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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    how about the dnc nominate a candidate who supports single payer? how about one who doesn't support trump on syria? how about one who doesn't refuse to vote for tax increases like grover norquist's other pets? how about the dnc stop with the "make trump furious" bullshit and actually stand for the things that their base wants?


    any democrat that doesnt support single payer can get fecked
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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    what is the point of attacking trump? is there anyone who hasnt long since made up their mind where they stand on him? is there any suburban white person (trumps base) that is going to change their mind becuase some fratboy millionaire democrat said mean things about him? trump won because he offered things to people who arent happy with their lives. he cant back them up but at least he offered something they wanted. hillary and the other neoliberal democrats offer nothing and refuse to learn their lesson. single payer is a popular idea. people vote for those who promise them things they like.
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    langster DJ Stink mouth, so soppy few pints very wow! Scout

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    Exactly. I was sat there thinking how absurd the whole thing was. A guy rips in to a historically Republican seat by 20 points and Anderson Cooper is suggesting he was too polite and cordial then suggesting maybe he should have ripped in to Trump more.

    Batshit.
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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    when will democrats stop trying to chase the center? suburban republicans will never vote for them. they voted for bush the second time. they voted for a guy who put sarah palin a heartbeat from the presidency. the voted for a guy who admitted to sexual assault on tape. they voted for the guy who attacked a reporter. they voted for a guy who compared himself to david duke.

    they will never vote for a democrat. imagine having a democratic party that actually did the things democrats wanted instead of chasing the votes of people who will never change their mind.
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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    i screwed that up because i dont quite understand how twitter works
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    Mciahel Goodman Worst Werewolf Player of All Times Staff

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    The Democrat mainstream seems remarkably similar to New Labour under Blair. Neoliberal domination of a party that should be (or at least, traditionally has been) to the left. I don't know how well the comparison holds up more generally, but Sanders' style of socialist democracy is the way forward imo. He's the most popular political figure in the American landscape and many of his ideas aren't as feared as American commentators thought they would be (redistribution of wealth, etc).

    One thing Sanders offered which Clinton never really did (well, she did, but you had to really look to find it), and that's an actual distinction between the left and the right.
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    FCBarca Mes que un Rag

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    Not sure there's a real need to distinguish US politics of the non-Trump variety, they are more similar than people care to acknowledge - only few truly set themselves apart like Bernie or my own personal fav., Barbara Lee
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    Eboue nasty little twerp with crazy bitter-man opinions

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    if you dont care about details of us politics maybe this isnt the thread for you
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    langster DJ Stink mouth, so soppy few pints very wow! Scout

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    Yup. 100% And that's what @Eboue was saying too.

    I think you should go further.

    Any human against single payer should go feck themselves.
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    Fergies Gum Full Member

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    Gutted that Ossoff never won :(

    Was always going to be tough, but thought he would pull it off.

    Plenty of positives though. The Dems went from 38% in 2016 to 48% last night.
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    Fergies Gum Full Member

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    The other race in South Carolina which barely got any attention was even more positive.

    Republicans won the district in 2016 by 21 points and yesterday won by only 3 points.
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    CNN making it out to be a massive blow to Democrats and general doom and gloom
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    Fergies Gum Full Member

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    Have they said much about the South Carolina result?

    That result and the narrow win was the biggest surprise of last night.
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    Drifter American

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    Yes . But they glossed over that pushing the narrative that Dems had lost all four special elections.
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    senorgregster Last Newbie Standing

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    Why do they keep quoting Trump Clinton numbers on these special elections? They should be quoting the numbers of the actual candidates. Trump didn't win the GA6 house seat by 1%! Price won it 62 to 38 or by 24%! This really isn't a terrible outcome. Huge swing from 24 to 4%.
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    Near impossible to trot out a far left leaning candidate in the Southern region.
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    Tbh local politics isn't driven by ideology. Personal relationship matters much more (local newspapers, talk radio etc...). You can champion single payer healthcare or other left wing policies if you are well known and well regarded by the electorate.

    This is the age of personality politics.
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    Partially agree. I've lived in the Southern US most of my life and there's certainly more than just personality and relationships that see Republican after Republican elected in this region (outside predominantly black areas) - ideology. It's a driven and ingrained belief that Democrats are atheist, socialist, elitist anti-Americans that want to take away their guns and usher in Sharia law and homosexual pride. Oh, and kill babies.
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    Red Dreams Full Member

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    Sanders was popular in the Mid-West. He would have won easy.
    Its not necessary to carry the South. Only the Mid-West.

    EDIT: And he was pro-gun, though with sensible background checks.
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    Talking lower level and congressional races not presidential. A far left leaning candidate in this region would need to a visible profile and/or a charisma to pull independents, switch voters, and new voters.

    Sanders was a populist candidate, and possibly a one-off along the lines of Perot and Trump. He very likely would have beaten Trump if he had secured the DNC nomination.
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    There is no doubt he would be President if he had been nominated.

    He would have carried all the Rust belt States.
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    I'd like to shit all over Mark Halperin.

    That is all.
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    Red Dreams Full Member

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    Halpren's analysis are shit on a stick normally.
    Ignore.

    The other day he was quite 'offended' that Pelosi was not a bit more concerned about Trump's health.

    almost threw up.
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    Listening to GPB (Georgia Public Broadcasting) 'Political Rewind' this afternoon and a great segment came up on the panel. I didn't catch the guest names but one was a former congressman from the Atlanta* area and another sounded like Jack Kingston. Anyhow, they all brought up Nancy Pelosi as possibly one person that the DNC should consider pushing out of power but that the DNC and supporting base love her. That her name still resonates negatively in GOP base circles and independents. Although the panel agreed that the closeness of this race (and the race in SC with hardly any money or national coverage) did indeed reflect negative on Trump, that Pelosi's name is still stuck to the prior administration, the triumvirate of Obama-Reid-Pelosi, and that voters have this dislike of her (mostly driven through a right-wing spectrum, obviously, but still exists). It was discussed briefly that perhaps the DNC should make the difficult move.

    http://gpbnews.org/programs/political-rewind - I find this the most sensible political discussion available. There's no bullshit hyperbole, no agendas, no asshats - just legit analysts, journalists, former politicians, etc.

    * This former congressmen explained how D6 came to be so, that it was gerrymandering to lure Gingrich to an affluent, heavily populated white district to defeat the DNC stronghold and put pressure on then Governor Carter (and Busbee thereafter).
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    Red Dreams Full Member

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    this was the substance of the leadership challenge from Tim Ryan of Ohio.

    some validity there.
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    Fergies Gum Full Member

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    I think one thing that needs to change is the attention and resources being given to particular local races. The fact that the SC election was the real surprise, despite it getting no coverage and significantly less donations compared to the other race shows low key races are the way forward.

    Also, i suspect a lot of the voters (independents) in the district get annoyed and put off when they hear that the overwhelming majority of donations for a candidate come from residents in California.

    Another thing that doesn't help is the Hollywood industry getting involved. It never worked for Hillary, so you'd think they would have learned their lessons by now.
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    Agree with all the criticisms of Pelosi. If the Dems want to win they need to create a new message/brand and Pelosi is basically a posterchild for the bland old establishment.
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    rules out Newsom for 2020 also.
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    I'd say divorcing themselves from the Clintons would be priority #1, but, yeah, Pelosi will have to go at some point.
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    Newsom is nothing like Pelosi in terms of brand. At a national level he's fresh.
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    Red Dreams Full Member

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    The man sounds a great candidate.
    But he will affect down ticket even if he wins. The "San Francisco liberal" label will work against him.

    Axelrod ignored Blue color white workers.
    They cannot do that if they want to take back the house.

    EDIT:

    There does need to be a clean break with the Clintons too as mentioned above. Too much baggage.
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    Dems need to start peddling the GOP talking points: economy and jobs stuff. Works for the GOP tricking fools into votes, should work for the Dems.
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    fishfingers15 Contributes to username and tagline changes

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    What happened to the Montana candidate that Bernie campaigned for a lot? Is that the end of the 50 state campaign pushed by the Bernie faction?
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    Jon Ossoff Continues Corporate Democrat Losing Streak

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    Red Dreams Full Member

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    exactly tie every Republican candidate to the pussy grabber.
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    Came across this one. Chilling how he just predicted everything 6 years ago.
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    what he said is exactly what I have been thinking since my disillusionment with Obama. Both parties are owned by corporations. And the DNC is still running centrists...of course. And if they do that again in 2020 they will lose...again.

    You have to run as a true progressive. To the left. With specific issues like Sanders did.
    Corbyn has shown the way in the UK too.