Slow, outmuscled, can't win aerial duel, poor movement, can't pass or dribble... I can't find anything positive about him.
Viktor Gyökeres - Arsenal Player
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Great hair though.
Oh my word, he's absolutely terrible
Playing them next week. Let's not jynx it guys
Just goes to show the level of the Portuguese league Amorim and Gyokeres were superstars over there.
Honestly incredible Arsenal is doing well while having him play every week. Don’t think they possibly could’ve found a worse fit. He’s so so bad.
He's totally going to score against us and, as I've contributed and directed a fair amount of criticism towards the player, I'll be taking some of the blame.
For every example, there is a counter though. Jus look at our Bruno
I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't start
I called it out at the time.
The Portuguese league is made up of the equivalent of some teams that are Championship level and some that are League one level.
Its just not a useful measuring stick in comparison to the Premier League.
Why do people think Brighton, a team that famously develops players let Gyökeres go?
Gyok is not making the grade but neither are a lot of our attackers at the moment. Arteta has us concentrating too much on the defensive part of the game. We are wayyyyy too slow in attack.
Not a thing.
This always bothers me. So Bruno, Bernardo, Ronaldo, Nani, Ruben Dias, Jota, Carvaliho, Ederson, Mourinho etc. are Championship?
Some players make it from every league and some don't. Is every player from La Liga, Bubdesliga and wherever a success? No. It's just lazy
Can't be easy when every team arsenal come up against play a low block. Gyokeres was always the wrong signing for arsenal. A player who thrives on the ball being played into space in the channels or a slide rule pass through the heart of the defence. You don't get that space when playing for arsenal. Just more bodies in your way.
The three ways I see of breaking down the low block consistently for arsenal. A) either move the ball around quicker and move the opposition defence around ala peak City.
B) drop back deeper and allow the opposition to come at you and in transitions, attack with speed and purpose.
C) randomly stumble across a player who with their individual brilliance can break down a low block: Henry, Salah, Ronaldo, Rooney etc.
Option B would help gyokeres but that's not arteta football. It's the horseshoe passing till you get an opening.
It is A I look to the most there. We need to move it a lot quicker, and it starts on our side of half quite often. Too many easy turns, carries and quick forward passes are spurned for the auto side/back pass, without even much pressure on the player. It's something that is ingrained into them now you can see, and I am not sure Arteta is all that comfortable abandoning it to a degree, because he has achieved a lot of solidity in putting this in.
There was one attack that was interesting after the corner by Rice and the commentators quickly aluded to it. He pulled deliberately back and then played the quick cross in. That's a little more creative in dealing with the block. The opposition was looking for that methodical ticking around the wings and it created an issue. Most teams minus the corners are ready for what we throw at them. We hope that they are a little cavalier, but most of the teams are not.
I maintain that the biggest problem with this team is that it will simply draw too often.
There was one attack that was interesting after the corner by Rice and the commentators quickly aluded to it. He pulled deliberately back and then played the quick cross in. That's a little more creative in dealing with the block. The opposition was looking for that methodical ticking around the wings and it created an issue. Most teams minus the corners are ready for what we throw at them. We hope that they are a little cavalier, but most of the teams are not.
I maintain that the biggest problem with this team is that it will simply draw too often.
You listed a very large timeframe. Porto and Benfica from the mid 2000s-early 2010s are very different to today. Ronaldo and Nani were very young and talented players that moved early, not 26 years old. Now Bernardo Silva had his career almost ruined at Benfica by being misused and stuck in their reserve team, his departure to Monaco changed everything.
Currently the portuguese league is in transition and it's extremely difficult to judge players or head coaches and the league isn't what it was 15 to 20 years ago.
Is that because Arteta isn't brave enough to go all out for the win?
Benitez at Liverpool was similar and we beat them to the title one year because he seemed too content to just settle for draws instead of risking it all for a win.
I think you'll get over the line because your biggest rivals are City and they're just not very good.
By coincidence I was listening to a football podcast with a Portuguese journalist on it. He was asked about gyokeres issues at Arsenal. Obviously the fact that he's up against stronger and faster defenders negates the physical advantage he had in Portugal. However the journalist also said gyokeres didn't have a full pre season and that Arteta like Guardiola is a system manager. Players have to be in the right position according to the system. Gyokeres needs more freedom to move across the back line, go into channels, drop deep and thrived in Portugal on direct balls over the top to run into. Arsenal dont play to his strengths.
The journalist thought his second season with arsenal will be better. I'm not so sure.
The 'slow' arsenal system play is reminiscent at time of LVG at Utd. It would drive you nuts how slow the ball would be moved forwards. Or when it got to the wing, instead of a quick cross being put in it would be worked back around.
Used to lead to us have very few shots on target, very dull possession football.
I think that element is a little over played. He was clearly trying to kill the game off against Chelsea with some very attacking substitutions.
I think it’s less to do with intent and more to do with style and quality. We were absolutely putting teams to the sword from Jan - May two years ago. We play much better with false 9s like fit and in-form Jesus or Havertz. Not only does Gyokeres not fit how we play, he’s also an inferior player to our other option in most aspects.
None of those were playing in Portugal at 27, never having played at a higher level. No one is saying the league doesn’t produce talents. In fact, in many ways, weaker leagues often have an advantage in terms of developing talent.
But it’s becoming increasingly clear why he was still in Portugal so late into his career.
Wasn't too long ago we had fans on here saying his record at Coventry proved he could do it in England. He was a 1 in 3 striker for a CHAMPIONSHIP side.
How many decent championship strikers should be playing for a top 4 pl side?
He was never good enough for a top half side, if he had come here he'd be even worse
How many decent championship strikers should be playing for a top 4 pl side?
He was never good enough for a top half side, if he had come here he'd be even worse
I think he was hinting at the spelling
He feels like a Ten Hag signing. That's how hopeless he is.
Imagine how good Arsenal would be if they had someone like Kane or Haaland instead of this lump
Imagine how good Arsenal would be if they had someone like Kane or Haaland instead of this lump
Only thing keeping him in the team at this point is Arteta's stubbornness.
They don't need to bench him yet and Gabriel J is so injury prone I can understand treating him with crystal gloves
Once Havertz is back too he'll disappear. Will be relegated to "big body to throw in in desperare late stages of games"
They have a dozen of CBs that can do a better job…
He can be put at CB whilst Gabriel plays in strike.
Did well.
Never doubted him.
4D chess move. Using Saka as a wall to deceive everyone to make space. Saka was gifted a no thought assist.
“To fool your enemy. You must fool your ally and yourself first.” Gyokeres
“To fool your enemy. You must fool your ally and yourself first.” Gyokeres
So journeyman Luis Suarez just scored twice against PSG for Sporting, wonder how much you can take into consideration his stint there.
Good goal today. He needed that so badly. Still think he'll come good, but in his first season with Arsenal and we're trying to win the league the pressure on him is insane. Rightfully so as well. It is what it is.
Suarez is a good player as well.
Obviously the Portuguese league is much easier than the premier league but both Gyokeres and Suarez delivered in the champions league for Sporting.
His record at 28 years old was complete crap aside from in the Spanish 2nd Division before he went to Sporting.
And now he scored two against the champions of Europe, what’s the problem?
I think his role yesterday is a good one for him - coming up later on against tired defenders with lots of space to attack is going to be the most effective situations for him at Arsenal going forward
Better known as, the bench.
Expensive sub. To be fair that was his first proper goal in a while. He has a 25% goal ratio in the PL, but 60% in the CL so far, albeit of course with a lower amount of games. 9 goals in 27 games.....its Havertz type numbers so far. Havertz brings more to the table as a player, but he also makes us even less direct.