The team needs more than that, it needs a format c: and repartitioned
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
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And yet he is still miles better on the ball than Maguire which tells you everything. None of them are good enough. And especially for Ten Hag's style of football.
He definitely isn't better on the ball than Maguire.
All good Gb busy with life hehe. Lindelöf does look better with the Swedish Nt since the football isn't as physical and he is better protected. He still crumbles when he needs to defend!
One good long ball doesn't make a player good in possession.
Lindelof VERY often shirks responsibility of the ball when trying to play out from the back. He will receive it to feet just fine, see an opposition player within 10 yards and then nonchalantly play the ball to his full back, who has even less passing options and now has a player about 5 yards away. It's his go-to move or just give it back to De Gea for a long ball. He looks calms but does absolutely nothing with the ball. AWB has been a victim of this for many years and Dalot was the same yesterday; both are not great on the ball but they get little to no support from the player who is in the middle of the pitch and the whole field in front of him.
This. His regular 5 yard passes to a boxed in right back are infuriating. Rarely the man that concedes possession but a big part of why we lose it.
Better a CB who likes to defend but isnt a good passer than a CB who likes to pass but isnt a good defender
Nah, because passing isn't separate from defending. If you're a liability on the ball in a side that tries to play out of defence, you're also a defensive liability. It's the sum total of what you offer in your team's style of play that counts. And for many top sides Lindelof would immediately be favoured over Smalling for that exact reason.
But the key point is that that those sides don't actually go with Lindelof just because he has basic technical competence, they go for any of a number of better CBs with that basic technical competence (or more).
That's why the Smalling comparisons flatter Lindelof. Having him as a reference point has always made Lindelof seem better on the ball than he actually was as Smalling was exceptionally poor in that regard. We shouldn't still be comparing him to a CB who was rightly deemed not good enough some three seasons ago, as if it was an either/or scenario.
I mean, neither is a good option. Especially for a team that should be looking at winning trophies. Our players have to be good at both. Selling Smalling was a good decision. Replacing him with another player that has almost the opposite issues is a problem. We've just replaced one issue with another. Even with Smalling, we'd be no better off. How bad he was on the ball is just as big of a problem as how passive Lindelof is at defending.
He is. Lindelöf is below average on the ball. Maguire is terrible
Except he was never, ever a "liability" on the ball. He was never pressed into putting the ball past his own keeper, giving the ball to a striker with just the keeper to beat or lost the ball in the backline. He just played a simple passing game which is what Lindelof does too for 90% of the match and then he'll try a very nice long pass over the top which worked several times last season.
A liability would cost you. Smalling never cost us. He just gave the ball to better ball players which is exactly what you'd want him to do
Winning trophies?
With Lindelof defending like this we'll be lucky to qualify for the europa league let alone win a trophy. With Smalling that wasnt an issueActually Lindelof challenges pretty much the same as the rest of our CBs in the air.
Maguire goes in to 3.7 aerial duels per game and Lindelof 3.3.
40% of Maguire’s aerials are offensive so if we only look at defensive aerial challenges Lindelof is actually challenging more.
Since you brought up Smalling again, he challenges 2.4 aerials per game so seems to have lost a bit in that department.
Crystal Palace 1:0 Man Utd
Fecking useless. Could expand but he is just fecking pointless.
Goodbye.
Come back to Premier League when you'll stop being scared to play football.
Come back to Premier League when you'll stop being scared to play football.
Now, has anyone coming over to my side yet or am I still standing alone muttering to anyone who passes that Lindelof is absolute rubbish? He’s not a defender for this level. Im not sure what his level is. Perhaps he could hide in Spain
Or does not have to Italy?
Wow he was shit today even for his standards
I've never rated Lindelof and I never will.
Looks like a CB who doesn't want to be a CB, same as most weeks. This week it cost him a bit more because Zaha was running at him with his right foot ready to shoot and Lindelof's will to not want to defend allowed Zaha to do everything he wanted and put the ball in the bottom corner. A lot of the time he gets away with his mentality because we dont directly concede from it. This week we did.
Who was the person on here who argued that his unwillingness to block shots was smart defending as it reduced the risk of deflections beating the keeper?
He plays like a sweeper expecting those in front to do all the actual coal face defending, he can just tidy up when it breaks down.
Awful defender.
His 'best' attribute is that he defends space well. Yes, read that again, he defends space.
His 'best' attribute is that he defends space well. Yes, read that again, he defends space.
Psst....Zaha is right footed. Make him go left. No...your other left
Maybe @A-man?
Welcome to the resistance
Possibly, the type of argument you really have to use some self delusion to believe.
I bet it was @Vidyoyo
Just get rid .
Nah, it's started to annoy me of late too
I gave him props for being good-ish for the first half of this season, but he's completely shit the bed in the second half. He's been almost as bad as he was in his first season where he looked like a school kid who somehow wandered into the team. He's obviously never been good enough for the level that we want to be, but his current form is making me question my belief that he'd be a good #3 central defender providing back-up for the main two.
Your criticise Lindelof and simply get labeled a Maguire lover. For me he’s been a poor replacement for Blind. He shouldn’t be starting next season and should be shown the door once we’ve replaced his position in the squad.
Welcome to the resistance
He was playing well at the start of the season. I gave him major props after losing his place to Varane, and then coming back in and playing well. After the break in at his house and losing his place to Maguire, things went downhill. He has been horrible throughout the majority of the 2nd half of the season. Not good enough.
I remember last season something similar happened. He had a good 1st half of the season to the point were a lot of posters were discussing if him or Maguire is better. Then Maguire got injured and his form fell off a cliff.
A season later the exact same thing happened again. A good start to the season followed by a falling of form towards the end. I wonder why?
I'll be honest: I've never seen someone obsessed with a player as you are with Lindelof. I swear you are camped in this thread and just do not hesitate to bash him at every given opportunity.
Yet every time he has a good match, there are always crickets. I remember even calling you out once for it when he was on a very good run of form and oddly enough you were not to be found in this thread.
This whole obsession you have with Lindelof is just bizzare at this point considering what a shower of shite our entire team is, yet I don't see the same amount of energy in other player's threads.
I’ve said from day one hes not good enough and
never will be. He hasn’t got the basics down at his age.
yet here you are, the first of his defenders to appear
this is my end season report card:
Shit
Action: sell
There are at least 5 players I would sell before Lindelof in this squad.
Also why would you sell a good squad option when most of our defenders are always injured. Surely not even you can hold it against him that he is always available.
They'll be in here soon giving us stats about how he is the 5th percentile of looking in the mirror and styling his hair.
It's been obvious for ages this guy is an absolute fraud. Today is just another reminder of why he needs shifting ASAP.
Ok it wasn't entirely his fault with the hospital pass by Bruno, but surely as a PL level defender you KNOW Zaha is coming back onto his right foot and getting a shot away.
What does he do? just watches him run passed and do exactly that. Pathetic.
Maguire playing like a clown made us forget how painfully average CB Lindelof is.
I’d sell because I wouldn’t want him mixing with young defenders learning their trade
Actually have defended him for a long time but the past few months have been the last straw for me. Too passive and inspires no confidence
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