US Airstrikes in Venezuela - Maduro captured

antohan said:
2) Free oil shipments for Cuba that weren't happening stopped happening
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wasn't free. mutual relationship. cubans supported the venezuelan revolution and they used oil to support cuba in return.

it was a partnership. and i don't see the problem with giving a besieged cuba, ridiculous, as it goes, some oil to run its economy.

whatever of what occurs in venezuela, now, what has to happen is a serious effort re Maduro. you cannot accept that. you dislike this one, fine, but what about the next one? it's no way, entirely illegal, for obvious reasons, to do diplomacy.
 
neverdie said:
wasn't free. mutual relationship. cubans supported the venezuelan revolution and they used oil to support cuba in return.

it was a partnership. and i don't see the problem with giving a besieged cuba, ridiculous, as it goes, some oil to run its economy.
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In exchange for military cooperation and uberloyal guards. That's the sort of shit trade they usually do with zero benefit for the population... Similar with Russians taking over management of PDVSA, the lowest paid Russian expat (translator) earns in USD more than the most senior Venezuelans that have made a career in the state oil company and have stayed pegged to a worthless currency.

It's all jobs for the boys, "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours". That's of no benefit to the population, which has no freedom and also sees the economy implode under the weight of mismanagement. But yeah, let's blame the embargo.
neverdie said:
whatever of what occurs in venezuela, now, what has to happen is a serious effort re Maduro. you cannot accept that. you dislike this one, fine, but what about the next one? it's no way, entirely illegal, for obvious reasons, to do diplomacy.
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I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. I assume you mean seizing him? Good riddance to bad rubbish. I'm not worried about the precedent if it consistently fits the profile. If it doesn't, then I sure will complain. Is it "when" and not "if"? Maybe, maybe not, we don't really know.
 
antohan said:
In exchange for military cooperation and uberloyal guards. That's the sort of shit trade they usually do with zero benefit for the population... Similar with Russians taking over management of PDVSA, the lowest paid Russian expat (translator) earns in USD more than the most senior Venezuelans that have made a career in the state oil company and have stayed pegged to a worthless currency.

It's all jobs for the boys, "scratch my back and I'll scratch yours". That's of no benefit to the population, which has no freedom and also sees the economy implode under the weight of mismanagement. But yeah, let's blame the embargo.

I'm not sure I understand what you are saying here. I assume you mean seizing him? Good riddance to bad rubbish. I'm not worried about the precedent if it consistently fits the profile. If it doesn't, then I sure will complain. Is it "when" and not "if"? Maybe, maybe not, we don't really know.
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If you think that's normal diplomacy, you have no idea what you're talking about. It's gunboat colonialism.

I wouldn't justify that just because Maduro is this or that.
 
neverdie said:
If you think that's normal diplomacy, you have no idea what you're talking about. It's gunboat colonialism.

I wouldn't justify that just because Maduro is this or that.
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Of course it's not normal diplomacy. That consistently failed for years and was going to continue to do so.
 
Colonialism modern style.
 
Federal prosecutors have put together possible corruption and money laundering charges, and have communicated to Rodriguez that she is at risk of prosecution unless she continues to comply with Trump’s demands following the U.S. ouster of former Venezuelan leader Nicolas Maduro in January, the sources said.
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Redplane said:
Don't worry we ll parade the corpses and shackled broken bodies of our enemies behind Trump s chariot as it makes it way under his new DC victory arch for America s birthday. Followed by gladiatorial fights to the death for those survived.
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I could actually see that happening :o
 
A former Chevron executive told the CIA that replacing the Maduro regime with Machado would turn Venezuela into Iraq.
In the months before President Trump moved to capture Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro, the Central Intelligence Agency turned to an old friend for advice on who should replace the autocratic leftist.

Former Chevron executive Ali Moshiri told the agency that if the U.S. government tried to oust the entire Maduro regime and install the democratic opposition led by María Corina Machado it would have another quagmire like Iraq on its hands, according to people familiar with the matter. She didn’t have the support of the country’s security services or control of its oil infrastructure, Moshiri argued.
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Moshiri’s hidden hand in Washington spycraft, revealed here for the first time, offers a window into how Trump embraced the energy industry’s unsentimental playbook for dealing with autocratic regimes. And it marks a dramatic turnaround for Chevron’s prospects in Venezuela, where the company’s decision to stay invested during decades of political upheaval now leaves it with a strategic advantage as the oil begins to gush again.
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https://www.wsj.com/world/americas/...vLXSF1CkudRFitcLjxoNJhyM59TdylJzD21Soklby9Q==
 
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