Victor Osimhen

croadyman said:
So don't want a proven goalscorer then?
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I think the wage demands, fee and also fact that he’s gone from Serie A to Turkey is enough to have put me off. We say he’s a proven goalscorer and controversial maybe I don’t think he’s had the worldie consistency of an absolute world class player.

He’s clearly very good but I worry it will be us making the same expensive mistakes. I’m not sure we’re in the position to spend that much on someone who while an improvement on Højlund, alone wouldn’t be transformative.

I’d much rather spend on Cunha, allowing Bruno to operate deeper when needed, who adds some PL quality with a multitude of skills.

I also think Delap for £30m offers ridiculous value for money. He’s shown he can carry the ball up the field, score the strikers goals on both feet from cut backs and passes in behind, duel physically with PL defenders and get his shots off with power and precision. I think he’s an absolutely sensible risk to take.

I suspect a silly Saudi contract will be coming his (Osimhen’s) way and we won’t see him in a major league anytime soon. Of course I could be proven wrong here but even with CL football I know Delap + Cunha is for me preferable.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I think the wage demands, fee and also fact that he’s gone from Serie A to Turkey is enough to have put me off. We say he’s a proven goalscorer and controversial maybe I don’t think he’s had the worldie consistency of an absolute world class player.

He’s clearly very good but I worry it will be us making the same expensive mistakes. I’m not sure we’re in the position to spend that much on someone who while an improvement on Højlund, alone wouldn’t be transformative.

I’d much rather spend on Cunha, allowing Bruno to operate deeper when needed, who adds some PL quality with a multitude of skills.

I also think Delap for £30m offers ridiculous value for money. He’s shown he can carry the ball up the field, score the strikers goals on both feet from cut backs and passes in behind, duel physically with PL defenders and get his shots off with power and precision. I think he’s an absolutely sensible risk to take.

I suspect a silly Saudi contract will be coming his (Osimhen’s) way and we won’t see him in a major league anytime soon. Of course I could be proven wrong here but even with CL football I know Delap + Cunha is for me preferable.
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Real shame he has decided to take the big Saudi money when he's only 26, can understand doing that if the player is in the twilight of their career.
 
I did not want him anyway, his technique is not the best.
It will be interesting who will be the next striker that the media throw up as being of major interest to us..surely it will not only be Delap?
 
Bondi77 said:
I did not want him anyway, his technique is not the best.
It will be interesting who will be the next striker that the media throw up as being of major interest to us..surely it will not only be Delap?
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I suspect it may also have to do with how things turned sour with Napoli (which wasn't his fault). Nevertheless, the perception may linger that he's a difficult character to deal with, which is something Amorim will want to avoid.
 
I think it’ll be Delap and someone like Welbeck to mentor the young ones, especially Obi.
 
I think he's absolutely electric but I have never thought we would sign him.

I wonder if I just I disagree with the club a little. I think our main priority and budget allocation should be on the best possible number 9 we can sign.

Maybe I'm wrong and they really do just rate Delap as a striker at this level. If so then all I can really do is wait and see and hope they are right.

Feels pretty much set that we will end up with Delap and Cunha as our attacking reinforcements.
 
Glad to see the club have learned lessons. This had disaster written all over it.

What even is a proven goalscorer? He's not really is he?

He's never played in the PL. He's scored loads in Turkey and Italy, so what? So did Lukaku. Sanchez was a proven goalscorer for Arsenal, how did that turn out?

There's no such thing. Delap is arguably more of a proven goalscorer than Osimhen is. At least he's proven to handle this league. And if he doesn't, loads easier to shift on.
 
Tango80 said:
Glad to see the club have learned lessons. This had disaster written all over it.

What even is a proven goalscorer? He's not really is he?

He's never played in the PL. He's scored loads in Turkey and Italy, so what? So did Lukaku. Sanchez was a proven goalscorer for Arsenal, how did that turn out?

There's no such thing. Delap is arguably more of a proven goalscorer than Osimhen is. At least he's proven to handle this league. And if he doesn't, loads easier to shift on.
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Proven goal scorer means he’s proven he can score alot of goals in a big 5 league - 26 league goals in Italy to be precise.

Delap’s experience level is pretty much where Hojlund’s was when we bought him.

And doing it in England isn't some sort of special feat. The likes of Kevin Phillips and Darren Bent scored more than double the league goals Delap had this year and no one thinks they were exactly world beaters.
 
Raoul said:
Proven goal scorer means he’s proven he can score alot of goals in a big 5 league - 26 league goals in Italy to be precise.

Delap’s experience level is pretty much where Hojlund’s was when we bought him.

And doing it in England isn't some sort of special feat. The likes of Kevin Phillips and Darren Bent scored more than double the league goals Delap had this year and no one thinks they were exactly world beaters.
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He’s got over 20 once. So has Tammy Abraham. Would you class him as a proven goalscorer and want us to sign him.

I’m probably wrong, but really feel we’ve massively dodged a bullet here.
 
Tango80 said:
Glad to see the club have learned lessons. This had disaster written all over it.

What even is a proven goalscorer? He's not really is he?

He's never played in the PL. He's scored loads in Turkey and Italy, so what? So did Lukaku. Sanchez was a proven goalscorer for Arsenal, how did that turn out?

There's no such thing. Delap is arguably more of a proven goalscorer than Osimhen is. At least he's proven to handle this league. And if he doesn't, loads easier to shift on.
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Osimhen was probably the best striker we could've hoped for in terms of feeding off scraps and scoring the scruffy goals we don't get nearly enough of.

I'm not going to lose my mind over it because it appears to be a financial issue that we can't afford him but Liam Delap is certainly not an upgrade and doesn't even come close to the top echelon of strikers.

I was no fan of Lukaku when we signed him from Everton but I'd kill for a goalscorer like that now, it's night and day between a striker like him and Liam Delap, who is currently about as run of the mill as they come.
 
Wezzaldo said:
He’s got over 20 once. So has Tammy Abraham. Would you class him as a proven goalscorer and want us to sign him.

I’m probably wrong, but really feel we’ve massively dodged a bullet here.
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We absolutely have.

This was never going to happen. It doesn't surprise me on the slightest that we decided against him.

Passing on him really is a no brainer for a club who are trying to get away from the bad recruitment decisions of the past.

I don't know what fans want, I really don't. One minute they're saying we need to be better in the transfer market, the next they're distracted by a big shiny thing. But fans are fickle.
 
Raoul said:
I suspect it may also have to do with how things turned sour with Napoli (which wasn't his fault). Nevertheless, the perception may linger that he's a difficult character to deal with, which is something Amorim will want to avoid.
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Yet we sign Cunha
 
Wezzaldo said:
He’s got over 20 once. So has Tammy Abraham. Would you class him as a proven goalscorer and want us to sign him.

I’m probably wrong, but really feel we’ve massively dodged a bullet here.
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Just to add to his, I haven't watched Osimhen enough but I have 3 Napoli fans at work citing Osimhen as a big risk for different reasons. His ability to score is beyond doubt but he's apparently quite limited in everything else mixed with some of his own attitude issues. Of course these fans will be siding with their club over the exiled player so I took the latter with a pinch of salt.

Chelsea forums seem to be less keen on Osimhen too, and more open to Delap given the fee.

It's clear as a striker to score goals Osimhen is better than Delap. But I think Delap will bag enough goals to be a success at his fee, and hel lift our level. A combination of him and Cunha will be a considerable improvement, plus we will buy more players given Delap is coming at a deep discount.

The decision doesn't appear to be Delap vs Osimhen. I think it's Delap and more in other areas of the pitch vs Just Osimhen. It arguably more balanced to do the former.
 
Raoul said:
The most important bit out of this is that Ornstein is saying we have a roughly £100 transfer budget to buy Cunha and Delap (that's assuming the fees quoted for both are accurate), without needing to sell. If true, selling Rashford, Sancho, Antony, Shaw, and the removal of Eriksen and Lindelof's wages off the books could result in a pretty big summer.
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How much income would you expect for those four? Rashy 40mil, Sancho 20m, Antony 20m, Shaw 1m. Is that enough for a "pretty big summer"?

Anyway, Ornstein is only saying what he has been told by Berrada while Wilcox is laughin, secretly working on Osimhen and Wood. But people believe Ornstein is some kind of Oracle or something. He knows feck all!


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Delap and Cunha currently have 12 and 14 goals this season in the PL. I don’t think we can turn our noses up at that return from a 22 year old in their debut season. That would improve us no question.

The fact we could buy both, and have the ability to recruit elsewhere, is a huge plus.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
Delap and Cunha currently have 12 and 14 goals this season in the PL. I don’t think we can turn our noses up at that return from a 22 year old in their debut season. That would improve us no question.

The fact we could buy both, and have the ability to recruit elsewhere, is a huge plus.
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I think people are too fixated on their output and how many goals (and assists) this duo might potentialy bring. If they just help to make the attack work it would open up the box for other players to score. Of course they should be a main source of productivity but Delap atracting both CBs to the near post, Cunha stretching the whole backline waiting on the shoulder for those diagonals, should open up space for other players to score. If they are really keen to join the project even without CL shows Wilcox and co. are doing a solid job.
 
Dominos said:
Is our stock really that low that we couldn't attract him if we win the Europa and qualify for CL? We have managerial connection advantage and frankly, as bad as we are, we still win more trophies than Arsenal (hoping Arsenal don't win CL this year to silence us all).
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We are 14th in the league and completely embarrassed ourselves last time we were in the Champions League. Arsenal are a far more attractive proposition than us right now sadly.
 
Brand Nubian said:
I think people are too fixated on their output and how many goals (and assists) this duo might potentialy bring. If they just help to make the attack work it would open up the box for other players to score. Of course they should be a main source of productivity but Delap atracting both CBs to the near post, Cunha stretching the whole backline waiting on the shoulder for those diagonals, should open up space for other players to score. If they are really keen to join the project even without CL shows Wilcox and co. are doing a solid job.
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I think you have to look at output or potential output of players, especially at the fees involved, in an area of the pitch we’ve really struggled in. I won’t judge anyone for that.

I do agree though that if you look at the profile of player I can see them dovetailing nicely with what else we have available. Of course part of me would love to see what a fox in the box Osimhen could do on the end of Bruno’s passing, but I think it makes most sense given our finances to go down a different route.
 
Andy_Cole said:
Isn’t it transfer thread to United? We’re out the race now.
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I thought I was in the Cunha thread and panicked.

Also Ornstein says we are not interested, Melissa reddy says we are.

I wonder if it's just pending a Europa run.
 
BenitoSTARR said:
I think you have to look at output or potential output of players, especially at the fees involved, in an area of the pitch we’ve really struggled in. I won’t judge anyone for that.

I do agree though that if you look at the profile of player I can see them dovetailing nicely with what else we have available. Of course part of me would love to see what a fox in the box Osimhen could do on the end of Bruno’s passing, but I think it makes most sense given our finances to go down a different route.
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Agree, Osimhen would be a big statement signing. Quite an opposite to washed up Ronaldo on outrageous wages. (Not that Osimhen wouldnt ask for serious wedge).

I just watched that brilliant header he scored for Gala the other night. The question is whether a Dan Burns or other defensive grocks would allove Victor to even get his head on the end of that Burno Fernandes esque cross.

But yeah, I spend my few newbie posts on a player who looks destined for Saudi. Shame on him, a Trezeguet type of poacher, is going to spend his best years in a circus for money instead making headlines in one of the top European leagues and CL.. (Still dont believe he will end up in Saudi, can see Boehly going again for him even stronger than last time).
 
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Dominos said:
I mean, is he going to cost more than the £62.5m Cunha will cost us? Or is it the wages you're talking about?
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His original release clause was £85.7m

The journos are reporting he might have one in the 60s this summer.

We can't afford to pay for both, or at least can't afford to pay release clause style for both. We can pay over time, as in over 3 to 5 years but release clause are only activated if you pay the full fee.

Wolves seem to be willing to work with us on paying slightly above the release clause but paying over a period of time. Sporting likely aren't willing to negotiate payment plan if they can get full whack elsewhere.
 
Brand Nubian said:
How much income would you expect for those four? Rashy 40mil, Sancho 20m, Antony 20m, Shaw 1m. Is that enough for a "pretty big summer"?

Anyway, Ornstein is only saying what he has been told by Berrada while Wilcox is laughin, secretly working on Osimhen and Wood. But people believe Ornstein is some kind of Oracle or something. He knows feck all!


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In terms of what Rashford at £40 million and the rest in wages are concerned then yes as Rashford and Sancho are on £300K+ a week and I think between Shaw and Antony that’s likely another £300K+ combined, Rashford would go down as a one off £40 million in PSR terms which would allow us to effectively buy Cunha AND Delap and their combined wages you’d imagine would be less than Rashford too.

I’m not an expert but I think we’ve got £34 million left to pay for Antony, about £14 million to pay for Sancho and Shaw was paid off years ago (although I don’t see Shaw going anywhere) so to break even we’d need £48 million on those three and Rashford is pure profit, if and it’s a big IF Chelsea WERE to buy Sancho then that’s £10 million profit on Sancho so we’d then need someone to pay £24 million for Antony so no loss is recorded in our accounts.

This is why moving Greenwood and McTominay on in the summer was so important as it offset things massively for us in regards to PSR wise then plus you factor in the wages of Heaton, Evans, Lindelof, Malacia and Eriksen on top of potentially Rashford, Sancho and Antony and you’re looking at over a million a week off the wage bill for players that don’t often if at all play for us.
 
Grande said:
They say what doesn’t kill you makes you strong, but in the case of Shaw, what doesn’t kill him only makes him available for two seven minute cameos a season.
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I heard that Phil cursed him to the curse of eternal 'back on grass next month' stasis with a delicate kiss on the cheek, as he left Old Trafford for the last time and turned to dust
 
davidmichael said:
In terms of what Rashford at £40 million and the rest in wages are concerned then yes as Rashford and Sancho are on £300K+ a week and I think between Shaw and Antony that’s likely another £300K+ combined, Rashford would go down as a one off £40 million in PSR terms which would allow us to effectively buy Cunha AND Delap and their combined wages you’d imagine would be less than Rashford too.

I’m not an expert but I think we’ve got £34 million left to pay for Antony, about £14 million to pay for Sancho and Shaw was paid off years ago (although I don’t see Shaw going anywhere) so to break even we’d need £48 million on those three and Rashford is pure profit, if and it’s a big IF Chelsea WERE to buy Sancho then that’s £10 million profit on Sancho so we’d then need someone to pay £24 million for Antony so no loss is recorded in our accounts.

This is why moving Greenwood and McTominay on in the summer was so important as it offset things massively for us in regards to PSR wise then plus you factor in the wages of Heaton, Evans, Lindelof, Malacia and Eriksen on top of potentially Rashford, Sancho and Antony and you’re looking at over a million a week off the wage bill for players that don’t often if at all play for us.
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I'm still not convinced we won't sell one of Garnacho or Mainoo to fund one or two more Amorim style players.
 
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