Van der Vaart on Maguire
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Sure, I'm not judging him on individual games. I'm happy with him as a signing, though I preferred Koulibaly at the time and thought we were absolutely taken to the cleaners by Leicester. Like I say, a better all around defense and he'll look better.
I'm sure Harry gives a massive shit about what some Dutch no mark who failed not only at the only big club he joined, but also in the PL, thinks.
It balances the squad in my opinion, Shaw and AWB offer enough going forward that it isn't damaging our attacking output. And call me old fashioned but a defender's main attribute should be his defensive nouse. Also having your fullbacks more defensive aware offers the attackers much more freedom in tracking back and sacrificing their output.
At current time we are scoring 7 goals for every goal conceded, doesn't sound to defensive to me.
It's just your typical arrogant Dutch football mentality.
The last time I checked our defence created as many assists as Digne. Add that we played Fred, McT and James in midfield and that's very defensive. Don't forget that Pogba-Bruno-Greenwood is a relative new thing
An easy no-nonsense performance from the captain today yet again, another 90 minutes.
No doubt this thread and those like it will be bumped in a few games time when a fast attacker beats him for pace.
He is a quality CB, no player has everything, and what he brings to the side far outweighs being a bit slow on the turn.
No doubt this thread and those like it will be bumped in a few games time when a fast attacker beats him for pace.
He is a quality CB, no player has everything, and what he brings to the side far outweighs being a bit slow on the turn.
He seems a bit of a twat.
Not sure I am picking up your point? Why would we need assists from our defence when we have just hit 100 goals for the season?
On your comment about our midfield, do you honestly think them 3 would have played as often as they did if Pogba, Tony and Rashy weren't injured for parts of the season?
We are in fine stead, one of the best defensive records in the league, the most potent attack since lockdown without assist from defence shows it isn't needed. People just think every fullback should be Trent or Robertson going forward when the evidence is here, at our own club, that you don't.
Mate, it's spelt Maguire, it's right in front of you!
I haven't been Maguire's biggest fan these but these are stupid and classless comments that says more about him than about Maguire.
Just another ex footballer who thinks they can make a name for themselves in the commentary world if they say something outlandish or cause some shock.
If Van Der Fart had put as much energy into his own career as he does talking nonsense about others, maybe he would have done well at a top club.
If Van Der Fart had put as much energy into his own career as he does talking nonsense about others, maybe he would have done well at a top club.
There's criticism and then there's being a right twerp like Van der Vaart. He should learn some humility and class. Though it's probably too late.
Would love to see him have the balls to say this to Maguire in his face. Would probably run away asap after doing so.
Would love to see him have the balls to say this to Maguire in his face. Would probably run away asap after doing so.
Van der Vaart being a cnut, shocker.
Just a tad bit over the top I’d say.
Seems a random and overly personal criticism.
What does Andy van der Meyde think about Wan Bisakka? What does John Heitinga think about Dan James?
What does Andy van der Meyde think about Wan Bisakka? What does John Heitinga think about Dan James?
Assists from defence had been instrumental since the 90s. FBs are expected to stretch defences wide creating spaces for the wingers to go inside and do damage. Anyway that's not the point. The point is that when you consider that we played with a 4 defensive defenders + Fred, McT and James in CM throughout most of the season our goal conceding stats is hardly spectacular. Its worse to what he had 2 seasons ago and 3 seasons ago + its just 1 goal better then Shitty who desperately need a CB and Leicester who have supposed missed Maguire in their team. Therefore your argument that Mcguire's contribution has been somehow reflected in our stats simply don't hold water.
It goes beyond that.
Harry Maguire worked his socks off to be where he is. Is he anywhere near as talented as Van Der Vaart? No. But does Harry have a far superior mentality? Yes.
Van Der Vaart went to Madrid and did NOTHING. Nobody remembers he even played there. Just like the many nobodies who play in big clubs. Julien Faubert anyone?
Maguire went from League 1 in 2014 to England and Manchester United CB in 6 years. He's not the best in the world, but he's a fine player who with a better partner can flourish.
Rafael Van Der Faart's career can be described as just that... loose wind.
Van Der Vaart went to Madrid and did NOTHING. Nobody remembers he even played there. Just like the many nobodies who play in big clubs. Julien Faubert anyone?
Maguire went from League 1 in 2014 to England and Manchester United CB in 6 years. He's not the best in the world, but he's a fine player who with a better partner can flourish.
Rafael Van Der Faart's career can be described as just that... loose wind.
Not by a great deal, it’s like two bald blokes arguing over a comb. VdV has a couple of Dutch league titles and cups and a Spanish Supercopa. If Maguire doesn’t end up topping or matching that I think we’ll all be disappointed.
What?! He’d walk into EVERY big team in England!
Yes lets forget playing in a world cup final, winning golden boy. Hes career has been better. Of course lets see if Maguire can do better but it is currently by a great deal
Maguire has been brilliant. Some people just don't actually watch games is my conclusion. Nobody cares if you get done once every five games if you keep clean sheets in the other four. Our record is great with De gea in terrible form
Name one team in the league he wont get in to.
Love this piece of football history...
https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/...us-feuds-with-mido-and-van-der-vaart-at-ajax/
https://thesefootballtimes.co/2019/...us-feuds-with-mido-and-van-der-vaart-at-ajax/
He’s made mistakes but he’s been overall a big improvement and has brought a ton of stability and leadership to our back line and team in general. We’ve conceded 6 goals in 17 games unbeaten, yet you have this bellend sticking the boot in because he let someone get past him? United fans having a go at Maguire need to sort themselves out, we can be critical on our own terms but when some Spud cnut wants to have a go we should defend our own.
Now I really want to know this.
I said other top teams. The only top teams right now and Liverpool and City, and although he’d get into their current set ups I guarantee if you asked them would they take him as a starter they’d say they wanna buy better, especially for the money.
You all honestly think Maguire is world class? He’s been a great purchase and he’d work well alongside another world class centreback, but feck me talk about rose tinted glasses. We could and should do better - luckily for Maguire there’s another centre back spot we can upgrade on instead.
I can understand criticism but it's gotten into abuse territory a bit. Weird from VDV.
Nothing to do with Wan Bissaka replacing Young I suppose
Who? Said what? He can better talk about his wife.
It says a lot about Van Der Vaart as a man that he would talk about someone like that, regardless of his opinion about Maguire, there's a way that people in the spotlight should speak about fellow professionals. VDV sounds like a bitter jealous hater fan, it's pathetic.
Zlatan “If you (VDV) accuse me again, I’ll break both your legs, and that time it will be on purpose,” Woah
Why do people get so worked up over how much we pay for British players?
And our fullbacks do stretch the play, Shaw and AWB always offer us width, it's why mason and Rashford can sit so much closer to Martial when we are in the opponent's half, but as you said, off subject.
Firstly, when has James ever played CM for us? And since when has he been a defensive player?
Also you re-using the same argument about 2 seasons ago, when comments before I showed why that's invalid as our whole team never left their half for long periods of games under Jose and we refused to attack after scoring a goal. If you can not see the defensive advantage of having 11 men behind the ball, compared to trusting your defence like we do now, or relying on DDG every game like we did under Jose and LVG, then I get where your view is coming from, it's just not right at all in my opinion.
Best to agree to disagree.
No one is worked up but as to british players being wildly overpriced, watch Maguire; the answer is self evident.
We overpaid cos it was an immediate need for a ball playing CB to instill Ole's football, ie playing from the back. He was the only available option then. End of/.
I'll just break it down in terms of value of our overpaid amount vs expectation vs reality, regardless of VDV comment.
Our overpaid value: 80m
Our expectation: 55-60m worth of performance
Reality so far: 40-50m worth of performance
Depends on how you see its, 40-50m worth of performance is still better than our other CB options (Lindelof 30m, Bailey 20m, Rojo 15m, Jones 10m etc), so our defence still improve with him.
Its unfair to compare with VVD, as VVD is like Liverpool hitting jackpot, which is rare.
Liverpool paid value: 75m
Expectation: 55-60m
Reality: 120m
Our overpaid value: 80m
Our expectation: 55-60m worth of performance
Reality so far: 40-50m worth of performance
Depends on how you see its, 40-50m worth of performance is still better than our other CB options (Lindelof 30m, Bailey 20m, Rojo 15m, Jones 10m etc), so our defence still improve with him.
Its unfair to compare with VVD, as VVD is like Liverpool hitting jackpot, which is rare.
Liverpool paid value: 75m
Expectation: 55-60m
Reality: 120m
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He s always kinda been one I feel. Wonder what the results would be if they d take a poll on what former teammates think of him.
While he may have a point his incessant need to make things personal is out of line.
Not being as good as VvD isn’t embarrassing; but labouring on a Maguire & bringing in stuff from off the pitch is small time.
This is exactly why I consume punditry with a pinch of salt; it’s so agenda driven.
Not being as good as VvD isn’t embarrassing; but labouring on a Maguire & bringing in stuff from off the pitch is small time.
This is exactly why I consume punditry with a pinch of salt; it’s so agenda driven.