His disciples would have you believe that he invented football
Van Gaal
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
You can always have private conversation. It's not really hard, if you want uninterrupted thread to praise Van Gaal.
Essentially a fan fiction thread.
You used up all your material under your old username, Kinderbueno or something similar I believe.
Fact or fiction remains merely in the eyes of the beholder. What is fact to one is likely fiction to others.
So was LvG a success or not? It's all rather confusing.....
Yeah, its not like its just one short phone call to say, these three players have agreed. Do you want to sign them?
Oh wait:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ster-United-sign-Luke-Shaw-Ander-Herrera.html
Poor LVG having these players thrust on him and not having any way to stop it from happening
So your scenario is that the board agree deals with Herrera, Shaw and Kroos. But then Kroos was away at world cup and thus the board fcked it up and Kroos instead went to Madrid and LVG was disappointed as the board thrusted two players onto LVG.
Or the more likely scenario is that the board agree three signings whilst Moyes was there, Moyes then went/sacked and then LVG was given the list, and he agreed two of the three whilst he vetoes Kroos:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...ster-united-interest-toni-kroos-bayern-munich
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport...s-cristiano-ronaldo-gareth-bale-a7493191.html
So basically its either whats been reported, and what numerous people have said here / hasnt been denied by anybody.
OR
Its your made up scenario which makes LVG come off in a better light. Hmm, I wonder which one it is?
Maybe I need to type: COLD FACTS. Maybe that underlines it better
Right, so how many of LVGs were hits and how many were misses?
Ironic.
You know things are bad, when you need to defend LVG by bringing another manger into it. And calling Jose, 'my god'.
Jose was a failure just like LVG. They were both expensive failures that were not suited for United. But the funny thing is Jose won more in his first season than LVG. And finished higher in his second season than LVG did in his second season.
If we compare the two seasons directly, Jose got us CL football twice and two trophies, with dull football.
LVG got us CL once, and one trophy with dull and boring football.
You making up scenarios and passing them off facts to defend LVG is just too funny.
No, no, youre doing it wrong. Look at his what his post is referring to and the foundations. Its because of LVG that Barca dominated, Bayern won the treble and thus Spain dominated and thus Germany won the world cup. What a man.
Haha perfect summarization of this thread.
His fans are inventing things out of their mind and forcing us to believe it actually happened as if we weren't following United in his era.
This thread is perfect fan-fiction. LVG is the reason Barca dominated, Bayern dominated, is the reason youth get promoted, is the reason Spain and then Germany were so good at international football.
Just a shame the board, other players, his players, and his signings were letting him down cos hes clearly not at fault.
They are talking to us as if we are newbies to football and started watching the sport recently so they can invent things and tell us they happened. Sorry folks, we aren't some random people on Twitter you can invent things out of your mind and convince them they are true.
All these fans who thought Jose was a great manager to go after LVG have the balls to say this is a fan fiction thread
All us LVG fans are doing is gladly smiling at the fact that post Jose we look less of a club than before
Love it. A fan fiction it is in both ways - one makes mistakes and then pretends like it never happened or never supported it
Love LVG & it's funny how that gets people so agitated on a LVG thread they just can't leave us be and need to tell us how we were wrong without ever coming to the fact that their post operation of United after LVG was disastrous.
Some fans are ultimately just Woodward version - going from LVG to Jose was a non footballing decision & some fans still think it was a good decision.
All us LVG fans are doing is gladly smiling at the fact that post Jose we look less of a club than before
Love it. A fan fiction it is in both ways - one makes mistakes and then pretends like it never happened or never supported it
Love LVG & it's funny how that gets people so agitated on a LVG thread
they just can't leave us be and need to tell us how we were wrong without ever coming to the fact that their post operation of United after LVG was disastrous. Some fans are ultimately just Woodward version - going from LVG to Jose was a non footballing decision & some fans still think it was a good decision.
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So you are enjoying ManUtd struggling?All us LVG fans are doing is gladly smiling at the fact that post Jose we look less of a club than before
LVG was awful. Like really really bad. But at least I felt like we were working towards something. Our team was solid defensively and we dominated games quite often, even though we didn't create any chances. Considering how the last 2 years have gone, it would be interesting (and I use this word extremely loosely) to see how his team would look like now.
Not enjoying it as such - but when people like to bark at us for being blind - we happily turn around once in a whilst to tell you we told you so
Told what? That Van Gaal took theatre of dreams literally and put fans to sleep?Not enjoying it as such - but when people like to bark at us for being blind - we happily turn around once in a whilst to tell you we told you so
Wish these manager/player fans feck off.
In my version of 2016/17 with one more year of LVG, Rooney the Captain has morphed into Xavi reincarnate and become our midfield dynamo. Ashley ‘total football’ Young is a sight to behold switching effortlessly between RB and striker. Gegenpress and Tiki-Taka are confined to history it’s now all about passing the ball sideways in the centre of the pitch and now all our fans get it and Old Trafford is buzzing. The foundations for Premier Leaguse, Champions Leagues and World Cups we’re laid without people even knowing.
Back to reality, LVG spent fortunes and left behind a mess, a squad that needed and overhaul and a complete reset by his successor. Exact same thing can be said about Jose. Through a combination of their poor choices, lack of suitability for the job and being let down by the players and the club they were both expensive failures.
I'm sure Van Gaal is the reason why Ajax are in semi finals for CL and France winning WC.
I can foresee that in 2 years you can substitute LVG or Jose with Ole.
Absolutely love it.
I loved watching the end of that second season with wingbacks like TFM, Varela and CBj. We now have Young there because even without giving them a chance Jose chucked them out
Jose In these fans said
Season actually ended with Rojo at LB and Valencia and RB. TFM, Varela and CBJ all ended it where they began, not even on the bench. LVG bottled giving these guys their chance by ditching them for the same no hopers who Jose stuck with and who Ole may even stick with as well.Absolutely love it.
I loved watching the end of that second season with wingbacks like TFM, Varela and CBj. We now have Young there because even without giving them a chance Jose chucked them out
Jose In these fans said
LVG seemed Zaha, Keane not good enough and promoted Blackett ahead of everyone else. They were both guilty of bad decisions.
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Sadly that is the most likely outcome at this stage.
What are you talking about the last game we played had CBj as our LB?
I'm not going to talk about Keane but Zaha clearly didn't settle in at United under different managers and looked much like Moyes - a rabbit in headlights. Everyone knew he was capable of good quality football& that's why we bought him - but we bought him to early and was a player in massive confidence issues. Keane is someone we could use but hardly a player we need to be crying over either because Blind was and is better.
Its funny isnt it? LVG pretty much dumped some of these youngsters out himself. Did Varela even play again after the Liverpool second leg Europa match? TFM had 10 appearances under LVG second season and 11 under Jose first season. (whether it was injuries or whatever, however I do wish he was kept around).
He brought in Mcnair, love, blackett, etc but pretty much dumped them out once players started to recover.
He played CBj in the last game and had these players in the subs the games before that atleast.
He was at United for 2 years so gave players a chance almost on a treadmill like basis due to his short squad numbers rule. Some players did well when given the chance - some failed to impress. Out went McNair & Blackett. A player like CBj didn't have a single bad game for us and was impressing every game - only to be stopped soon as Jose came.
The love for Jose and his tactics and his mind is strong in these people. Again Woodward made mistakes but people never seem to remember them supporting Woodward to make those changes themselves
Check the last LVG team before he was sacked and you will see none made the bench.
Fair enough we had better players, Zaha didn’t fit in. So should Jose be criticised for letting go a player who has struggled at Leeds and Wolves or one who has struggled at Palace and Fulham?. Has Varela been a success elsewhere?. It’s an odd logic you apply.
He did build the new foundations at Ajax in Blind. He has been the key piece in that Ajax team. Without him they would have been out in the group stage.
This is the problem with LVGs fans. They keep watching our old games under LVG and falls to sleep. Then they start getting dreams about LVG and his footbal which doesn't make any sense.
Yeah it seems strange he dumped them as quickly as they were called up but that’s what they were there for to fill gaps. Felt sorry for CBJ as don’t remember him putting foot wrong but his career has gone downhill ever since.
He was a success alright. At making people believe he was a football genius who needed a very specific set of players to perform. A genius who knew how he wanted to play even though he tinkered a lot and his signing were shite. But nothing was his fault, it was all Woodward, the players, the weather, the stars, Mourinho, Jesus, but never LVG. Not confusing at all.
Disliking LVG does not equate to Jose as much as you and other LVG lovers proclaim.
He played CBj in the last game and had these players in the subs the games before that atleast.
He was at United for 2 years so gave players a chance almost on a treadmill like basis due to his short squad numbers rule. Some players did well when given the chance - some failed to impress. Out went McNair & Blackett. A player like CBj didn't have a single bad game for us and was impressing every game - only to be stopped soon as Jose came.
The love for Jose and his tactics and his mind is strong in these people. Again Woodward made mistakes but people never seem to remember them supporting Woodward to make those changes themselves
Both were failures.
Dont mind that and I would in a way prefer that to now. But it should be extended where if the youth perform well, keep them in and give them a good run. One mistake shouldnt see them replaced automatically, cos how can they bounce back, and pretty much 'the experienced players' were letting us down more so.
That’s the name I was trying to remember! Defo him
All these fans who thought Jose was a great manager to go after LVG have the balls to say this is a fan fiction thread
All us LVG fans are doing is gladly smiling at the fact that post Jose we look less of a club than before
Love it. A fan fiction it is in both ways - one makes mistakes and then pretends like it never happened or never supported it
Love LVG & it's funny how that gets people so agitated on a LVG thread
Some fans are ultimately just Woodward version - going from LVG to Jose was a non footballing decision & some fans still think it was a good decision.
Lvg laid the foundations for Ajax success by planting his seed in the bellies of the mothers of current players
Jose was bad. But seriously you’d need to be mental to think LVG was better. He literally turned me off football for a year
Conjecture!
Yeah a few pages back someone called him out (might have been yourself) on fact he stated he’d been educating us on LVG for years despite only being a member since 2018 and jogged my memory. He was either called that or Home&Away, can’t remember which.
Posts are same subject matter, same tone and even the same over use of emojis if memory serves me correctly.
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Yeah I agree nothing wrong with it but then if they step up back them and make other players work their way back in (especially when it’s Darmian and Rojo).
In a cruel twist of fate he even laid the foundations for his own sacking by retaining Jose as assistant manager at Barca and furthering his career.
You're welcome. That is how fan fiction works