Why are you counting Giggs? He only managed 4 games.
Don't disagree on Ed though. Both Woodward and Ole need to be sacked asap.
Viable, available caretaker managers?
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Don't disagree on Ed though. Both Woodward and Ole need to be sacked asap.
We should be making a permanent appointment of Ole gets sacked. Two names keep repeating in my head. Ten haag and Eddie Howe. There are a lot of other brilliant attack minded managers out there to handle this job.
I would want someone like Ole who is actually good at coaching and setting up a system of play for his team.
I would want someone like Ole who is actually good at coaching and setting up a system of play for his team.
Just to make it complete.
Before reading tonight‘s interview, I felt that Ole could only lose with Woodward in charge and the Glazers about, but his words have changed my opinion.
What is he seeing?
Jesus. I'm not sure him racially abusing Pogba for being lazy in the middle of the park is the way to go.
The season was a write-off before the first whistle was blown, so as long as we're not actually a serious candidate for relegation (can't be ruled-out I accept) then I'd want us to stick rather than twist until the summer - use the time to allow our Director of Football to get things in order for yet another relaunch in the summer (also - hire a fecking Director of Football!).
This squad is seriously, seriously shite; we knew this but probably need this season to fully show just how bad it is if we're going to get a sensible budget to invest in the squad this summer. Champions League was never likely, but finishing outside the Europa and maybe the top 10 is a fecking big alarm to be ringing, even the current ownership couldn't ignore it.
Use the time to finally get things right in the summer, starting ideally with an attacking DoF and manager with suitable transfer targets.
If we do end-up in a relegation battle, then feck it: get Big Sam in.
This squad is seriously, seriously shite; we knew this but probably need this season to fully show just how bad it is if we're going to get a sensible budget to invest in the squad this summer. Champions League was never likely, but finishing outside the Europa and maybe the top 10 is a fecking big alarm to be ringing, even the current ownership couldn't ignore it.
Use the time to finally get things right in the summer, starting ideally with an attacking DoF and manager with suitable transfer targets.
If we do end-up in a relegation battle, then feck it: get Big Sam in.
@Rhyme Animal what's the plan fan? New manager then what? New coaching staff? Players etc
Why don't we get Glenn Hoddle in? Was doing a cracking job with England before he insulted the disabled.
Give it to Cantona with Roy Keane as his assistant
If results continue the way they are we could yet be calling on a relegation avoidance specialist such as Big Sam before the season is over.
Who's the we? you certainly have yourself convinced anyway
People need to stop using Klopp as a comparison, he won a league titles with Dortmund before his lull period and what he did with a small club like Mainz before that probably surpassed anything Poch has done in management.
Poch arrived as Spurs manager one year before Klopp became Liverpool manager so will Klopp be reaching the end of his cycle soon? i think not.
The three seasons before Poch arrived at Spurs they got 69,73 and 69 league points. First two seasons with Poch as manager Spurs got 70, and 64 points and after his peak points total in 2016/17 it was back to 71 points league points last season.
Regardless of anyone's complains about Poch (and I have plenty and criticized him a lot), he's light years ahead of our current manager and will trust him with the rebuild and developing job far more than Ole.
Honestly feels ridiculous to refuse him taking over while we are having an ex Molde and Cardiff manager in charge.
Honestly feels ridiculous to refuse him taking over while we are having an ex Molde and Cardiff manager in charge.
If Wenger wants it, its his. He does have the right kind of authority and experience.
Or just sign Allegri outright.
Or just sign Allegri outright.
The plan will be up to the new manager lad! We don't get to decide it as fans, as you well know (if we did, Ole would probably be doing a little bit better
)I'd imagine, that should a new manager be brought in - be it caretaker or full time appointment - they'll be employed based on their previous coaching exploits, coupled with their pitch to the board.
Whoever it is will likely have a superior CV to OGS, as previous to being given this job, his only managerial employment was in the Norwegian league, and a relegation stint with Cardiff, and for a club of Utd's mighty size, employing such a manager was highly anomalous, to put it mildly.
The new manager will then come into training and begin implementing their vision upon the squad, that's what coaches do in football to earn their handsome wage.
They'll then look to adopt specific tactics for each given match to make sure that they win the game.
They'll also be given money - like OGS has been - to invest in the squad. This money gets spent during pre-agreed time slots called 'transfer windows', where players can join other clubs for sums of money - or, if the player's contract has run-down, they can simply join for free.
If the manager produces good results, he/she will generally stay in the job until they choose to leave / retire - and should they produce results more befitting of a club battling relegation, as is the case with Ole, they will generally be removed from their position and somebody else is employed by the club to do the job instead.
Any new manager generally brings at least a few coaches with them, as the key coaching staff from the failed regime is removed.
Your point makes sense, but I think people just want to make sure whoever manages us next is the right choice.
Pochettino has done a good job at Tottenham, but he's never won anything whilst disregarding cup competitions for some reason.
His Tottenham side have been in terrible form for a long time, same situation as us.
It's not unreasonable to think that sacking a trophyless manager in bad form, only to replace him with a trophyless manager in bad form wouldn't be the best move for us.
Saying he's better than Solskjaer doesn't mean we should get him.
I think Grealish is better than Lingard, but I don't really want us to sign him.
They did just reach a CL final, Dec... (from which I don't they've recovered - including Pochettino...)
Getting past City in the semis.
They also made top 4.
They did reach a champions league final, but that shouldn't mask their poor league form during their champions league run, which has spilled over into this season.
They did get top four, but that was partly due to the manager everyone wants to get rid of.
I just think a manager that couldn't win anything with that Tottenham side would struggle to win anything with our rabble, we don't have strikers like Kane for example.
Thats it in a nutshell. Enough bad choices made since Fergie retired already. Woodward needs to sacked before the next manager is brought in also or at least kept away from appointing the next manager.
Poch might not win things here, but I'm sure he's going to put up a coherent game plan, develop young players and do the rebuild job pretty well, things we are in desperate need of. Currently no one is expecting us to win anything. We need a rebuild with a clear vision and play style, something Ole showed he's terrible at thanks to his non existent tactics. Poch will be able to set up a very good basis of a team that even if he doesn't win things, the base will be there for a trophy hunting manager to win after him.
At the moment we need a manager who is going to work with players and coach them properly, more importantly than a trophy hunting manager. Poch will be very good in this regard thanks to what we saw with Spurs.
Fair enough, but Klopp did the rebuild at Liverpool and won a major trophy to go with it.
If we're getting rid of Ole, I'd like that, rather than bringing in a guy who might do a good rebuild before passing on the reigns to someone who knows how to win tbings.
Conte looks like he would've been a good shout, he's got Inter playing really well. Shame our higher ups (aka Ed) probably have no clue who he even is.
I'd take Poch but I worry about his transfer signings. He's great at game tactics and the actual football, but would need to be accompanied by a DOF / football committee for signings, a bit like how Liverpool are setup with Klopp currently.
It's not rocket science, but somehow we'll end up paying Ole £20m to sack him, give Carrick the full time job, sack him, then get Wenger.
I'd take Poch but I worry about his transfer signings. He's great at game tactics and the actual football, but would need to be accompanied by a DOF / football committee for signings, a bit like how Liverpool are setup with Klopp currently.
It's not rocket science, but somehow we'll end up paying Ole £20m to sack him, give Carrick the full time job, sack him, then get Wenger.
I didn't say Poch will never win things here. He might or might not, but what I'm sure about is what I said, that he's going to actually put on a good tactical work and improve the youth. He might win things later on with us, who knows. I honestly don't think anyone expected Klopp to win CL and challenge for the league with +90 points when he got the Pool job.
I had several problems with Poch before and criticized him a lot in his thread in football forum but at the moment I think he might be the best choice for us. He looks like the manager we just need at this stage, more so than, say, Allegri, even though I don't have problems with the latter but I don't think he's suitable for us at the moment, unlike Poch.
If Poch is fired, get him in as the manager.
He'll do better than Ole for sure.
We just have to hope he can reach new heights here with full backing from the board.
He'll do better than Ole for sure.
We just have to hope he can reach new heights here with full backing from the board.
Someone says our players would thrive under a young modern attacking manager once
For next season we need a proper progressive coach, who can get us playing like a modern football team. But we're not going to get the right man mid season.
Blanc sounds like a decent option for caretaker. Wenger is not coming here.
Blanc sounds like a decent option for caretaker. Wenger is not coming here.
I agree that him not winning anything is perhaps a sign that he's not the perfect manager... but feck me mate, let's not forget where we are right now!They did reach a champions league final, but that shouldn't mask their poor league form during their champions league run, which has spilled over into this season.
They did get top four, but that was partly due to the manager everyone wants to get rid of.
I just think a manager that couldn't win anything with that Tottenham side would struggle to win anything with our rabble, we don't have strikers like Kane for example.
He develops players well - and he's done all that at Spuds on a very small budget compared to the money that Utd have been spending.
He's clearly a better manager than most, and most certainly a better manager than our current manager, so he'd be an upgrade - and if you can upgrade, then I honestly always think you should.
It's a bit like having a knackered Fiat Punto, and for some reason believing that it's a decent motor...
And then realizing that your car is utterly crap, and then realizing that you can easily afford a BMW 5 series, but then being like, 'hang on a minute, that's not a Ferrari though!'...
And it's like, you gotta step back and just realize that you're driving a fecking Punto.
Hows he as a coach? I feel that both in the short and long term we need someone with a clear vision of playing cohesive attacking football. Even if we're hiring a caretaker it should be with that in mind, so that the next manager would have a workable team to build on those ideas. For example, Brendan to Klopp was a good transition, even if Brendan was of course permanant. But the temporary manager should also have thought behind it - which is lacking in all our hiring because all we care about is winning and results
I'd take Pochettino. I've said before that I don't know if he's a very attacking manager, or a very tactically innovative one. Ideally we'd all want the next game changer like Pep. But Pochettino for his development of talent alone would be a huge improvement on anything we've seen in recent times. I really rate him but I do sometimes find his team, while efficient, a tad dull - wingbacks, sissoko in midfield, no wide flair players in his set up. Also no idea if he's genuinely good in the transfer market given he rarely gets to spend.
As I've said before he's an excellent manager but in terms of the ideal fit, I have reservations. But, given the standard of the managers which we've seen pair SAF I'd take him. On the hand, I don't think he would take us. Reckon, he could be at Madrid in due course.
We as in individuals that rate him highly, which is a lot of people.
Yes getting Maiz promoted was a great accomplishment and getting them into the uefa competition as well. In addition, getting them relegated, staying with them and not being able to get back to the premier division also surpassed anything Poch has accomplished
. I m not going to reiterate what pochettino has accomplished at Spurs. Just check my post history and you will find it.Klopp is backed more financially at Liverpool than Poch at Spurs. He has the capacity to buy the most expensive defender and goalkeeper in the world, while Pochettino doesn’t have such luxury. With such luxury, Klopp is able to have a longer cycle as he is able to make necessary changes to his squad that keeps it fresh.
The argument that Spurs was better or similar in the past to what they are now under Poch is an argument so ridiculous that I will not even entertain it with a response. Using point tally is a lazy tool to make a comparison as their are lots of factors that makes that argument a non-starter. One simple one is that the league has gotten much tougher with the money most club are allowed to spend now.
Zlatan - player manager.
Do we really hate competence and meritocracy so much?
None of this Interim manager BS if we sack Ole I'm bringing in Allegri immediately did Liverpool hire an interim manager after sacking Rodgers?? Nope they immediately brought in Klopp
This is my entire and original point though. I keep reading we want rid of Ole because he's not good enough, fair enough, he's making it very difficult to disagree at the
Moment.
Then people say the next manager should fit the huge, grand expectations of Manchester United, we need to get the next one right etc.
Then when Pochettinos name is put forward, and people mention his obvious flaws and concerns, the response is simply that he's better than Ole, has developed players etc.
He may well be better than Ole, but if as you put it Poch is a BMW, and city and Liverpool are flying up the autobahn in their ferraris, then shit, I want us to get a Ferrari as well.
Points tally is a very accurate judgement not lazy. Check over your post history? Thanks but no thanks. "Supports Maurico Pochettino" is all I need to know about you and all you're reply here tells me is you will blindly support him no matter what even though their is no evidence that he could handle a high pressured job like the United hot seat.We as in individuals that rate him highly, which is a lot of people.
Yes getting Maiz promoted was a great accomplishment and getting them into the uefa competition as well. In addition, getting them relegated, staying with them and not being able to get back to the premier division also surpassed anything Poch has accomplished
Klopp is backed more financially at Liverpool than Poch at Spurs. He has the capacity to buy the most expensive defender and goalkeeper in the world, while Pochettino doesn’t have such luxury. With such luxury, Klopp is able to have a longer cycle as he is able to make necessary changes to his squad that keeps it fresh.
The argument that Spurs was better or similar in the past to what they are now under Poch is an argument so ridiculous that I will not even entertain it with a response. Using point tally is a lazy tool to make a comparison as their are lots of factors that makes that argument a non-starter. One simple one is that the league has gotten much tougher with the money most club are allowed to spend now.
Wenger for me til the end of the season.
Or Southgate - again, only until the end of the season.
Or Southgate - again, only until the end of the season.
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How often do managers in permanent posts leave for another club mid-season? I can't recall any tbh. Just thinking do we want another interim or straight permanent? If we permanent and no one is willing to leave mid-season, to get the right man what do we do til end of season? (Assuming said manager is already at a club)
I don't think Wenger would work at all. Wenger wouldn't have time to effect the useless players we have. The end of his reign was disastrous and would probably lead to a lack of respect. He struggled with the modern game...so why should the players buy into him.
These players need leading by the hand. They need parameters, a clear defined approach...for me that's Bielsa. Will never happen though.
These players need leading by the hand. They need parameters, a clear defined approach...for me that's Bielsa. Will never happen though.
Hiddink
LVG.
We’re probably still paying him compo.
We’re probably still paying him compo.
Wenger
Wenger
Wenger, Keane, Blanc, Hiddink, Big Sam, Spalletti.
In that order.
Wenger will play brilliant football with kids, Roy Keane will tell us exactly how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Red or blue pill.
In that order.
Wenger will play brilliant football with kids, Roy Keane will tell us exactly how deep the rabbit hole goes.
Red or blue pill.