Maybe because apparently Rugby is part of your sport formation??
When you compare the FUNDAMENTAL NATURE of football with other collective sports, dont you agree that there's a difference in the dynamics?
VAR - Not the hero we want, the one we need
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When you compare the FUNDAMENTAL NATURE of football with other collective sports, dont you agree that there's a difference in the dynamics?
Yes, VAR which will reduce errors and prevent teams from getting robbed will ruin the game.Some of you need to have a word with yourself.
Absolute scouse shite.
Terrible.
What happens if there is an offside in the build up to a goal? The ball stays in for a minute after the incident and the team scores. Do we cancel the goal and give a freekick for offside?
Stopping the game like this every 2 minutes is fecking shite.
What happens if there is an offside in the build up to a goal? The ball stays in for a minute after the incident and the team scores. Do we cancel the goal and give a freekick for offside?
Stopping the game like this every 2 minutes is fecking shite.
It was okay. The 2nd Chile goal before half-time was bullshet, never an offside. Their second goal in the 2nd half was called offside by the linesman but was saved and corrected by VAR, they got really lucky the VAR was there.
I kind of have mixed feelings about it. The ref should be able to view the replay on the big screen or on a tablet and the make the final call.
None the less, Stoppage time will definitely become an issue. Atleast 7 - 10 minutes of stoppage time after every half?
Theres a long road ahead of VAR to become perfect.
I kind of have mixed feelings about it. The ref should be able to view the replay on the big screen or on a tablet and the make the final call.
None the less, Stoppage time will definitely become an issue. Atleast 7 - 10 minutes of stoppage time after every half?
Theres a long road ahead of VAR to become perfect.
In the end, referees simply have not kept pace with the evolution & speed of the game - they are routinely getting décisions wrong so VAR, among other technologies is bound to correct erroneous and game changing décisions. As for offside calls, for me, I never had issue with the close calls that are done in error when advantage is given to the attacker and we're talking about the slimmest of margins. It's the egregious ones, regerttably, that VAR will have the most impact upon because refs are so poor. We've already seen that the shenanigans that go on in the box has not been helped by an extra assistant so in the future perhaps it will/should be all electronic
Yeah I agree with all this. Give the teams each 1 challenge per half or something. It'll mean that everything unchallenged will go fluidly plus its more exciting when a team does decide to challenge. Creates a bit of drama to make the wait tolerable. I really don't know why they've implemented it like this when every sport does it differently.
I have to admit it was slightly strange watching Chile players stand about waiting to see if they could celebrate their second goal.
Somehow VAR needs to become quicker. The goal line tech is quick. The ref gets the beep from the sensor and makes his judgment. VAR as it's been trialled to date needs to speed up. Maybe we need more cameras or more computer input? Like have a computer that can analyse the pictures in seconds and beep the ref if there's an offside?
Somehow VAR needs to become quicker. The goal line tech is quick. The ref gets the beep from the sensor and makes his judgment. VAR as it's been trialled to date needs to speed up. Maybe we need more cameras or more computer input? Like have a computer that can analyse the pictures in seconds and beep the ref if there's an offside?
You could maybe even have three refs looking at it. If all three come to a unanimous decision, then VAR should overrule ref's decision. Otherwise, the final decision lies with the match ref.
Who needs VAR,flow of the game and celebration is way more important.
I don't see the interruption being a problem. When the video referee was introduced in to Rugby League, there was a bit of awkwardness when tries were scored at first, but the transition became a lot smoother. Now, you really can't imagine RL without it. It is integral to the sport. I'm sure with football, it will be the same.
In the long term, correct decisions are the most important. Points and titles are decided by these decisions. But football just can't win, whatever it does. There is going to be opposition to technology in favour of the game's natural flow, just as there will be many complaints that football is still in the dark ages until technology is brought in to bring football inline with other top level sports. The game is faster than ever, and referees are under tremendous pressure as more and more players are trying to con them - and succeeding! Technology is a positive, and it will take time to integrate, but football will get there, I am certain.
In the long term, correct decisions are the most important. Points and titles are decided by these decisions. But football just can't win, whatever it does. There is going to be opposition to technology in favour of the game's natural flow, just as there will be many complaints that football is still in the dark ages until technology is brought in to bring football inline with other top level sports. The game is faster than ever, and referees are under tremendous pressure as more and more players are trying to con them - and succeeding! Technology is a positive, and it will take time to integrate, but football will get there, I am certain.
I'm sorry but I don't think I'll ever be able to take it. It was very frustrating to watch yesterday, but if in the last Euros I have to wait a minute before knowing if Éder's goal was valid or not I might have actually died. It's torture. I don't understand how fans are able to do it in rugby either.
I think it's possible to find a nice balance. If VAR is only used for red cards, penalties, etc. and it stops being used for goals things will be fine. For offside goals, simply have a team of 3 or 5 refs watching on a TV and they can vote and automatically send their decision to the ref on the pitch, if they manage to send that information in a couple of seconds it will be perfect. It won't compromise the fans' enjoyment and the refs will get the right decision a lot more often.
What made me impression is that close calls are not being made and play goes on until there's a goal and then it's reviewed, unless it's an obvious call.
What got me wondering was the referee raising his flag for Chile's second goal. It was clear as daylight there was no offside.
I'm for video technology but only if it was somehow implemented in a way it doesn't disrupt the flow of the game and is actually fair and useful. This current implementation is a bit of a joke really. What concerns me is that over time, referees are going to rely on technology more and more and end up using it as a crutch. So for any even remotely doubtful situation they will wave play on and then see what happens on video replay destroying the flow of the game. If there was an actual technology like the goal line tech but for offsides, we wouldn't need video replays at all IMO.
VAR
what is it good for?
what is it good for?
Poor refereeing tends to be fairly distributed. At least I've never seen any evidence it isn't. So, the team getting robbed of a win will probably get a win handed to 'em down the line to balance it all out.
Do what you may to improve the general standard of refereeing, sure, that's common sense. But I get the impression that some people demand perfection – i.e. they consider it an outrage that there's any human error involved at all.
If you can implement a system which calls offsides automatically, for instance, I'd have no issue with that – clear improvement, and not a call which takes much judgment on the ref's part to begin with, it's mainly a question of being in the correct position and using your eyes, so replacing a fallible official with VAR there makes perfect sense. But it has to be smooth – as others have correctly pointed out, you can't have a system that takes a minute to reach a verdict, that would be insanely annoying in the long run.
Do what you may to improve the general standard of refereeing, sure, that's common sense. But I get the impression that some people demand perfection – i.e. they consider it an outrage that there's any human error involved at all.
If you can implement a system which calls offsides automatically, for instance, I'd have no issue with that – clear improvement, and not a call which takes much judgment on the ref's part to begin with, it's mainly a question of being in the correct position and using your eyes, so replacing a fallible official with VAR there makes perfect sense. But it has to be smooth – as others have correctly pointed out, you can't have a system that takes a minute to reach a verdict, that would be insanely annoying in the long run.
Can't wait for this to be implemented in FIFA on the PlayStation. Cpu always manage to get away with sketchy goals.
If you like rugby you can't help but be surprised to hear straight-faced people moaning about the death of the game.
There'll still be moaning so long as we have holes in our arses, mind, but a bit of video reffing will not kill the sport by any means.
There'll still be moaning so long as we have holes in our arses, mind, but a bit of video reffing will not kill the sport by any means.
Anyone got a gif of this latest VAR situation? It seemed like the wrong call as the extended arm clearly deflected the ball?
There have been plenty of wrong decisions with the use of technology in the Club World Cup and U20 World Cup by the way. The outrage will be even bigger once the ref misses something on video in an important match
This is hilarious, when the sentiment of many replies in this thread boils down to this.
The thing I'm wondering about - why is it still in the early stages yet being used in a very prolific tournament? Should they not have spent a long period of time developing the system in lower profile games, say friendlies or matches between two small countries (e.g. Cyprus vs. Gibraltar or that kind of match, no offence to them). Unless they've done that already.
Agreed.
Finally, we shall see an end to silly decisions and tbf, even referees will love having the video ref as a backup, in case they are not sure of a decision.
Hehehe. yep.
There will always be dinosaurs in all walks of life, who will resist change.
But, like all other sports which are evolving, football shall also evolve.
I for one love the video referee and feel it is at least 10 years overdue.
I'd rather do without human judgement.
Agree about the goal celebrations though, it does feel strange to watch.I read about VAR during the Chile match yesterday and thought it was a stupid new nickname for Vargas.
I read VAR had a big part to play and was wondering what Vargas had done
I read VAR had a big part to play and was wondering what Vargas had done
You are assuming VAR will end ref's silly decisions but so far that's far from being the case.
Yesterday Cameroon should have been 1-0 up vs Chile, Australia's second goal today shouldn't have counted and there were countless bad decisions both in the Club World Cup and the U20 World Cup. Noone cares much because these tournaments aren't very important but when next season a ref makes a big mistake in an important match even after watching the video, the amount of controversy will be unprecedented.
I like that they are getting the calls correct. That's the most important thing.
Needs a better way to seamlessly fit in, similar to the goal line technology. I think this will improve as it continues to get used and tweaked. It's a valid complaint on how it disrupts the game. But that doesn't out weigh the most important thing; getting the call right.
I didn't see the Chile game, but the refs missed the 4-man offside for Portugal's first goal and correctly called it back. I was more concered that the linesman missed 4 clearly off-side Portugal players in the first place, not like it was even close.
Needs a better way to seamlessly fit in, similar to the goal line technology. I think this will improve as it continues to get used and tweaked. It's a valid complaint on how it disrupts the game. But that doesn't out weigh the most important thing; getting the call right.
I didn't see the Chile game, but the refs missed the 4-man offside for Portugal's first goal and correctly called it back. I was more concered that the linesman missed 4 clearly off-side Portugal players in the first place, not like it was even close.
There were 4 offside players but Pepe was the one who got the ball and he was only marginally offside. If in doubt they'll most likely not call offsides as often from now on. If it ends up being a goal then they'll review it, but that doesn't seem totally fair. If it's a goal after an offside then it will be denied and the other team gets the ball, but if instead of being a goal the keeper saves it and it goes to a corner then the attacking team still is in a dangerous position. If the André Gomes shot yesterday in that play gets saved and goes to a corner it would be better for Portugal than had the ball gone in.
Quite true, but it still beats the non VAR options, which are: 1. Portugal scores unlawful goal 2. Portugal gets a corner kick
You know that it's working well when the most common argument against it is "we'll have to wait an extra 10 seconds to celebrate a goal" or some nonsense about it ruining the emotion of goals.
In the FA cup final there wasn't a VAR and we had to wait 10 seconds before knowing whether the first goal was legit or not. That didn't seem to stop any of the fans at the ground celebrating it. I know that it didn't change my emotions that we'd scored.
In the FA cup final there wasn't a VAR and we had to wait 10 seconds before knowing whether the first goal was legit or not. That didn't seem to stop any of the fans at the ground celebrating it. I know that it didn't change my emotions that we'd scored.
Not sure i understand.
I simply do not trust refs,doubt their honesty,integrity,think all that "they are just humans and they make mistakes" is bullshit for me. Maybe i should take my tin foil hat off but for example here
think in that same game he gave pen to Palace for less of a shirt pull.
Haha, first time I see that incident. Was that a pen against Palace? I can't see a better evidence for short pulling than someone actually taking it off of you. Even pull rips are not as convincing.
Have they explained how the decision is taken? Always seems to be 3 people huddled around the screen.
I guess they just follow the rules as we all know them
But if it goes down to the millimeter... I have no clue.
Waiting a minute to celebrate a goal is an enormous cultural change. Why would anyone want that?
Sounds awful
"GOAAAAL!!" will be replaced by "The ball is in the net, now it's over to the officials as a hush descends over Old Trafford....a reminder that on Sunday we have Palace vs Chelsea live on Sky Sports One...........*40 seconds later*....and the goal is given and a brief smattering of relived applause from the crowd"
Pardon me for being rude but anyone fine with that becoming the norm is a certified fecking nutcase
Sounds awful
"GOAAAAL!!" will be replaced by "The ball is in the net, now it's over to the officials as a hush descends over Old Trafford....a reminder that on Sunday we have Palace vs Chelsea live on Sky Sports One...........*40 seconds later*....and the goal is given and a brief smattering of relived applause from the crowd"
Pardon me for being rude but anyone fine with that becoming the norm is a certified fecking nutcase
I meant, is it only one person that takes the decision? I mean, it probably is, but that little huddle always cracks me upI guess they just follow the rules as we all know them
But if it goes down to the millimeter... I have no clue.
Wenger WUMming again
http://www.skysports.com/football/n...ents-champions-league-calls-after-var-arrival