He wouldn't be my first choice but if I could swap him with Moyes I would be ecstatic.
Unpopular Opinions Thread
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
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No matter what business you are in whether you are on £200 a week or £200,000 a week it has to stop somewhere and it will always be the one in charge who takes the flak.
I find this notion ridiculous to be honest as it suggests sir Alex is some sort of lunatic.
Here's an opinion so unpopular and outrageous that I will probably be chastised quite severely, but I just can't hold it in any longer. I think we need to sign a new central midfielder.
Not an unpopular opinion at all, most people would agree modern football has moved on from 442.
So do I.
1. Ryan Giggs should retire. Infact he should have left in 2011 along with Scholes, VDS and Gary Neville. His supporters like to point to his 2 good games a sesson as proof that he's still got it. I'd rather have the likes of Powell, Lingard as squad players.
2. When Fergie brought back Scholes Viera said it was a sign of desperation. However it was called a masterstroke by many of our fans. Scholes' comeback turned our season around even though City won the title. That move set us back in the long run. We had Pogba who was eager to play. He has said the return of Scholes and the infamous "midfield" against Blackburn made him decide to leave. He is now one of the best midfielders in the world at Juve. In the meantime we are forced to endure various combinations of Giggs, Rooney, Kagawa, Cleverly, Carrick, Jones, Anderson in midfield.
3. Welbeck is rubbish. He is never going to turn into a world class striker. He gets let of lightly because he is a local lad who came through the system.
2. When Fergie brought back Scholes Viera said it was a sign of desperation. However it was called a masterstroke by many of our fans. Scholes' comeback turned our season around even though City won the title. That move set us back in the long run. We had Pogba who was eager to play. He has said the return of Scholes and the infamous "midfield" against Blackburn made him decide to leave. He is now one of the best midfielders in the world at Juve. In the meantime we are forced to endure various combinations of Giggs, Rooney, Kagawa, Cleverly, Carrick, Jones, Anderson in midfield.
3. Welbeck is rubbish. He is never going to turn into a world class striker. He gets let of lightly because he is a local lad who came through the system.
The squad is full of players happy just to take their money home every week. There's no hunger left in them any more. Ferguson used to keep them chomping at the bit for more.
Yep. It certainly is.
yep that's true but if your current boss was brilliant at his job and you worked with him for years and suddenly he retired and was replaced by someone and your company didn't perform as well as it had done, who would get the blame .
I think he's too stubborn and won't want to admit that the last decision he made was a huge mistake and he will give him a long time to change things. I just hope that the owners overrule him and take things into their own hands if things aren't working.
There is also a bit of me who thinks Mourinho was his first choice but Mourinho made up his mind, so after he picked Moyes and just said it was a unanimous decision. Only a small feeling, but more likely is that we overlooked him.
Not saying he's a lunatic but as long as we finish top 5-10, even if we finish below top 10 for a season or two which won't happen (Moyes is a good enough manager to have his teams finish in top 5-9 every year) Fergie will be there to give Moyes backing and have his stay in his job. You don't agree with it, fair enough.
As successful As he would be I'd rather have a face transplant to look like Rooney than see him as our gaffer.
well i work for myself so i'd have to sack myself
but on a serious note, i know many companies where the people reporting to the 'brilliant boss' are shipped out because they don't do their stuff for the new boss.
that IS going to happen at United and there will be gnashing and grinding of teeth on here.
mark my words. the fact that the players just don't care enough and fight enough for Moyes is the most unpopular opinion on here.
Not sure how unpopular these are:
Jones is more useful to the team in midfield than in central defence
Valencia is better as a backup right back or a substitute right winger than as a starting right winger
Welbeck is a better forward than Kagawa
Ferguson did not leave Moyes a poor squad
Jones is more useful to the team in midfield than in central defence
Valencia is better as a backup right back or a substitute right winger than as a starting right winger
Welbeck is a better forward than Kagawa
Ferguson did not leave Moyes a poor squad
I think that we should try to convert our young midfielder Phil Jones into a centre back. Is it crazy, or is it visionary? Whilst we would undoubtedly miss Jones' technical ability in midfield, something tells me that his defensive attributes would make him well suited to becoming a CB.
Moyes is a terrible manager but his silver tongue and devilish good looks swayed the board to give him the United managership.
Here's one.
Fellaini will end up being a great player for United*
*not my opinion by the way but it is an unpopular opinion
Fellaini will end up being a great player for United*
*not my opinion by the way but it is an unpopular opinion
Unpopular opinions:
1. There's no way Moyes is going to pick Mata, Rooney, Januzaj and RvP at the same time in the way the caf wants. Valencia and Young will continue to play regularly. They also almost certainly won't be sold in the summer either.
2. Nani has always been overrated on the caf and still is. He really isn't all that good.
3. Evans is also overrated here.
4. Welbeck doesn't have as much innate ability as some would have you believe.
5. Fellaini won't be that bad once he's bedded in properly. He is actually underrated here now.
6. Instead of blaming either the manager or the players people should realise both have been terrible. Fixing just one of those areas won't solve anything so we'll probably be struggling for a while. Also, a lot of this is SAF's fault too.
7. We might not have beaten Real last year even if Nani hadn't been sent off. We were lucky to be ahead at that point. Plus even if we had beaten them we probably wouldn't have gone much further as we were playing like crap last year too.
1. There's no way Moyes is going to pick Mata, Rooney, Januzaj and RvP at the same time in the way the caf wants. Valencia and Young will continue to play regularly. They also almost certainly won't be sold in the summer either.
2. Nani has always been overrated on the caf and still is. He really isn't all that good.
3. Evans is also overrated here.
4. Welbeck doesn't have as much innate ability as some would have you believe.
5. Fellaini won't be that bad once he's bedded in properly. He is actually underrated here now.
6. Instead of blaming either the manager or the players people should realise both have been terrible. Fixing just one of those areas won't solve anything so we'll probably be struggling for a while. Also, a lot of this is SAF's fault too.
7. We might not have beaten Real last year even if Nani hadn't been sent off. We were lucky to be ahead at that point. Plus even if we had beaten them we probably wouldn't have gone much further as we were playing like crap last year too.
I watched the '96 FA cup final again at the weekend because I'm a sad bastard and even then before Keane was captain he was roaring at everyone, keeping them on their toes. In the 90th minute just after Cantona had scored the winner Cantona gave the ball away and Keane chased back, tackled the player and turned around and tore into Eric for giving it away. Who else would do that to their captain just after he's scored what will probably be the winner in the FA cup final!
My unpopular (but probably common) opinions would be;
- Hollywood balls to the wings when in loads of space does not make Rooney a good midfielder. By the time the winger chests it down and controls it the defense is organised again anyway. Most of the time they are pointless
- Moyes smiling so often pisses me off more than it probably should. Even at the very start last Summer I was thinking to myself that this is a serious job and he should look more ruthless. (I'm sure there's a ruthlessness in him behind the scenes so I know this isn't important but it still pisses me off)
Money is very relevant, especially when you choose Chelsea as your example. If they were unable to spend the money they do then they wouldn't be successful. City and Chelsea are able to throw huge money at any problem to achieve success. United, on the other hand, won't. Maybe in the short term but not in the long term. Therefore attempting to find stability at a club like United is very important. Just as it would be at Dortmund or other clubs like that. You can't change manager constantly if you are unable to fund their 'vision', which no doubt will be different to their predecessors.
Stick your plastic-club ideologies up your arse.
Hardly plastic-club ideologies, if you don't spend you fall behind. As Arsenal have proved.
You have taken two separate pieces of information and drawn a causal relationship between them based on nothing.
There is no reason to believe that Arsenal would have been better off if they changed their manager. If he had been given the same budget as Wenger, almost any other manager would most likely have failed miserably.
Also, Chelsea enjoyed great success under their first spell with Mourinho, winning two PL titles on the trot. They then sacked him because of their retarded way of hiring / sacking managers, and the following years they have won the PL a grand total of one time. Im pretty sure they would have won more PLs in those years if they had stuck with Mourinho.
Important addendum: I do not think we should give Moyes another season barring major improvements in the last third of the season.
- A season of hardship and shite will be good for the soul of the Caf and the club.
- The personel we lose this Summer will be the ones we need to lose.
- Fellaini will prove a successful member of our starting 11.
- We'll end up with 3 behind RVP.
- Dave will dig in and emerge triumphant.
- The personel we lose this Summer will be the ones we need to lose.
- Fellaini will prove a successful member of our starting 11.
- We'll end up with 3 behind RVP.
- Dave will dig in and emerge triumphant.
That's the spirit
Two unpopular opinions.
1) Madrid and Barca are bigger clubs than us.
2) We won't sign a world class player in the summer Fellainin qualities will be brought in.
1) Madrid and Barca are bigger clubs than us.
2) We won't sign a world class player in the summer Fellainin qualities will be brought in.
I agree here, yes. But this ideology that sticking with Moyes will breed success is a non starter, like you've said. Chelsea have proven that stability isn't key to success, for them anyway. Maybe it is different for us, maybe it isn't. We've been in an incredibly unique position of having the same manager for over two decades, only this new era will shine a light on what policy works best for us.
I agree. But unless you've got seriously big money to spend every season, then you need to try and stick by one manager who can build a team over time that will last for a number of years. Whilst that team is in decline, you've hopefully planned ahead and brought in the right replacements. That's where stability is important.
That is certainly an unpopular opinion, I'll grant you that.
I just don't know how much emphasis we can place on stability these days, most top managers move clubs every few years.
You've got it all mixed up. Nobody is saying that if you stick with Moyes it will bring success, just that he might take time to prove whether he can bring success. Two completely different things.
Probably true, but it wasnt your initial argument.
Would you sack a manager with a proven track list of results and trophies in Moyes' position? Someone like Mourinho, Guardiola or Ancelotti?
Would I personally, no. But a lot would. Some Arsenal fans have been calling for Wenger's head for years, which I thought was wrong. As for the suggestion would a different manager have brought success in the same baron period, probably not, no. But Wenger spent big in the summer on Özil, so lets see what they do.
Welbeck, Jones and Smalling are all overrated players that will never be important players in a title challenging squad.
Moyes' main failure is not about tactics or substitutions, but his glaring inability to make proven players perform to their standards. Not once does he put underperforming players out of the team or give youngsters a chance. Loaning out Zaha is the best example of this. Our wingers are performing like turds for months on end, and he sends away the one player we have who could probably give them a kick up their arse.
Our midfield is easily good enough to challenge the top 3, if we just stop playing an ancient form of 4-4-2
Moyes' main failure is not about tactics or substitutions, but his glaring inability to make proven players perform to their standards. Not once does he put underperforming players out of the team or give youngsters a chance. Loaning out Zaha is the best example of this. Our wingers are performing like turds for months on end, and he sends away the one player we have who could probably give them a kick up their arse.
Our midfield is easily good enough to challenge the top 3, if we just stop playing an ancient form of 4-4-2
We are in agreement then! Your first post made it seem like you think its a good strategy to sack managers that perform poorly quickly regardless of their name or track record,like Chelsea and City do. If Pellegrini had City out of the top 4 he would have been gone already.
That's impossible, considering there's 5 players, so you can't fit them 5 in a front 4.
knew someone would say it.No, my point addressed Moyes and this ideology that because he's been given time and the comfort of stability that he'll come good.
A good manager for a long time in a single club is usually better than changing a few good (equally good) managers during the same time. It is a very true and logical thing.
What I don't agree though, is that we should try with all costs to have a manager on long term without being sure on his other qualities. If he is good, he'll stay here. There are only a few clubs who are in equal stature to United, so if we don't sack him, he won't leave.
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