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I watch serie A and while i wouldn't call Osimhen a world class striker just yet, this idea that a bigger, faster version of Jamie Vardy would fail in england due to a perceived lack of technique is weird
Think its natural but people place too much emphasis on silky skills and aesthetics in forwards. The reality is for most of the game a striker won't be touching the ball so there is a much greater emphasis on off the ball qualities which Osimhen has in abundance. He leads the line, bullies defenders is great in the air and although possessing an awkward style is also well able to finish. It's not as if we haven't seen him do it against the likes of Liverpool either. He'll never be a Ronaldo Nazario or even a Robin van Persie in terms of all round play but the game has moved on and we need players who are happier not to be getting touches every two minutes like CR7 demands and more willing to maintains positional discipline which helps our attacking shape and lead the press.
 

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The Caf wants a striker with the touch of Dennis Bergkamp, the aerial prowess of Batistuta and Harry Kane’s playmaking for around £50M and around 23 years of age.

I remember all the “Haaland is a donkey” posts from times past. The Caf is incredible.
 

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His off ball movement is great. He always run without the ball. The problem of Osimhen is his first touch... That is Lukaku’s first touch... That you Utd's supporters already well know!




Salah is an exemple of a striker great in serie a and then great in premier league. Because he has the skills and the technique. In Italy you must search strikers with creativity, technique and dribbling. Example: Kvaratskhelia is word class in Italy and will be word class in England.




Buy in Serie A a physical striker with average skills is very, very risky. Because all the strikers with great physique in serie a are dominant, but in premier the physique without tecnichal skills is not enough.

Osimhen is a good player, but never, never a 100m striker. If you pay 60+ for him you get robbed. If Napoli, for exemple, the next year buy Tarem Moffi (Lorient striker, similar to Osimhen), in Italy he will be dominant as Osimhen.
Terem Moffi can’t even make the National team squads (where Osimhen is the first name on the list).

This is fantasy thinking. Osimhen has displayed the goods in Germany (Wolfsburg), France (Lille) and Napoli (Italy). Proven in three of the top five leagues in Europe.
 

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Think its natural but people place too much emphasis on silky skills and aesthetics in forwards. The reality is for most of the game a striker won't be touching the ball so there is a much greater emphasis on off the ball qualities which Osimhen has in abundance. He leads the line, bullies defenders is great in the air and although possessing an awkward style is also well able to finish. It's not as if we haven't seen him do it against the likes of Liverpool either. He'll never be a Ronaldo Nazario or even a Robin van Persie in terms of all round play but the game has moved on and we need players who are happier not to be getting touches every two minutes like CR7 demands and more willing to maintains positional discipline which helps our attacking shape and lead the press.
This is correct.

In general people like the idea of their centre-forward getting involved in play a lot, because it suggests a level of all-round technical accomplishment and finesse that people naturally think of as an inherent positive.

But in the case of our actual team, our needs lie in the opposite direction. We lack a CF who isn't drawn to the ball, but who instead spends most of the game playing between the width of the opposition box and constantly looking to get behind, between and in the face of the opposition centre-backs.

In really basic terms, we need someone who provides a presence in the box others can create high value chances for, particularly from crosses. And the more ETH gets us controlling games and the more we end up parked outside the opposition's box, the more that becomes the case. With that profile of a CF technique becomes less important relative to off the ball movement and physicality.
 
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People mentioning Lukaku have a fundamental misunderstanding of why Lukaku fails at the highest level of the game. His problem isn't lack of technical skills. It's lack of shots. Lukaku does not shoot enough for a top striker. It's that simple. He doesn't get himself into enough good positions, doesn't lose his man enough times, and as a result, doesn't offer a big enough threat

Osimhen doesn't have this problem
 

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People mentioning Lukaku have a fundamental misunderstanding of why Lukaku fails at the highest level of the game. His problem isn't lack of technical skills. It's lack of shots. Lukaku does not shoot enough for a top striker. It's that simple. He doesn't get himself into enough good positions, doesn't lose his man enough times, and as a result, doesn't offer a big enough threat

Osimhen doesn't have this problem
In England especially for United it was a stand out problem. He couldn't hold the ball up and his first touch lost him so many chances.

That has stuck with people.
 

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People mentioning Lukaku have a fundamental misunderstanding of why Lukaku fails at the highest level of the game. His problem isn't lack of technical skills. It's lack of shots. Lukaku does not shoot enough for a top striker. It's that simple. He doesn't get himself into enough good positions, doesn't lose his man enough times, and as a result, doesn't offer a big enough threat

Osimhen doesn't have this problem
Yeah, Osimhen is a shot monster and I think like Darwin Nunez he gets criticised because he misses a fair amount of chances. However, he only misses lots of chances because he has created a chance to begin with. More importantly he's also putting away a lot of chances too. I think his box movement is better than Darwin's though and he's better in the air.
 

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In England especially for United it was a stand out problem. He couldn't hold the ball up and his first touch lost him so many chances.

That has stuck with people.
Haaland has the same problem. It just doesn't matter because he averages over 4.5 shots per game, so he scores at a preposterous rate, so everything else becomes meaningless in the face of that
 

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Haaland has the same problem. It just doesn't matter because he averages over 4.5 shots per game, so he scores at a preposterous rate, so everything else becomes meaningless in the face of that
Haalands touch is very, very good. Comparing him to Lukaku in that perspect is weird.
 

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Haaland has the same problem. It just doesn't matter because he averages over 4.5 shots per game, so he scores at a preposterous rate, so everything else becomes meaningless in the face of that
I think your memory is making you forget just how bad he was at United. I've never seen Haaland trip over the ball when trying to run or balloon it away when trying to control the ball.

Your shot stat is certainly valid - but Lukaku ruined attacks all by himself by simply failing to control the ball.
 

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Haalands touch is very, very good. Comparing him to Lukaku in that perspect is weird.
It really isn't. Haaland's touch is at best average. He isn't and probably never will be a plus to his team's buildup on the ball. What sets him apart is what he does off of it
 

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I think your memory is making you forget just how bad he was at United. I've never seen Haaland trip over the ball when trying to run or balloon it away when trying to control the ball.

Your shot stat is certainly valid - but Lukaku ruined attacks all by himself by simply failing to control the ball.
And what i'm saying is none of that would have mattered if Lukaku was a better goal threat. If he got himself into positions to get 4 shots off per game, and scored 30+ goals a season, nobody would give a rat's arse about him tripping over the ball or miscontrolling it. For all those instances of clumsiness I can point out stuff like his run to set up KDB against Brazil
 

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Lukaku also offered very little in terms of an ability to harass and pressure opponents off the ball, while also regularly being outfought in the air and on the ground by players he seemed to have a physical advantage over.

Lukaku had many issues and while his technique was certainly one, people over-focus on that relative to other faults.
 

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The Caf wants a striker with the touch of Dennis Bergkamp, the aerial prowess of Batistuta and Harry Kane’s playmaking for around £50M and around 23 years of age.

I remember all the “Haaland is a donkey” posts from times past. The Caf is incredible.
:lol: so true. If he isn’t a R9 regen, don’t bother.
 

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It really isn't. Haaland's touch is at best average. He isn't and probably never will be a plus to his team's buildup on the ball. What sets him apart is what he does off of it
Well, we have to agree to disagree.

I saw Haaland play live when he was 15 in the first division against grown men in Norway. He was probably 25 cm shorter back then and got the chance mainly due to superb technical attributes. He is no Zlatan/Berbatov/Benzema, but to compare him to Lukaku is simply lazy.

His ability to control a ball perfectly in an instant is world class.
 

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What would you consider a fair price for him,also Levy is an absolute nightmare to deal with just look at Carrick & Berba
Well he's got a year left on his contract in the summer so while something like 80m would be overpaying I wouldn't complain at the club paying that (not like it's my money)
 

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In England especially for United it was a stand out problem. He couldn't hold the ball up and his first touch lost him so many chances.

That has stuck with people.
“Nah nah nah not a lack of technical skills, just a bad first touch.”

I think you’ll find someone’s first touch is quite a key component of their technical skills…
 

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“Nah nah nah not a lack of technical skills, just a bad first touch.”

I think you’ll find someone’s first touch is quite a key component of their technical skills…
That's great but no idea why you are tagging me tbh. I haven't mentioned technical skills once.
 

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33 (almost 34) and £39.5m
If Sterling is £48m at 27, and Lewa is £40m at 34, surely Kane for £70m at 29/30 is a decent price

Did not we just pay £60m plus for a 30 year old world class player?

Anybody saying not more than £30 or 40m living in 2010
 

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The difference between lukaku and Haaland is night and day in my opinion, and the biggest difference is the hunger/desire. Haaland would literally step over bodies to get to a goal scoring chance, lukaku has never had that
 

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The difference between lukaku and Haaland is night and day in my opinion, and the biggest difference is the hunger/desire. Haaland would literally step over bodies to get to a goal scoring chance, lukaku has never had that
Haaland also has that smartness in and around the penalty area we have seen in players like RvN and Solskjaer in the box. But in combination with being huge and great pace.
 

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Osimhen's technique is being vastly underrated on here. Yeah he is not the silkiest but he is not a liability either. I mean there are some calling Moffi and Nunez as his equal. Cmon now
 

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Scored again. Looks a completely different player this season compared to the last 2.
 

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This guy would become an instant fan favorite at Old Trafford.
 

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And look at that, pace, strength and then the back heel to Lozano who then assisted the second goal.
 
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And Kane isn't? We also desperately need a CF
You missed bolding the “top teams”? How many goals v … Spain, Italy, Brazil, Argentina, France? How many CL games influenced?

Im not saying he’s not a good goal scorer (and he might do ok for us and score tons v Bournemouth, Leicester, etc) .. I just wouldn’t pay silly money and I don’t think he’s Casemiro level .. it’s an opinion.
 

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You missed bolding the “top teams”? How many goals v … Spain, Italy, Brazil, Argentina, France? How many CL games influenced?

Im not saying he’s not a good goal scorer (and he might do ok for us and score tons v Bournemouth, Leicester, etc) .. I just wouldn’t pay silly money and I don’t think he’s Casemiro level .. it’s an opinion.
He's scored loads of goals against the big 6 in EPL though
 

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We have to get him if only for the fact he looks like he could be so much better as well
 

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Osimhen's technique is being vastly underrated on here. Yeah he is not the silkiest but he is not a liability either. I mean there are some calling Moffi and Nunez as his equal. Cmon now
He is rubbish from a technical point of view. He is a Chris Smalling in attack. And that is in Italy. In England, he would look 10 times worse then Lukaku.

Stay away from this guy. In the fast paced technical attacking style of ETH, Rashford looks bad; Victor would look like a fan on the field with n-th times and videos of him breaking attacks and the flow of the game.

A player great in Serie A and in FM, but with 0 future in the PL.
 

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He's scored loads of goals against the big 6 in EPL though
As his team’s penalty taker he’ll always get a few. He’s about to PK his way to becoming England’s record goalscorer without anyone mentioning it, and in 5 years time nobody is going to ask for a breakdown.
 

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As for Osimhen, he has such extreme gifts but also such extreme weaknesses that he could go either way.

I would have good cause to be confident of success if we signed him, but I’d also have no problem if we ‘missed out’. My instinct would be to pass on him though, he really is poor and clumsy in possession which is hard to overlook. If we were to create a high volume of chances he could score loads, but may well end up one of those ‘he’s scoring goals but the team functions better without him’ type of strikers.
 
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