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Sorry Johnny, I didn't know you were active on our forums.Settle down.
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Sorry Johnny, I didn't know you were active on our forums.Settle down.
Under those circumstances, I don't see what the harm is in tying out a Maguire-Bailly partnership. Especially when the latter is likely to be avaliable for the first team soon enough.Could be.
I suppose we have to play Maguire and so it's about finding the best partner for him.
I like Bailly for his speed and, to be honest, his ' rawness ' if we can call it that which I'm sure would go with Maguire. Admittedly he can't do much with the ball at his feet, but isn't that supposed to be one of the reasons we bought Maguire?
To be fair to Rojo, its very hard to put in a good defensive performance when you are alongside Smalling or Jones.Rojo I really like for his 101% no fannying around commitment. He's not everybody's taste, I know, but I like it and with Maguire he'd look and be much better than he was playing with Smalling and Jones.
If he can stay fit, I could see Tuanzebe working well alongside Maguire (similar to how he did well with Mings in the Championship). Certainly I would rather give him a chance over someone like Lindelof or Jones.Maybe Tuanzebe might be a good partner for Maguire - but we've still got to find out that one.
Those are the least controversial assessments of those players you can get. I'd put my neck out there that most of the Caf would find it fairly agreeable. The same they would probably agree Lindelof does not have elite qualities to offset his reactionary/backtracking style of play.Your user name is criticalanalysis, then you come out with tired and lazy stereotypes.
Did Smalling and Jones force Rojo to launch two footers at opponents. Rojo is to blame for his own failings, trying to force culpability onto the usual suspects is so last year.To be fair to Rojo, its very hard to put in a good defensive performance when you are alongside Smalling or Jones.
“Decent cb”A player that wants to play for the club, is a decent CB and the fans want to get rid.
We need more personalities like him at the club. It is a shame most fans actually want him gone.
How many in todays United do you think is good enough compared to City and Pool?In my book, theres 6 other positions needing upgrading before Lindelof. Williams, Greenwood, Mctominay etc looks really promising for the future but still years before they are good enough to be starters in a challenging team.“Decent cb”
Define decent. He’s nowhere near good enough to be a starting CB for a team that wants to challenge for league titles.
People say the same about lingard and mata. Doesn’t mean we should keep them all around.How many in todays United do you think is good enough compared to City and Pool?In my book, theres 6 other positions needing upgrading before Lindelof. Williams, Greenwood, Mctominay etc looks really promising for the future but still years before they are good enough to be starters in a challenging team.
I also believe Lindelof is a hard worker in training and a great character off the pitch.
We are not a team challenging for titles though, and there are number of positions that need to be looked at to get top 4 secured first.Define decent. He’s nowhere near good enough to be a starting CB for a team that wants to challenge for league titles.
Exactly, comparing him to Lingard is different because Lindelof does produce, many fans have an agenda against him so cannot see that.I also believe Lindelof is a hard worker in training and a great character off the pitch.
We cannot have a team of 11 world class players, it will not happen.There are loads of positions that need upgrades but lindelof for sure is maybe not on the urgent list but provably the next list of priorities
And Liverpool wouldn’t win the league either with those - until they went out and upgraded to VVDWe are not a team challenging for titles though, and there are number of positions that need to be looked at to get top 4 secured first.
Exactly, comparing him to Lingard is different because Lindelof does produce, many fans have an agenda against him so cannot see that.
We cannot have a team of 11 world class players, it will not happen.
We can all talk about he isnt good enough for a title challenge however; City won the title with Otamendi starting, ZInchenko at LB so people need to spare this theory of Lindelof is not good enough for a title challenge.
Liverpool have Matip, Lovren and Gomez starting CB, they aint world class.
Yes, they got VVD and we got Maguire.And Liverpool wouldn’t win the league either with those - until they went out and upgraded to VVD
Maguire is better imhoYes, they got VVD and we got Maguire.
Not saying they are the same as VVD is the better player.
Are you saying Maguire, Lindelof are the same quality as Matip and Lovren?
VVD might be miles ahead of Maguire but lets be honest, Liverpool back 4 get alot of protection.Maguire is better imho
Matip is better than lindelof
Lovren v Lindelof is debatable
He’s just not a good defender
Btw VVD is miles ahead of Maguire
Maguire is good defender, but has his limits, f. e. speed or positioning, Lindelof is just Sunday league tier player and has absolutly no place in team like MUTD.Yes, they got VVD and we got Maguire.
Not saying they are the same as VVD is the better player.
Are you saying Maguire, Lindelof are the same quality as Matip and Lovren?
How many defenders across Europe are better than Maguire? Not many, a handful.Maguire is good defender, but has his limits, f. e. speed or positioning, Lindelof is just Sunday league tier player and has absolutly no place in team like MUTD.
So I would rate Maguire higher than Matip and Lovren, but they are both better than Lindelof. He still didnt show a single strong ability after two and half seasons with us and our defensive record is abysmall with him as the player who played the most for last two seasons. I am still sad that LvG sold Evans..
VVD is not lot better than Maguire. Its the liverpool system which makes him look good, take out the DMs and will see VVD making mistakes once a while. He still has mistakes in him which gets either masked or covered by their brilliant team tactic.VVD might be miles ahead of Maguire but lets be honest, Liverpool back 4 get alot of protection.
Manutd back 4 get feck all protection.
Comparing players when one team is flying and one team is finding its feet is unfair.
For the time being Lindelof is ok. We need to focus on midfield and forwards before looking to upgrade defence again.
Currently, I think we could have the 2nd best defence in the league if we can get better quality elsewhere.
I dont know actually, from top of my head I would say many , f. e. VvD, Varane, Ramos, Koulibaly, Chiellini, Bonucci, Laporte, Silva, Marquinhos, Sule.. and those are just from top teams. I would actually rank current Evans higher than Maguire, because Maguire is just big and strong hummer, but Evans is also very strong, but he is also very fast and he is definitely stronger with the ball.How many defenders across Europe are better than Maguire? Not many, a handful.
We can all comment about Lindelof but until we get better protection for the defence, our record will always be terrible.
We have actually had a better defensive record in terms of chances conceded. Lots of goals conceded this season have been individual mistakes from players.
Dude, this statement is just comic. Look at Liverpool defence without VvD and with him (season 2017/18) and then talk about their system. He was instant improvement and from tier potato defence they became on of the best in the world.VVD is not lot better than Maguire. Its the liverpool system which makes him look good, take out the DMs and will see VVD making mistakes once a while. He still has mistakes in him which gets either masked or covered by their brilliant team tactic.
Exactly, people forget that VVD is being protected and the way Liverpool play and press he hardly gets exposed whereas Maguire and Lindelof are exposed like 10 times a game.VVD is not lot better than Maguire. Its the liverpool system which makes him look good, take out the DMs and will see VVD making mistakes once a while. He still has mistakes in him which gets either masked or covered by their brilliant team tactic.
Of the ones you have mentioned, there was no chance in us getting any of those CB's, Sule has only played 8 games this season, have you seen Bayern's defensive record?I dont know actually, from top of my head I would say many , f. e. VvD, Varane, Ramos, Koulibaly, Chiellini, Bonucci, Laporte, Silva, Marquinhos, Sule.. and those are just from top teams. I would actually rank current Evans higher than Maguire, because Maguire is just big and strong hummer, but Evans is also very strong, but he is also very fast and he is definitely stronger with the ball.
I agree that we doesnt protect our defence well (its connected with my opinion that McTominay is not even an average player), but we also lack leaders and our communication is just not there, every player usually focus on himself with his head between his legs. But we will never actually know how good our defence is, if we play with players like Lindelof. What is his key or at least ability? Is he strong? Hell no. Good in the air? Double hell no. Positioning? Not even close. Leader? No. Fast? No. Good with ball? Not really. He is just Mourinho´s biggest mistake in the market and for some reason, he is complete opposite of Bailly. I would say he is beyong average but he is not even that.
Dude, this statement is just comic. Look at Liverpool defence without VvD and with him (season 2017/18) and then talk about their system. He was instant improvement and from tier potato defence they became on of the best in the wordl.
Wait did you see liverpool's defence before and after VVD? It is night and day. Literally it went from super dodgy to the best in the world.VVD is not lot better than Maguire. Its the liverpool system which makes him look good, take out the DMs and will see VVD making mistakes once a while. He still has mistakes in him which gets either masked or covered by their brilliant team tactic.
I think the “terrible” is a little misused here. Not many teams that have conceded less goals than United so far.He is not a good defender and that should be enough for us to judge him on. Our defense is soft and not authoritarian by any stretch, we have been playing them together all season with the same result. He also played most games last season with terrible results, he is the only player to play most games both of these seasons and sadly it´s clear that he is a huge part of the problem.
Eh? Motm today.He worries me.
FFSHe worries me.
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