I disagree with this too. I think it's as obvious a yellow card as you'll ever see. It was one of those that looked a lot worse on first viewing - the tackle wasn't high enough to be considered for a red and Bruno's leg was also bent going into it.I agree. Never in a million years should that be a pen. To be fair, Bruno isn't helping himself. He's making a meal out of everything.
He could've easily had a red card for that foul on Szoboszlai (I think) and had like five yellows for dissent during the match.
We can't complain about decisions in this match for sure.
I don't think we have. The rule is that there's no accidental handball for the goal scorer. If it touches their hand then the goal is ruled out.
Any other player can have an accidental handball and play on so you have the ridiculous situation where if the ball deflects up into a players hand, in the box say, he can't score but can pass to a teammate who can score.
Just watching Ref Watch
1) The penalty given against Dean Henderson is unbelievably bad
2) The decision not to give West Ham a penalty v Brentford is also unbelievably bad.
It wasn't, and the one on Sesko was soft. But if they were going to rule his goal out, they should have gone back to it. I just think there wasn't enough proof of it hitting his fingers, that even if they were to disallow it they'd have to go down an even more controversial route in sending off a Liverpool player 13 minutes into the game. So they decided to just give the goal.Ehh, I'll be honest from that video (which is not conclusive) I don't think that looks like a penalty.
Just watching Ref Watch
1) The penalty given against Dean Henderson is unbelievably bad
2) The decision not to give West Ham a penalty v Brentford is also unbelievably bad.
They gave every 50-50 to Liverpool yesterday. Hell, they gave every 60-40 to them.
And they had the magnifying glass out for Sesko's goal, which you bet they wouldn't if it were the other way round.
Carrick needs to start talking about the refs if he gets the gig permanently.
Yeah, I'm sort of with you on this to be honest. I think the referee was fine yesterday. Probably a few fouls that he should've called but didn't and perhaps a few the other way as well but you're always going to get that.The thing is every fanbase sees true 50/50 calls as 80/20 in their teams favour and claim 80/20 calls in the oppositions favour as 50/50's.
Utd 12 fouls, Liverpool 11 fouls.
VAR if anything has increased the amount of whinging and conspiracy shite from fans, Utd get the call on the handball yesterday but some fans are almost still spinning that as evidence of refs and media being out to get us.
Worst thing the ref did yesterday was getting in the way of Bruno from poor positioning.
MOTD trying to pretend the Sesko goal was fairly clear handball, and showing Slot getting all worked up about it, and VAR being against them all season.
I saw the Celtic game before, and that clearly came off the guys arm, yet it wasn't deemed clear enough to rule out. But even slowed down and super zoomed in you can't be 100 % sure it grazes Sesko's fingernails, yet they want to paint the narrative that we were lucky there.
Also I didn't see one replay of the challenge on Sesko just before.
Agree, absolutely laughably ridiculous decisions. Evidently the Sesko goal shouldn't have stood either as there's a minute handball and the way the law is written any hand touch in that scenario is enough. The main issue with that is similar will happen again and again, and be disallowed. VAR is inconsistent nonsense and should be scrapped. All the slowing down the game down and not being able to celebrate and still huge mistakes and totally inconsistent use of it between games... About 5 crucial mistakes this week alone!
West Ham can be particularly aggrieved, the pen call is at a crucial point in the game and they're in a relegation dogfight. Then Villa don't even bother trying v Spurs. Really bad look for the league.
The thing is every fanbase sees true 50/50 calls as 80/20 in their teams favour and claim 80/20 calls in the oppositions favour as 50/50's.
Utd 12 fouls, Liverpool 11 fouls.
VAR if anything has increased the amount of whinging and conspiracy shite from fans, Utd get the call on the handball yesterday but some fans are almost still spinning that as evidence of refs and media being out to get us.
Worst thing the ref did yesterday was getting in the way of Bruno from poor positioning.
I think the difficulty with the Sesko goal is even now it’s not really conclusive and it’s still splitting opinion. With ultra zoom it’s impossible to say 100% it hits the hand, even though some point to the flight of the ball, it would ultimately be a guess.
I think it likely did but again is that enough of a bar to overturn the decision? I’m not so sure.
I'm sorry, I really don't want to sound insensitive but what's the reasoning behind the Derry penalty ? Unless I missed an angle in the review, both players went for the ball with the head, but at the end, it's just that one of them got very very unlucky. How is it deemed as a foul ? I know "excessive force" is a thing for "clean tackles" but it seems too random for aerial duels. I hope the kid will be ok.
Probably they'll point out that the ball went to the near post so the Everton player wasn't in a position to contest it.Am I missing something with that Bernardo Silva pull down on the Everton player that VAR looked at and decided wasn't a penalty?
Probably they'll point out that the ball went to the near post so the Everton player wasn't in a position to contest it.
Which doesn't make sense anyway as it'd mean you could do whatever you want to an opponent as long as it's off the ball which we all know not to be true.
Compensation for Keane yellow card decisionAm I missing something with that Bernardo Silva pull down on the Everton player that VAR looked at and decided wasn't a penalty?
He could shoot a player and get a yellow. Little runt.Am I missing something with that Bernardo Silva pull down on the Everton player that VAR looked at and decided wasn't a penalty?
Am I missing something with that Bernardo Silva pull down on the Everton player that VAR looked at and decided wasn't a penalty?
If that all happened before the corner was taken it can’t be a penalty, as the ball isn’t in play.
I suspect they deemed that the attacker probably wouldn’t have reached the cross.How was the gusto shirt pull not deemed denial of a clear goal scoring opportunity?
He could shoot a player and get a yellow. Little runt.
Exactly this. I think Sesko, or probably all players have been told to go down and stay down when obstructed or fouled like that, because it increases the chance of VAR intervention. If he hadn't gone down and stayed down I think his goal may have been ruled out.It wasn't, and the one on Sesko was soft. But if they were going to rule his goal out, they should have gone back to it. I just think there wasn't enough proof of it hitting his fingers, that even if they were to disallow it they'd have to go down an even more controversial route in sending off a Liverpool player 13 minutes into the game. So they decided to just give the goal.
That's a bollocks rule.The ball wasn't in play. They've been reffing corners like that all season. As long as the player lets go quickly after ball comes in no pen. City had the exact same thing go against them recently too. Think it was Newcaste on Haaland. It's a stupid rule but it's how they're doing it and at least consistent.
The Sesko one they didn't find any footage to show it conclusively hit his hand until 20 minutes after the goal.
You can make the argument they should have had the footage immediately but then it just seems to have been ignored that they'd have then gone back and reviewed the incident just before that, and a fair chance it's a penalty and a red card instead of a goal.
This is part of the reason the standards don't improve. Because managers, pundits, sky etc. Will fake controversy over decisions that weren't that bad and ignore the just blatantly wrong and inexplicable ones, out of bias.
The fact there is a program dedicated to gaining viewers and making money out of talking about refereeing mistakes, which the PGMOL is officially promoting and partnering with, is dodgy as feck in itself. It's a completely blatant conflict of interest.
