Haaland or osimhen?
Victor Osimhen
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Oh sorry I misunderstand what your point was. Yeah I agree. Haaland is a beast when City are creating tons of chances and he's scoring 4 goals a game. When they're not, he's like playing a man down. He offers nothing outside of goalscoring.
Exactly, this is more likely for us, we need a more complete striker.
Osimhen
He's someone that won't add a lot to creativity and is someone who basically just finishes off good moves, I think he won't add enough to what we have. I think he might struggle in the pl a bit.
Do we need him to add creativity with Bruno, Amad, Cunha and hopefully Mbeumo too. Surely just need someone to finish those opportunities
Here's Zirkzee vs Osimhen when they both played in Serie A: Zirkzee vs Osimhen Serie A
Some posters are fairly naive as to how good Zirkzee is when he's playing in his best position and not some narrow 10.
Some posters are fairly naive as to how good Zirkzee is when he's playing in his best position and not some narrow 10.
We don't create many opportunities.
So you feel we need someone who can create opportunities out of nothing then I presume?
No but can help in that area, you don't have to jump to the extreme.
AFCON 2025 will start on Dec 21 and the final will take place on Jan,18
These the games Victor Osimhen might potentially miss:
- Aston Villa (A)
- Newcastle (H)
- Wolverhampton (H)
- Leeds (A)
- Burnley (A)
- Manchester City (H)
- FA CUP 3rd round
- FA CUP 4th round
8 matches in a very important moment of the season. It's just too much to invest £70m on him?
These the games Victor Osimhen might potentially miss:
- Aston Villa (A)
- Newcastle (H)
- Wolverhampton (H)
- Leeds (A)
- Burnley (A)
- Manchester City (H)
- FA CUP 3rd round
- FA CUP 4th round
8 matches in a very important moment of the season. It's just too much to invest £70m on him?
If we sign Mbeumo too it would mean five of our players going away for AFCON, which is too many and would potentially leave the squad down to the bare bones.
I think you're entirely missing the role that players like Haaland and Osimhen play in creating opportunities, though.
Having a striker who will get on the end of chances can, I think, be far more important than having one who contributes to build-up. I think the point @croadyman is making is that, in Cunha and Mbeumo, you're already signing two players who like to have a lot of the ball. That's in addition to Bruno, who is a complete ball magnet, and potentially Amad at right wing-back as well.
My worry with signing a striker who also wants a lot of the ball is that we'll end up with too many players who want the ball, and nobody creating the space and opportunity for them to use it to create chances.
We don't have Mbeumo and it doesn't look like we are getting him. Cunha isn't a big creator, he's more of a goal scorer.
The problem with Haaland and players like him is that they assume their athletic ability will do everything, when it doesn't. Haaland can be very difficult to make chances for, his crap movement is a problem and some teams can push him back. It becomes 10 men.
I'd disagree with you on it not looking likely that we'll get Mbeumo. I haven't seen anything which suggests that. And I also disagree on Cunha. Whilst he does score a lot, he's not what I'd consider to be an inside forward. He does create a lot of shots, and many of his goals are from fairly low percentage chances. This is why some people are worried about his xG over-performance, although personally I don't see it as an issue provided we have a good goal scorer up front.
The point I'm trying to get at is that Cunha and whoever will be playing in the right attacking midfield spot (be that Mbeumo or Amad) like to have a lot of the ball. Neither are players I'd consider to be the type that you'd need to create chances for; they are players you buy because they will create those chances if you give them the ball. This is why I think Osimhen would mesh well with them. He will, I think, create space for those players by virtue of his movement and athleticism, and he'll also be a constant threat in the penalty area which I think is going to be the single most important thing for our striker next season.
I also feel like you're overstating how much of a "problem" Haaland is for City, honestly. He scored 22 goals for them in the league last season, and that was a "bad" year for him.
Yea but just looking at goal total doesn't tell you much. Also doesn't show how much of a negative he is when the opponents defensive have him under their thumb.
Yeah it wouldn't be so bad if we had the squad depth of a cheating City or Chelsea to cope in that period
Yeah but it’s once every two years. Salah misses that time too. Missing 8 games over a 2 year period isn’t too bad all things considered.
Difference being is that's their only key player missing compared to us potentially missing four
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Hence having a good squad comes into play? If AFCON is such a big issue then we shouldn’t sign any African players.
Fair point but don't want to miss out on Mbeumo, much as I am huge fan could stomach Osimhen loss much more
AFCON is the big concern I have with Osimhen. With Amad and potentially also Mbeumo out for it, losing a third attacker in Osimhen would be very far from ideal.
Yes but one of the players we are missing during the tournament is Onana so that should improve us.
Yeah that's one of the big concerns I have
Hopefully Ornstein saying he's not the striker we'd likely sign puts this to bed.
But that's exactly what we need...especially if we have a midfield and wing backs that consist of Amad, Mbuemo, Cunha and Bruno. Someone that can finish the movements consistently. Hojlund has proven he is not that guy.
Link? When did he say this?
I find it daft that Napoli are claiming that Sancho's price is too high given that his in his last year of contract and is on high wages...pot meet kettle, kettle meet pot.
That type of dialectic thinking is admirable but also laughable, Victor is on higher wages than Sancho and Napoli is asking for a full release clause (or thereabouts) at 3x the asking price for Sancho, and both are in their last year of their contracts.
That type of dialectic thinking is admirable but also laughable, Victor is on higher wages than Sancho and Napoli is asking for a full release clause (or thereabouts) at 3x the asking price for Sancho, and both are in their last year of their contracts.
We don't have all those players, and not all of them are that creative.
Don't think that's strictly what he actually said
Thanks!
This is a good case why we should be looking elsewhere for our striker. There are plenty of other options who wouldn't miss so many games.
Yeah missing 5 players for over a month is a lot
It's not, if you can't read, or choose what you read. He's actually doubling down from his report earlier in the summer saying we're not interested.
How on earth did you reach that conclusion, maybe try listening to the podcast bit where he discusses he doesn't have the same connections to that deal as others.
A point I've made elsewhere in the transfer forum is that I find it odd that there is no talk of how zero PL teams are showing interest in Osimhen.
Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, United all in the hunt for a striker and none of them moving for Osimhen as a priority? Those that want him here don't find that odd or cause for discussion in and of itself?
Osimhen rates as second least desirable after Delap, for me, so not bothered about him coming here, but I am surprised by the seeming lack of interest in him - I didn't think it would be this bad.
Perhaps clubs queried what he's looking for straight away and felt it wasn't for them, ruling him out immediately, but it also seems off we've not heard of anyone trying to negotiate or reason with his people.
Perhaps Napoli have their own Rashford/Sancho situation here where clubs will only move for him on loan at the end of the window? Him here on loan is far more appealing to me than an actual transfer, I have to say. A loan also suits clubs because they can haggle and have it so they pay less wage than they otherwise would
But yeah, as this window moves forward, it will be interesting to see if his only suitors are Turkey and Saudi outside the outlined scenario. One thing I am certain of is that no English club is going to buy him outright.
Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, United all in the hunt for a striker and none of them moving for Osimhen as a priority? Those that want him here don't find that odd or cause for discussion in and of itself?
Osimhen rates as second least desirable after Delap, for me, so not bothered about him coming here, but I am surprised by the seeming lack of interest in him - I didn't think it would be this bad.
Perhaps clubs queried what he's looking for straight away and felt it wasn't for them, ruling him out immediately, but it also seems off we've not heard of anyone trying to negotiate or reason with his people.
Perhaps Napoli have their own Rashford/Sancho situation here where clubs will only move for him on loan at the end of the window? Him here on loan is far more appealing to me than an actual transfer, I have to say. A loan also suits clubs because they can haggle and have it so they pay less wage than they otherwise would
But yeah, as this window moves forward, it will be interesting to see if his only suitors are Turkey and Saudi outside the outlined scenario. One thing I am certain of is that no English club is going to buy him outright.
But that doesn't mean his connections are untrustworthy, does it.
In other words, it’s a trap.A point I've made elsewhere in the transfer forum is that I find it odd that there is no talk of how zero PL teams are showing interest in Osimhen.
Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, United all in the hunt for a striker and none of them moving for Osimhen as a priority? Those that want him here don't find that odd or cause for discussion in and of itself?
Osimhen rates as second least desirable after Delap, for me, so not bothered about him coming here, but I am surprised by the seeming lack of interest in him - I didn't think it would be this bad.
Perhaps clubs queried what he's looking for straight away and felt it wasn't for them, ruling him out immediately, but it also seems off we've not heard of anyone trying to negotiate or reason with his people.
Perhaps Napoli have their own Rashford/Sancho situation here where clubs will only move for him on loan at the end of the window? Him here on loan is far more appealing to me than an actual transfer, I have to say. A loan also suits clubs because they can haggle and have it so they pay less wage than they otherwise would
But yeah, as this window moves forward, it will be interesting to see if his only suitors are Turkey and Saudi outside the outlined scenario. One thing I am certain of is that no English club is going to buy him outright.
Osimhen is the second coming of Drogba and yet no one in the PL wants him. Kinda like how we gazzumped our rivals by snapping up Højlund.
I find this line of argument a bit ridiculous, honestly. When Liverpool got Salah, it isn't like a host of other Premier League sides were queuing up to thwart them. When Newcastle signed Isak, they didn't have to fight off a host of other top sides for his signature.
We can't just be judging players based on whether other top teams are also interested in them. There are a myriad of factors at play determining the players that other sides do or don't take an interest in.