a weird statistic that clearly doesn't tell enough the story of how James played.
James is not a trick pony, he's small but quick & direct. He often being fouled a lot and won us lot of free kick which also includes in dangerous area & penalty. Being fouled and won us free kick & penalty will also decrease his dribbles success rate.
Mate, thats the way stats work. Lets compare it to pass percentage, its like you saying a midfielder with 60% success is not fair because he pass to much, and the number should be fixed to a certain number of passes, just doesnt make sense.I don’t know why it’s funny when you just proved my point in the bolded part.
The same rule goes both ways. Imagine a player who is very attack minded then compare them to somebody who is very defensive.
You need a fixed number of attempted dribbles to compare across the group.
And that should tell you why the success rate is 42.6%. Pointless stats that doesn't tell the whole story.Not entirely sure but I think being fouled counts as a failed dribble.
i dont think James is very good but this idea is even worse.Sell him
Keep Lingard
Dribbles/Take-onsAnd that should tell you why the success rate is 42.6%. Pointless stats that doesn't tell the whole story.
Am I missing something here?Dribbles/Take-ons
This is an attempt by a player to beat an opponent when they have possession of the ball. A successful dribble means the player beats the defender while retaining possession, unsuccessful ones are where the dribbler is tackled. Opta also collects attempted dribbles where the player overruns the ball with a heavy touch when trying to beat an opposition player.
Thats the defiition according to them. So I think being fouled doesnt count into the stat, I get your point about theoretically how many successfull dribbles were stopped by being fouled, but come on man, being the worst in the league? Its not like James is fouled in half the attempts he make.
Thats like saying a passer has poor passing stats because the receiver made a wrong movement, yeah it happens but it doesnt weight much into the overall statistic.
As others have pointed out those stats are affected by fouls etc, it’s a completely pointless stat.Mate, thats the way stats work. Lets compare it to pass percentage, its like you saying a midfielder with 60% success is not fair because he pass to much, and the number should be fixed to a certain number of passes, just doesnt make sense.
And most players with more than 50+ dribble attempts are attack minded, anyway your argument about Daniel James having such a poor dribble success rate because he dribbles a lot is invalid, I just look it up and he's not even on the top 50 with most attempts. He's the 69th player with most attempts.
He fulfil the role he was signed for, impact sub. The last thing tiring fullbacks will want is him running at them the last 15/20 minutes of gamesI like him but if in all honesty we get Grealish I'd prefer him as our back up left winger, never mind martial covering spaces if we get a poacher type striker too.
Definitely deserves time to improve though - but seems a bit similar to Sancho, a player who can play on both wings, is right footed, probably a bit better on the left but can play on the right too but Sancho is a different class. If Sancho and Grealish comes as well as another striker - I struggle to see where he fits unless he drops to wingback positions.
The volume of dribbles does not matter...Unless you are saying that dribbling ability either improves ord decreases beyond a certain number.I don’t know why it’s funny when you just proved my point in the bolded part.
The same rule goes both ways. Imagine a player who is very attack minded then compare them to somebody who is very defensive.
You need a fixed number of attempted dribbles to compare across the group.
Nope. You clearly don't understand how averages work. Averages and other measures of central tendency are the best way to even out outliers and, in this case, reveal a player's true level.As others have pointed out those stats are affected by fouls etc, it’s a completely pointless stat.
And I’m not arguing that it should be an even amount of attempts because I thought Dan James was attack minded, I just believe that if you take the average of x player who has attempted 200 dribbles and compare it with player Y who has 52 dribbles it’s going to give you an absolutely pointless comparison average.
I said I didnt knew if being fouled counted as a failed dribble, after research I see they dont. There’s a difference between being tackled and being fouled.Am I missing something here?
You said "I think being fouled counts as a failed dribble." So that means it should count as unsuccessful dribble.
You also said "unsuccessful ones are where the dribbler is tackled". Being fouled is also being tackled.
All of sudden you changed it to "doesn't count into the stats". And completely different to passing, poor passing doesn't make anything in return but giving the ball away. While player didn't make enough successful dribbles because he was fouled often means the player at least won the team something in return (free kick & penalty).
What is this research you are talking about? Show it then.I said I didnt knew if being fouled counted as a failed dribble, after research I see they dont. There’s a difference between being tackled and being fouled.
If he turns out to be as good as Robbie Keane with the amount we paid for him then that'd be a great signing.He is far from level of top class player, but he could be a Robbie Keane type of player for us.
Mate is the definition I posted, thats the definition of opta, I explained this already, fouled and tackled is not the same. A tackle is when the defender disposses the ball from the attacking player.What is this research you are talking about? Show it then.
When tackle doesn't hit the ball but the player instead and referee call it a foul, it's still a tackle. Not rocket science to know this. "Unsuccessful ones are where the dribbler is tackled". It's simple, if you dribbled the ball and being fouled due to poor tackle then it still counts.
It's a load of rubbish.Just seen a story that he may go on loan if we sign Sancho, Thoughts?
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...n-Sancho-Borussia-Dortmund-loan-transfers/amp
what a crap article. It actually says that James is unlikely to go on loan if we purchase Sancho.Just seen a story that he may go on loan if we sign Sancho, Thoughts?
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...n-Sancho-Borussia-Dortmund-loan-transfers/amp
There's a ESPN vid in there too with Gab Marcotti and Julien Laurens discussing James. Marcotti doesn't rate him at all and thinks we play better without him against the bad teams. Marcotti seems to be suggesting that he needs space to run into to be effective which he doesn't get against teams who defend deep..Just seen a story that he may go on loan if we sign Sancho, Thoughts?
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...n-Sancho-Borussia-Dortmund-loan-transfers/amp
So Dan can’t do the same? He was playing in the Championship not so long ago.I made a comparison (maybe earlier in this thread) that’s he’s like a new Aaron Lennon. He’ll have games where his pace terrifies a full back and he’s man of the match but the rest of the time he’s just a very average winger.
I don’t expect him to develop into much because generally his technique seems too poor for him to suddenly improve. Most players at 22-24 improve mostly through mental development not technique. They make better decisions, are more composed, less selfish and more determined.