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His aerial ability would be very useful in this side, we lack a true target man besides Ronaldo.

Rashford has been improving there but Osimhen is one of the best headers of the ball in Europe
 

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I'm a Nigerian so I've followed Osimhen since his U17 days, he doesn't have a silky technique like a Zlatan or Berbatov, he's Haaland level but stronger with his back to goal, he is very tenacious, quick and powerful.
The sort of 9 that's a handful when his team is in possession and when they aren't.
He isn't stronger than Haaland back to goal or not, Haaland is the fecking incredible hulk. Osimhen is strong but he outworks defenders, he doesn't outmuscle them. Haaland makes them look like children
In any case, you wouldn't call them definite successes for one reason or the other. They were the names off the top of my head when i saw the post. He said it was a genuine question. There are people (and pundits) who believe that we should be investing in PL proven players because they think of the other leagues as more lightweight and slower (meaning, pure pace). It has to do more with the time you're allowed on the ball. Some adjust and some don't. It's also the reason why players like Dzeko, Giroud and Zlatan can prolong their careers in the Serie A. Or why someone like Abraham can become a regular starter for a top-four club and Lukaku be the star-man in a title winning side. In this sense, Osimhen is a gamble.
Nah, i mean you're not wrong but for strikers like Lukaku or Abraham(who isn't really *that* good in Italy anyways) it's really all about smaller, weaker and most importantly slower defenders rather than time on the ball. It's why guys like Dzeko, Giroud or Zlatan, who are so big and strong, can prolong their careers. Lack of pace doesn't hurt them in Italy the way it would in England
 

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He isn't stronger than Haaland back to goal or not, Haaland is the fecking incredible hulk. Osimhen is strong but he outworks defenders, he doesn't outmuscle them. Haaland makes them look like children

Nah, i mean you're not wrong but for strikers like Lukaku or Abraham(who isn't really *that* good in Italy anyways) it's really all about smaller, weaker and most importantly slower defenders rather than time on the ball. It's why guys like Dzeko, Giroud or Zlatan, who are so big and strong, can prolong their careers. Lack of pace doesn't hurt them in Italy the way it would in England
I actually think this is a part of the game where Haaland still have huge potential to improve. He is huge and very strong, but so far he rarely taps into those super powers of his. He has been great at finding space in the box and avoiding defenders, but goals where he bullies defenders (like against Webster vs Brighton) is rare.
 

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Nah, i mean you're not wrong but for strikers like Lukaku or Abraham(who isn't really *that* good in Italy anyways) it's really all about smaller, weaker and most importantly slower defenders rather than time on the ball. It's why guys like Dzeko, Giroud or Zlatan, who are so big and strong, can prolong their careers. Lack of pace doesn't hurt them in Italy the way it would in England
I agree on Abraham. He always seemed to me a weird choice from Mourinho to lead the line. I mentioned the likes of Dzeko and Giroud because they are technically gifted but they never relied on pure pace to score goals. They depend a lot on good movement, power and anticipation. We are witnessing it before our eyes with Ronaldo that, with age, they need more time and/or an extra touch. Lukaku, for instance, didn't have a problem bullying the centre-halves in the PL. Your point about the defenders is valid, of course. It's the two of these things combined. An example from the Bundesliga would be Haverz. I always believed that he would adapt easily to the particularities of the PL because he's an intelligent footballer, but he always seems to need that extra second to make it work.
 

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Hello. I am italian and i know Serie A very well. Osimhen is the typical Serie A striker: he dominates in Italy thanks to his physique. Like Lukaku. But he lacks technique. For him will be difficult in premier league.
Thanks for posting this. Me and some other posters who watch serie A regularly have been saying the exact same thing about Osimhen but majority of the posters on caf have decided collectively that he is a world class striker without even knowing about him that much. They have a hard on for him just like they had for Jadon Sancho, now they think otherwise.
 

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Thanks for posting this. Me and some other posters who watch serie A regularly have been saying the exact same thing about Osimhen but majority of the posters on caf have decided collectively that he is a world class striker without even knowing about him that much. They have a hard on for him just like they had for Jadon Sancho, now they think otherwise.
I watch serie A and while i wouldn't call Osimhen a world class striker just yet, this idea that a bigger, faster version of Jamie Vardy would fail in england due to a perceived lack of technique is weird
 

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Weird how any time some people rate a particular player, you've got a bunch of people who don't feel the same ready to belittle their opinions while claiming they can't share their opinion as they do just that.

The whole point and fun of a forum is to have discussions and share a variety of contrasting opinions, no need to be disingenous or use bad faith framing when opining.
 

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I watch serie A and while i wouldn't call Osimhen a world class striker just yet, this idea that a bigger, faster version of Jamie Vardy would fail in england due to a perceived lack of technique is weird
Yea he's not world class yet but not many are at 23 years old.

We've seen players less talented adapt well and we've also seen more technically gifted ones not pan out. We like to act like the league is leagues greater skill wise than other leagues in Europe but that's not the case in reality.

If it were then one of the greatest players to ever play in England like Hazard wouldn't become a massive flop in Spain. It's not that black and white.

He certainly does have the tools and mental makeup to translate to the PL and it's hard not to think he would have a decent grasp of the English game already coming from a nation that supports the PL more than most like Nigeria.
 

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I watch serie A and while i wouldn't call Osimhen a world class striker just yet, this idea that a bigger, faster version of Jamie Vardy would fail in england due to a perceived lack of technique is weird
This. I watch Napoli weekly and whatever technique he lacks is no worse than some of the strikers in England.
 

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Thanks for posting this. Me and some other posters who watch serie A regularly have been saying the exact same thing about Osimhen but majority of the posters on caf have decided collectively that he is a world class striker without even knowing about him that much. They have a hard on for him just like they had for Jadon Sancho, now they think otherwise.
See I watched a lot of Sancho and Dortmind, and was noticeably against us signing him at the price we did to the point of getting called out by a lot of people on this forum. But I rate Osimhen a lot, his technique sticks out to me as very good every time I watch Napoli. Yes he is physical and fast, but calling him just that is doing a disservice to his actual footballing abilities.
 

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I posted something in the newbie forum about Osimhen. I know the proposed fee of £100m is enormous but we have a lot of players in our squad who can be sold for a combined amount near to this. Thinking Henderson, AWB, Bailly, Donny, Pellistri etc. Even possibly Maguire. That’s without taking the wages of Ronaldo off the books. With a properly organised sale and whatever budget we have we can replace squad players and fork out for Osimhen, or another top striker.

There is a lot of deadwood in the squad that just isn’t necessary. It’s wasteful.
 

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Not sure why technique is the issue here. Lot of strikers with lack of technique made it in PL. People used Lukaku as example of failure in PL when you don't have technique. Well, if Lukaku has great movement like a fox, his lack of technique wouldn't be a hindrance. How is Osimhen with his movement? Is he like Haaland or Cavani movement?
 

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Thanks for posting this. Me and some other posters who watch serie A regularly have been saying the exact same thing about Osimhen but majority of the posters on caf have decided collectively that he is a world class striker without even knowing about him that much. They have a hard on for him just like they had for Jadon Sancho, now they think otherwise.
I don’t remember anyone calling him world class
 

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Absolutely brilliant player. But absolutely the sort of deal we should avoid. We need to stop spending massive amounts on star players maybe try building an actual squad. We need a striker, but we also need a right back, center back maybe another midfielder.
 

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To be fair, lack of technique is not what I see as problem in Lukaku. Lukaku’s main problem is that his off ball movement. He’s too static for my liking. How’s Osimhen’s with his off ball movement?
His off ball movement is great. He always run without the ball. The problem of Osimhen is his first touch... That is Lukaku’s first touch... That you Utd's supporters already well know!


How many strikers has proved to be a success after moving from Italy ? Genuine question. Just to know how much is the success %
Salah is an exemple of a striker great in serie a and then great in premier league. Because he has the skills and the technique. In Italy you must search strikers with creativity, technique and dribbling. Example: Kvaratskhelia is word class in Italy and will be word class in England.


Thanks for posting this. Me and some other posters who watch serie A regularly have been saying the exact same thing about Osimhen but majority of the posters on caf have decided collectively that he is a world class striker without even knowing about him that much. They have a hard on for him just like they had for Jadon Sancho, now they think otherwise.
Buy in Serie A a physical striker with average skills is very, very risky. Because all the strikers with great physique in serie a are dominant, but in premier the physique without tecnichal skills is not enough.

Osimhen is a good player, but never, never a 100m striker. If you pay 60+ for him you get robbed. If Napoli, for exemple, the next year buy Tarem Moffi (Lorient striker, similar to Osimhen), in Italy he will be dominant as Osimhen.
 

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His off ball movement is great. He always run without the ball. The problem of Osimhen is his first touch... That is Lukaku’s first touch... That you Utd's supporters already well know!
Cavani's first touch is not good either but United fans like his first season because his off ball movement is great.

The issue about Lukaku's first touch is because he doesn't offer anything in his off ball movement. If he has great off ball movement, no one will complain with his first touch. So as a striker, he needs to have either good first touch or good off ball movement to be two different kind of strikers (striker who can hold the ball to bring others into play or a poacher who move like a fox to score goals). Lukaku has neither.
 

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His off ball movement is great. He always run without the ball. The problem of Osimhen is his first touch... That is Lukaku’s first touch... That you Utd's supporters already well know!

Osimhen is a good player, but never, never a 100m striker. If you pay 60+ for him you get robbed. If Napoli, for exemple, the next year buy Tarem Moffi (Lorient striker, similar to Osimhen), in Italy he will be dominant as Osimhen.
:eek: What am I reading? Terrem Moffi isn't fit to tie Osimhen's shoelaces.

You may watch the Italian league but I doubt you have the nous to parse through what you're watching.

Comparing Osimhen's first touch with Lukaku's??

Okay, let's have the Osimhen poor touch Youtube compilations then. Or any examples you can find.

Edit, meanwhile, performances against the English teams you insist he will struggle against:

Leicester:


Chelsea:

 
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I watch serie A and while i wouldn't call Osimhen a world class striker just yet, this idea that a bigger, faster version of Jamie Vardy would fail in england due to a perceived lack of technique is weird
:eek:
 

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Osimhen does look a bit untidy to be fair, a little chaotic. But a real handful for defences. A little like Nuñez perhaps.

Personally think we need more of a strong target man/pivot striker who can hold the ball up and occupy defences. Like a Brobbey, only good. We already have a few pacy run-in-behind forwards.
 

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Osimhen does look a bit untidy to be fair, a little chaotic. But a real handful for defences. A little like Nuñez perhaps.

Personally think we need more of a strong target man/pivot striker who can hold the ball up and occupy defences. Like a Brobbey, only good. We already have a few pacy run-in-behind forwards.
Completely agree, reminds me a lot of Nunez with more physicality but slightly worse technical ability / finishing (apart from heading where he does look very strong in fairness).

I think if any Utd fan watches the clip vs Leicester above and thinks, hell yeah that’s what we need I think they need checking. Will be a similar outcome as Lukaku with Utd fans getting frustrated game after game with his poor touches and loose shooting. Don’t get me wrong I think he could score a few goals, but so did Lukaku.

If we were about to buy him for 40-50m, maybe. Just because of the lack of quality forwards out there and at that price it won’t look horrendous when he inevitably becomes a rotation player. But at 100m we have to give this one a miss as there are simply too many other areas that need filling and he is not a shoe-in investment where it might be worth it.

Need to be on the hunt for the next Benzema or Lewa, they are out there somewhere!
 

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Completely agree, reminds me a lot of Nunez with more physicality but slightly worse technical ability / finishing (apart from heading where he does look very strong in fairness).

I think if any Utd fan watches the clip vs Leicester above and thinks, hell yeah that’s what we need I think they need checking. Will be a similar outcome as Lukaku with Utd fans getting frustrated game after game with his poor touches and loose shooting. Don’t get me wrong I think he could score a few goals, but so did Lukaku.

If we were about to buy him for 40-50m, maybe. Just because of the lack of quality forwards out there and at that price it won’t look horrendous when he inevitably becomes a rotation player. But at 100m we have to give this one a miss as there are simply too many other areas that need filling and he is not a shoe-in investment where it might be worth it.

Need to be on the hunt for the next Benzema or Lewa, they are out there somewhere!
100m ? if he has the same scoring rate as haaland.
 

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Would make so much sense stylistically but would like to see him get through the rest of the season largely injury free first.
His injuries have been freak injuries and several bouts of covid. COmpletely random and not some sign of an injury riddled sicknote.
 
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