They don't want Garnacho anymore but apparently they might like Zirkzee
Victor Osimhen
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
The Income Tax is the killer here though. Will he really reduce his weekly wage and then give half of it to the taxman?
He's obviously not solely motivated by money or he'd have gone to the Saudi league for £500kpw after tax. He still wants a good wage of course, but presumably still wants to find a balance he's happy with between wage and playing level.
I really dont want to see Zirkzee used in any part exchange, of all the players we have hes one of the few I want to see succeed here. Take Hojlund, not Zirk
That balance will certainly not involve him taking a pay cut though, so with the taxes he would pay here it would require us to make him our highest paid player on top of the transfer fee and what are alleged to be some pretty significant fees to his representatives. I cannot see INEOS being willing to do that even if Amorim wanted him and there is no suggestion that he does.
I think he is the best fit for the team but the consistent message from the club and from those journalists who are most reliable is that we do not want Osimhen and it is not just about the money.
They need that bubble bursting, some genuinely believe we won't find his wage demands excessive
He took a pay cut to go to Gala, so Im not sure we can say for certain he won't do so again.
That was only a loan move though
That still seems very suspect. He is a Chelsea fan and they were willing to meet his release clause but he declined to take a pay cut for them and then a few days later he took a pay cut to go on loan in Turkey. I don't think I am the only one who suspects some under the table payments were involved in that one. So far all of the stories around a move this year have him refusing to contemplate anything less than his current Napoli salary which is fair enough but is still more than we are going to want to pay.
Because Napoli used him as part of Lukaku swap. Chelsea offer was loan & obligation purchase. Basically similar deal for Sancho. We now know what happened with Sancho’s obligation purchase term.
So with that context and hindsight, we could say Chelsea move was not a good deal for him. If he had done well with them, Chelsea bought him, while undervaluing his wage. Going to Galatasaray for one season works out better to put himself back on the market. He preferred taking pay cut then to play, instead of just staying idle at Napoli collecting his wage.
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Chelsea have that new weird pay structure that's less appealing to players at their prime, so I wouldn't read too much into that. He won't be the only player it turns off.
Ultimately, if someone offers his Napoli salary, they'll get him. But the point is no one seems likely to offer it. Look across the teams able to afford it, only a few are in the market for a striker, and the ones that are seem to have their eyes elsewhere. As things stand I don't see who's paying full whack for him.
Could end up stuck at Napoli then
It’s contest on who blink first (offer same wage or Osimhen takes pay cut). Happened with us getting Cavani. He’s known to be available even before previous season ended, but nobody could strike a deal. Until us and his side found a compromise near deadline days.
Imagine he rejected Al Hilal because he wants the move to us. He’s always said he admires the premier league. Imagine 2 of the hottest ST in Europe wanting to join us without CL football.
I’m wondering why Liverpool or Arsenal ain’t going for him if he’s available for like 60m. Liverpool need a ST and he’d be formidable with Salah. If Arsenal got him they probably won the league.
Liverpool are about to spend record money and have signed 2 other quality players already without any sales and Arsenal seem to have had all their eggs in the Sesko basket these last 2-3 years
Liverpool want Isak. He's unobtainable, so it seems Etkike is the alternative once they sell Nunez.
He and Gyokeres appear to be secondary targets but might heat up once the dominos start falling. Arsenal want Sesko, Liverpool and Chelsea want Ekitike, If Juve can shift Vlahovic they are supposed to be keen on Osimhen. It is why we need to get our outgoing business moving quickly so that we can pounce on whomever our primary target is before one of our rivals turn their attention that way.
Arteta seems to have pretty weird views about strikers tbf. Liverpool have gone all in on Wirtz and probably won't spend big elsewhere.
Still can't get away from that feeling he has a real aura, however no doubt Gyokeres is better fit for system
Osimhen would be the perfect striker for Arsenal but Arteta is very particular about his strikers. Go figure
He would get them a trophy over Sesko and probably challenge for the league but they won't buy him
I’m going to be so angry if they come in for Zirkzee and we hold out and then Zirkzee predictably flops and no one wants him ever again.
Eh I'm not really a believer in Zirkzee, I think he'll always be in an odd position with our setup. He's not a 9 and we'll be paying 120M for 2 new 10s. Basically he'll just be backup at best for next season. So why keep him if you can get your money back and even potentially make a little bit of a profit
Exactly. That narrative was getting boring.
Or imagine they both compete for a starting spot at United.
World class striker spotted at 01:22
If he doesn't want to play for United, but does it anyway in order to gain as much exposure as possible for his charitable work, then yes. He would be whoring himself for exposure. You can most definitely prioritize more than one thing.
Whoring:
the unworthy or corrupt use of one's talents for personal or financial gain.
Prioritize:
designate or treat (something) as more important than other things.
Words do have meanings and I use them accurately.
A proper striker's goal catalogue. Send the ball in his direction, and he will beat the defenders to it. This is a striker that will score goals in any league.
Agreed but he appears to be playing differently to the way Amorim seems to want his #9's to play.
Amorim wants a point man. Someone who holds the ball up, lays it off and then continues on the run whilst Osimhen isn't that type of player
Should we walk away from Gyokeres for him, surely if we sell the project enough he would consider wage cut similar to Galatasaray. The fact he's turned down huge money in Saudi gives feint hope he could come here.
This is the guy to break the bank for. Will instantly make us top 4 candidate or more.
Absolutely. He's a gunman. Singularly focused on putting the ball in the net. The type of striker I grew up watching.
Completely agree, however suspect Ornstein stance from April as not on list is very much still the case
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I’d be doubly gutted if we swapped Zirkzee for Osimhen. Gutted to lose Zirkzee and gutted it’s not Højlund we are losing.
Anything that opened up opportunity to sign him is fine with me, surprised the poll isn't closer really
Yeah I suspect that to be the case well. But looking at what is happening with the Gyökeres situation may lead to a change of mind. I think he's clearly open to joining us and he's actually a fan of the club too.
Yeh, but with this guy, you can't even say ah it's the Italian league, it's much slower. Because a large part of his game is getting his shots off rapidly, from acute angles. Crazily accurate first time shots. Drogba/Hasslebank spring to mind, they excelled in this league with this type of ruthlessness. Give them a chance, any chance and it's in the back of the net, but Osimen seems adept at creating his own chances when it looks almost impossible.
The one striker I'm sure wold do well in the PL. He's a purely physycal beast like Haaland, but he has Haaland-like physicality too - he's gonna run over PL defenders like a runaway freight train
His engine is insane too, he's an absolute nightmare to deal with
Issue is the really high cost, poor injury record, and a...let's say, difficult personality
He's also just probably more of a consistent 15-20 goals a season striker than a 20-25 goals one, and outside of his shooting doesn't really bring much on ball value to the table
His engine is insane too, he's an absolute nightmare to deal with
Issue is the really high cost, poor injury record, and a...let's say, difficult personality
He's also just probably more of a consistent 15-20 goals a season striker than a 20-25 goals one, and outside of his shooting doesn't really bring much on ball value to the table
There must be a reason why Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool are not interested in his service so far, given the "relatively low" release clause. Same can be said for Nico Williams.The one striker I'm sure wold do well in the PL. He's a purely physycal beast like Haaland, but he has Haaland-like physicality too - he's gonna run over PL defenders like a runaway freight train
His engine is insane too, he's an absolute nightmare to deal with
Issue is the really high cost, poor injury record, and a...let's say, difficult personality
He's also just probably more of a consistent 15-20 goals a season striker than a 20-25 goals one, and outside of his shooting doesn't really bring much on ball value to the table