VAR Decisions - PL 19/20 Season

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Are you in favour of VAR in the PL?

Poll closed Friday at 18:44.
  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Aug 10, 2019

    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    How about the players, all of whom have had lengthy training on this, actually abide by the rules. It’s not hard. If the players are going to be a stubborn idiots and flagrantly break the rules then they’re rightly going to get penalised for it. What we know for certain is that players won’t continue to do this because they know referees will (finally) follow through with the punishment.

    It’s no different to a defender fouling an attacker who is chasing down a through-ball they are never going to get. It’s still a foul, only you, like everyone else, will blame the players for his poor judgment, and not decide whether it was a foul based on whether the player was going to get there or not.
  2. Aug 10, 2019

    ForestRGoinUp New Member

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    I’m actually just not for more penalties (free goals) being given for fouls in non scoring situations.
  3. Aug 10, 2019

    mancan92 Full Member

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    So then what are people complaining about?

    If he was offside and fabianski stepped off his line then what did VAR do wrong?
  4. Aug 10, 2019

    90 + 5min New Member

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    While I believe VAR can and will be good for football there are major questions about its use from what we could see just from today.

    1. How long do you check situations prior the goal? Is it begining of attack or just last play? Where do you draw the line?
    2. Sterlings goal that didnt count. You cant take that goal from him because it may be his clothes and not actully his body that is offside. Even with VAR we are going to have discussions.
    3. No way there was only 5 minutes minimum extra time with all the VAR. Well, it didnt matter this time and ref and all people wanted to go home but with VAR, penalty, subs, injury… It should and would have been near 10min extra time. Can we make it go little bit faster? Difficult when humans are in charge and it is important
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    Revan Assumptionman

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    Absolutely nothing.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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    No comment on your very obvious hypocrite on the matter? How about a keeper handling the ball just before it comes into the area when there are no attacking players around? Should we just play on?

    It’s very simple. When rules are broken the correct punishment is given. Thankfully, this is a very easy thing to fix for players, and it will be all but wiped out from our game before long.

    Doesn't it seem odd to you that you're advocating the continued breaking of rules by players when there is an incredibly easy fix available to them?
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    Moonwalker Full Member

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    It didn't do anything wrong today. The funniest thing is, it would be perfectly understandable if it did, considering teething problems are to be expected, as that's been the experience of Italy and other countries, that it got better, gradually.
  8. Aug 10, 2019

    Fully Fledged Full Member

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    Shoulder yes elbow no.
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    Pughnichi New Member

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    Seems odd to ask me a question and then tell me to get over it when I answer. Oh wait our opinions differ.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Not odd when I'm clearly in a teasing mood
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Some want instatenous correct decisions. It's never gonna happen
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    Superunknown New Member

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    100% agree with this.

    The offside decisions seem to be the biggest area of concern here. Well, maybe the rule needs updating and more clarifying. But, I saw an excellent comment earlier somewhere about the comparison between offside decisions and goal-line decisions. "If goals are decided by cm and mm (due to goal-line technology), then why not offsides?" Couldn't really disagree with that.

    Yes, it has teething problems, but this will ultimately lead to more right calls being made and hopefully the rules being enforced more accurately. Penalties have always wound me up with how far some keepers come off their line and the amount of encroachment that takes place. It's about time that this was picked up on.
  13. Aug 10, 2019

    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

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    Correct.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    Comparing goal line tech and VAR for offside is a good point. I just think we have been under the influence of "letting the attacker get the benefit" if things are close that many don't realize, it is borderline useless if we have technology for it.
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    ThatsGreat Full Member

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    I love it, but it could be because I have a persecution complex when it comes to Arsenal and feel that we're always getting the short end of that stick.
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    Amarsdd New Member

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    VAR will always be subject to criticism until it reaches a point that goal line tech is right now, fully objective and decisions in 5-10seconds. But I can think of machine learning techniques that can be applied towards automating and speeding up esp. offside and handball decisions with good reliability. Of course, you will need an expert to check and finalize those automated decisions in the beginning until the technique is refined to be 99+% reliable.
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    kouroux 45k posts to finally achieve this tagline

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    That should be the aim long term, I don't see how we get to something much faster unless they develop the technology that is akin to the one in videogames for offsides.
    Until then, we have to go through the current steps, some wanna kill it in its development and just have the final version which is impossible
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    Dante Bang Average but can post Blindfolded for 15 secs

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    The decisions are not the issue, since they're correct at a much higher rate than a referee could ever hope to achieve on his own.

    The issue is the speed with which they're reached. I've not seen much to suggest they'll be prohibitively slow.

    This is the new paradigm. Adjust to it.
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    "The 2005 edition of the Laws of the Game included a new IFAB decision that stated, "In the definition of offside position, 'nearer to his opponents' goal line' means that any part of their head, body or feet is nearer to their opponents' goal line than both the ball and the second last opponent. The arms are not included in this definition".

    You've only had 14 years to get used to the light of day rule not being enforced.
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    ForestRGoinUp New Member

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    Hmm i seem to recall data suggesting that referees were getting 90%+ of their decision correct. Calling this a much higher rate is a bit disingenuous, no?
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    Fully Fledged Full Member

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    I wasn't saying that I'm not used to it. Somebody said that the current law has always stood and I said that they haven't.
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    roseguy64 Full Member

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    Exactly. It's the wrong comparison. There's a lot of subjectivity in predicting the flight of an object regardless of how accurate the system is. A better comparison would be the no ball in cricket. You're either over the line or not. Same for offside.
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    giorno Full Member

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    Just seen a replay of City's 5th goal, wasn't paying attention during the game but...how in the fecking hell did that goal stand????? :houllier::houllier::houllier:
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    Random Task Correctly predicted France to win World Cup 2018

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    VAR is great.

    Love live VAR.
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    edcunited1878 Full Member

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    After Matchweek 1, there was only one game where teams were impacted by VAR (i.e. points taken away from a decision) and that was Wolves v. Leicester.

    Without VAR, Wolves would have won 1-0 over Leicester but it ended up goalless so the points were shared.



    6:47

    The ball is cradled by Boly's arm after it pings off couple bodies, drops favorably into the path of Dendonker who lashes it home. But again, no part of the arm/hand can be used for a goal or in the build up for a goal even if it wasn't on purpose.
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    Sunny Jim Full Member

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    We have had VAR in Poland for 3 years. A few goals got rulled out becasue there was a foul in the build up some 40/50 meteres bofere the box and some 30 seconds before the goal. The other thing is 90% of tackles reviewed by VAR end up as fouls. Slo mo makes thing looks worse.
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    Revan Assumptionman

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    I don't think that ML is yet at that stage to be reliable in offsides and especially penalties (though with the current relaxation of handball counting as penalties, it should be easier). But would be nice if we see some progress on that aspect, and so make the decisions much faster.

    Fifa should fund the research in that aspect.
  28. Aug 13, 2019 at 11:45

    ROFLUTION Full Member

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    Sure, but the decisions could also just be explained after the game. Right now its just a VAR wagon and sort of a Blackbox where we dont have any transparency and in reality itd be easier to bribe an unknown face in the VAR booth than a ref. It looked very shady at Copa America

    I also like the NFL way in the regards that they can challenge a call. Think that makes the game way more fluid and human, which VAR severely lacks.
  29. Aug 13, 2019 at 12:26

    limerickcitykid There once was a kid from Toronto...

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    There wasn't. It was never a rule. Please show proof of it being a rule, because it wasn't.
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    Speedy30 Liverpool Fan

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    I do agree with the challenges. Not sure how it would be brought in and maybe the current use of VAR would have to go but it would be good to see that.
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    Toad Full Member

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    Definite pen there, if Smalling plays he may get away with it after watching that...
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    Thunderhead Full Member

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    Probably not classed as a clear and obvious error :confused:
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    sullydnl Ross Kemp's caf ID

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    The PL said their version of VAR would be a lot more stringent and that was evidence of it.

    Looked a penalty to me but the question for VAR isn't whether it's a penalty, it's whether the referee fecked up badly enough in not giving a penalty that they need to intervene.
  34. Aug 17, 2019 at 17:50

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    It would annoy me if that happened to us though. 95% would think that is a penalty, most likely even the VAR panel, but because the ref said no it stands. But then again, what’s the point in having a ref if VAR panel make every decision. I’m contradicting myself here and feel I should stop. /end
  35. Aug 17, 2019 at 18:11

    cyberman Full Member

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    Neville has fallen into the trap that he has to agree with VAR decisions or it hasn't worked.
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    Wiltord02 Full Member

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    Clear Penalty. Going to be fun when in a future game, a similar situation results in a penalty via VAR.

    VAR is only as good as the moron referee in charge of it.
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    Was there mere putting the hands on poor City lad, or was there pulling or pushing? I haven't seen the latter, so I like the call.
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    ivaldo Mediocre Horse Whisperer, s'up wid chew?

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