Vardy's challenge on Mustafi, deserved Red?
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I don't get VAR, it's a great concept but my God our application has been awful.
When I saw it live I thought it was an accident and that was reaffirmed by Vardy's immediate reaction.
However every time I see it again it looks more and more intentional. My guess is he did want to kick out at him but didn't expect to hit his face, hence his half genuine oh shit reaction.
However every time I see it again it looks more and more intentional. My guess is he did want to kick out at him but didn't expect to hit his face, hence his half genuine oh shit reaction.
I personally thought there was a follow through there but VAR again had other ideas..
I think it was accidental. I think if you keep looking at something over and over again, slowed down, it'll look more intentional. Initial thought in real time was accidental.
Just made a comment in the VAR thread... but yeah, absolutely a red card
Nketiah was clearly going for the ball in his challenge and most likely didn't mean to connect with the leg... but because he went in in a dangerous manner its still a red card.
Even if it is an accident... shouldn't it still be a red card because it's a dangerous thing to do?
Nketiah was clearly going for the ball in his challenge and most likely didn't mean to connect with the leg... but because he went in in a dangerous manner its still a red card.
Looks intentional from the clips, whether he meant to kick him in the face is another matter.
Watching last night I thought it looked an accident at the time. However that second video doesn’t look good, the angle of his leg doesn’t look natural and there’s a moment where he almost glances over before the leg comes round. Not sure.
Defintely, we need Leicesters top goalscorer banned till the end of the season.
Question is - Should intention matter when you've kicked someone in the head? It most often then not doesn't matter when you connect with someones leg/shin and get sent off.
Can they retrospectively act at this point?
*Personally think it would be harsh to do so
*Personally think it would be harsh to do so
Can this incident be reviewed and appropriately disciplined?
Straight red. It was done with intent. Vardy has a mean streak in him. Unbelievable he got away with it. Ban him for at least 3 games!
It's obviously a red card and intentional. I challenge any of you to fall over and extend your leg out with force at the same time. You just don't do it, serves no purpose.
From here, here's down. The natural reaction is to hit the deck on your elbow/upper arm and try to mitigate any damage to your head. Your legs don't go on vacation mode.
From here, here's down. The natural reaction is to hit the deck on your elbow/upper arm and try to mitigate any damage to your head. Your legs don't go on vacation mode.
could've killed him!!
but yeah from the second clip thats clearly intentional
but yeah from the second clip thats clearly intentional
Depends if the ref says he saw it in his report.
Looks completely accidental to me. No way would I give a red card for that.
Slow motion is terrible for judging intent.
Slow motion is terrible for judging intent.
There's no way that when a man is slipping over that his leg flings out like that in the normal act of slipping. That's 100% on purpose. He wanted to kick him, maybe not at his face (no one can really know) but he did want to kick him. Therefore clearly a red all day long
Oh and that is a red card every day of the week.
It is a red for me, no doubt
He extends his leg so far and knew someone was behind him. Clear red.
I don't think it was intentional. For the record, I don't think Nketiah's tackle was intentional but that was reckless. Vardy's wasn't. The more you try to construe every reaction, head movement etc., the more evidence you'll find. When it is intentional, its immediately visible in the replay rather than being dug out.
Looks like he meant it to me. Hard to be sure though.
The first clip looks intentional
The second clip Vardy clearly looks at him before the boot hits his face. Question is: Was the kicking deliberate and could he have avoided it? I'd say yeah. Red for Vardy. Very dangerous play.
On that note I'm curious why Jefferson Lerma doesn't get a red for going studs first into Martials knee
That is absolutely horrible and absolute red from the dirty bastard. Vardy is an awful piece of shit and always has been.
100% agree.
That's the issue isn't it, only Vardy will know for sure if he meant it or not and it's only when you start to overanalyse it do you start to put together conspiracy theories
At the time I thought it was accidental and not a red
Following through studs up and falling over and accidentally kicking somebody are 2 different things though.
You could make an argument that he kicked out but I’m not sure what he can do if he has genuinely falling over.
Exactly he plants his left foot down and his next response is to extend it as far as possible?It's obviously a red card and intentional. I challenge any of you to fall over and extend your leg out with force at the same time. You just don't do it, serves no purpose.
From here, here's down. The natural reaction is to hit the deck on your elbow/upper arm and try to mitigate any damage to your head. Your legs don't go on vacation mode.
Not a natural fall.
Even if he didn't mean to kick him in the face you surely have a responsibility to protect others on the field? He knew the other player was there and fell in such an unnatural way.
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Red card.
It was an 'unnatural' movement. His genuine falling momentum doesn't cause his leg to kick out like that.
It was dangerous play, could have blinded him in one eye if the studs landed an inch or two differently.
It was an 'unnatural' movement. His genuine falling momentum doesn't cause his leg to kick out like that.
It was dangerous play, could have blinded him in one eye if the studs landed an inch or two differently.
But falling in over in that way - which isn't a natural way to fall over - is a dangerous way to well, fall over. I mean technically he's fallen over and followed through studs up!
I just think kicking someone in the head in that manner means you've done something dangerous, whether you meant to or not.
I’d say yes, even though I haven’t seen it. It’s..... Vardy!
Edit: After watching it I’m even more sure. Looks like prime JCVD!
Edit: After watching it I’m even more sure. Looks like prime JCVD!
It's intentional. Who falls and then lifts straightens their left leg with force?
Red card no doubt about it.
4 match ban.
This is one where the Premier League needs to review and take retrospective action. That's a definite red card. Deliberately kicks the lad in the face. Three game ban minimum IMO.
There are two things here, whether the intention is there to commit violent conduct or whether even if it was accidental it was so reckless he deserves to go anyway:
For me it's another one in the column of concept = good, rewatch footage and cut out absolute piss-boiling ref howlers from the game, implementation = dire; no consistency, ridiculous procedural rules and in too many areas (handball, offside) VAR is overseeing a daft rulebook that when followed to the letter still leaves a nasty taste. The fact more often than not one set of fans is left as bruised as they were before VAR, justifiably so, is proof the system isn't working as it should in the PL.
Agreed in as much as I don't know why he's flinging his leg up in a circular motion. If it's intentional that's terrible conduct, if it's a bit of frustration wanting to kick out his leg but not necessarily make contact that's still wreckless conduct, and the result is a nasty injury that could have been far worse. What's more...It's obviously a red card and intentional. I challenge any of you to fall over and extend your leg out with force at the same time. You just don't do it, serves no purpose.
From here, here's down. The natural reaction is to hit the deck on your elbow/upper arm and try to mitigate any damage to your head. Your legs don't go on vacation mode.
later on in the game Nketiah goes for something that was reckless but entirely accidental, and it's rewatched by the VAR many times and by the ref (only once for some reason) on the pitch side monitor. Why wasn't the Vardy incident at least referred to the VAR too?
For me it's another one in the column of concept = good, rewatch footage and cut out absolute piss-boiling ref howlers from the game, implementation = dire; no consistency, ridiculous procedural rules and in too many areas (handball, offside) VAR is overseeing a daft rulebook that when followed to the letter still leaves a nasty taste. The fact more often than not one set of fans is left as bruised as they were before VAR, justifiably so, is proof the system isn't working as it should in the PL.
It is a pretty sweet roundhouse when you see it from certain angles.How is that not a red card!? That's mental, to be able to control your leg like that and hit someones head is actually pretty difficult. Not accidental in the slightest.
It’s accidental so obviously not a red. As much as I hate Vardy he’s not going into a tackle or anything, it’s accidental collision while falling down.
No way is that a red & if that happened to us & a red was given I’d be fuming
No way is that a red & if that happened to us & a red was given I’d be fuming