Then why did the referees and the KMI panel indicate they got the Amad penalty decision correct if using your hands isn't a part of football?
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Then why did the referees and the KMI panel indicate they got the Amad penalty decision correct if using your hands isn't a part of football?
Ironic that DCL used his hand to grab Martinez in the same incident. By the neck.
Refs are shit and inconsistent? I certainly won't argue against that.
He was challenging for the ball and there was no force - thank you for that
Top of the table disagrees.
Yeah sure but an inconsistent take on two different incidents within the same few seconds of footage, reviewed umpteen times by two different officials is pissing United fans off today. Which is fair enough?
Mate he struck him across the face with a decent amount of force. You can’t compare it to a challenge after a shot at goal as that isn’t even close to what happened. How on earth would the game be stopped more?
DCL doesn’t have to smash Yoro, he extends his arm and deliberately does it.
Explain to me exactly how it isn’t a foul?
Exactly. Not one but two different reasons - written in the fecking rules! - why Martinez should not have been sent off. And all after they had as much time as they needed to analyse slow motion footage of the incident. And people are still defending the decision?! Madness.
You just lost at home to Leeds and were on the end of a shocking ref decision so I totally get the frustration.
You're all moaning about the wrong ref decision though in my eyes.
Two shocking decisions.
It's a fair clothesline, perfectly fine.
I presume United will appeal the red card, it won’t do any good, but surely we have to lodge a complaint on principle.
No doubt the FA will close ranks behind the refs but if we don’t complain about it then that’s on us.
To paraphrase Edmund Burke, all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
No doubt the FA will close ranks behind the refs but if we don’t complain about it then that’s on us.
To paraphrase Edmund Burke, all it takes for evil to succeed is for good men to do nothing.
At the game, live in the moment I felt we deserved everything we got.
I’ve been able to look through it all this morning and goodness me. I’m not convinced the result does change as Leeds were pretty good for the entire first half, but that first goal cannot stand…and this is 50 odd minutes before the red card where there a foul before the supposed violent conduct.
Once again, the referees come out with the headlines and it deflects from a poor performance…but it’s one of those occasions where the negative press towards PGMOL needs to be heightened. The inconsistency and the need to make an example when it comes to a United player is irritating. If DCL had tugged Leny Yoro’s locks I absolutely guarantee you it wouldn’t have even been a yellow.
I’ve been able to look through it all this morning and goodness me. I’m not convinced the result does change as Leeds were pretty good for the entire first half, but that first goal cannot stand…and this is 50 odd minutes before the red card where there a foul before the supposed violent conduct.
Once again, the referees come out with the headlines and it deflects from a poor performance…but it’s one of those occasions where the negative press towards PGMOL needs to be heightened. The inconsistency and the need to make an example when it comes to a United player is irritating. If DCL had tugged Leny Yoro’s locks I absolutely guarantee you it wouldn’t have even been a yellow.
Ironically, I think the referee also made a really poor call, when he booked a Leeds player for diving. Seemed like he had in the back of his mind that he had given one to Cunha, so he had to also give one the other way. Looked like one of those where the player jumps out of the way and falls, without necessarily looking to simulate a foul.
I think DCL gets away with it because Yoro is soft and his lack of protests after being smashed in the side of the neck with an elbow probably makes the ref and the Var team think yep nothing there.
If he lies in a heap on the ground screaming he probably gets a free kick.
If he lies in a heap on the ground screaming he probably gets a free kick.
He did exactly the same thing shortly after to Casemiro and a foul was given.
If that's not a foul my question would be what would DCL have to physically do in that situation to actually foul Yoro? What extra is required?
About time we had a manager who calls out shit decisions against us.
The DCL one on Yoro before their first 100% gets called back if it was down the other end we've seen this pattern for a while now especially when it's certain refs involved.
Was this even checked by VAR? It's a clear foul, I just thought the ref made a bad call but didn't see VAR taking a look.
Are you saying there is some sort of conspiracy against Man Utd when it comes to refereeing decisions?
More than the Martinez red it's the inconsistency that does you. 2 games in a row where VAR has chosen to not interfere with decisions that have gone against us but then out of nowhere they advice a red for a situation no one would have given a feck about if they didn't get involved. It's just utterly bizarre stuff.
The level of refs is at an all time low, there was a moment in the first half when Mazaroui has the ball around the Leeds box and he gets clearly pulled back by the defender. The assistant ref is like 2 yards away and just chooses to ignore it. We didn't even get to see the possible foul on Bruno before the second goal. I feel like refs come into the games with preconceived ideas and then ref the games based on that.
I don't always understand the decisions. The Bournemouth one with Amad was a bit weird to me. BUT... The refs don't have all night to decide these things. Sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you don't. I don't believe there are people actively trying to hurt Man Utd.
Even if there is, we probably still owe our opponents a fair bit of decisions from waaaay back in the good ol' Mike Riley era.
Even if there is, we probably still owe our opponents a fair bit of decisions from waaaay back in the good ol' Mike Riley era.
No but there is a clear consistency issue in how they are using the rules. And it seems to change from game to game.
That we can agree on. But, I don't think being a ref is easy. A lot of situations look similar, but there are always tiny differences.
It is funny that some football fans have accepted his supposed 'hard line' for pulling hair, regardless of force or intention, but smashing someone in the head with your elbow.. play on!
Hair pulling is a bitch move but elbow smashing is manly and cool.
Tierney has been the worst ref in the league since he came through. I don’t always notice refs but he in particular is weak and a lazy sod. He clearly doesn’t have the stamina to keep up with games and is always slowing it down to catch a breather or too far away from the action to see what’s happening.
He’s a disgrace and I don’t know why more isn’t made about how bad he is.
He’s a disgrace and I don’t know why more isn’t made about how bad he is.
He's not even proper bald but shaves it off.
"with force" it says. There was no force at all. He also was challenging for the ball so they can't even interpret their own rules correctly.
Why is it that people keep posting about the law clearly haven't read the law?
I mean the force part of it is subjective even though most seem to think it was minimal but there's no doubt that he was challenging for the ball.
I mean the force part of it is subjective even though most seem to think it was minimal but there's no doubt that he was challenging for the ball.
There shouldn't be a defense given of "some times there given and sometimes there not" that's a joke in and of itself, inconsistency especially when it swings heavily in favour of one team is exactly the issues I see being raised here, its hard not to feel aggreaved when there seems to be a bias building as there are no repercussions for poor ref performances except for an apology from PGMOL every now and again which really helps the aggreaved teams league position
I couldn’t believe this one. It was early and a sign of what was to follow
A clear pull
They should ban the use of VAR,at least one can give grace to the referee for missing some calls in real time.
It's also silly that some officials stay in cozy room somewhere in London,looking at screens and make decisions on issues that they very far removed from ,not feeling the real-time emotions of a match and other nuances. It's akin to a troll sitting behind a screen to write shyt,which he wouldn't necessarily be able to do face to face.
It's also silly that some officials stay in cozy room somewhere in London,looking at screens and make decisions on issues that they very far removed from ,not feeling the real-time emotions of a match and other nuances. It's akin to a troll sitting behind a screen to write shyt,which he wouldn't necessarily be able to do face to face.
I’m starting to wonder if we’re barking up the wrong tree with the challenging for the ball stuff. Those rules are specifically intended to address off the ball incidents, hence all of them are when not challenging for the ball. But it doesn’t make sense that you can do all that stuff without being sent off so long as you’re challenging for the ball.
The rules are the rules. "Emotions" should have nothing to do with their enforcement.
Consistency is really all most people want and the only way to get that is objective enforcement.
The rules clearly state 'when NOT challenging for the ball'
Both players were challenging for the ball, so we have grounds for appeal on that basis alone. They have wrongly interpreted the law and used that incorrect interpretation to make the decision.
I would also add to the appeal that the review was illegal too if based upon DCL asking the referee to check it. As far as I am aware we don't yet have a 'challenge' system in the game and VAR reviews cannot be instigated by a player - even if they genuinely have been fouled. Referees are able to request a review if they thought they saw something themselves but aren't completely sure, but they cannot ask for something they didn't have any knowledge of to be reviewed on the say so of a player.
Lastly, we can contest the 'force' element of the offence.
outcome: the ban will get increased to 4 matches
Both players were challenging for the ball, so we have grounds for appeal on that basis alone. They have wrongly interpreted the law and used that incorrect interpretation to make the decision.
I would also add to the appeal that the review was illegal too if based upon DCL asking the referee to check it. As far as I am aware we don't yet have a 'challenge' system in the game and VAR reviews cannot be instigated by a player - even if they genuinely have been fouled. Referees are able to request a review if they thought they saw something themselves but aren't completely sure, but they cannot ask for something they didn't have any knowledge of to be reviewed on the say so of a player.
Lastly, we can contest the 'force' element of the offence.
outcome: the ban will get increased to 4 matches
Plus a one match ban for Casemiro.
In isolation you can defend a lot of the calls. The room for interpretation with most incidents is so stupidly wide that basically anything goes. But in the context of other decisions they just look stupid.
Maguire penalty is a lot softer than Amad non penalty.
A late challenge, leading with the forearm into the head is fine. Pulling out someones hair tie when wrestling is a straight red, violent conduct.
They can defend the decisions, they almost certainly will but its shit refereeing in both games. More so by assistants and Var to be fair to the ref's. But everyone involved looks like a clown basically.
Maguire penalty is a lot softer than Amad non penalty.
A late challenge, leading with the forearm into the head is fine. Pulling out someones hair tie when wrestling is a straight red, violent conduct.
They can defend the decisions, they almost certainly will but its shit refereeing in both games. More so by assistants and Var to be fair to the ref's. But everyone involved looks like a clown basically.