Viktor Gyökeres | Arsenal Player

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I’m not sure what you’re referring to now about the meeting. I just read that Viana agreed to the fee and then left, but maybe that’s not the case.

Hopefully you’re right re Amorim, he has my backing. But I’m not putting that sort of expectation on things with our squad in the shape it is in. It really would be something special if he had us challenging this season though.
Regarding Amorim, I agree.
Neither is United the same as Sporting, nor is the Premier League the same as the Primeira Liga. There were also special factors that helped us back then, some might apply this time as well, others not so much.
On the similar side, we also didn't have European football that year. That allowed him to better manage the squad, which was relatively small.
But there were also unique conditions. Our squad was very young and inexperienced, and was therefore not really a concern for the other title contenders until later on. And being young, they could also have felt the pressure had we had fans in the stands, which didn't happen because it was during the lockdown.
At United there will always be pressure to perform and win.

As for the meeting, I'll give you a quick timeline.
As early as October last year we've been getting reports in the media that Sporting would be open to letting Gyökeres leave for a sum lower than the release clause.
The numbers weren't always the ones we had later on, it shifted quite a few times. It was 80, then 70, then 75, etc.
Somewhere around April or May, the number (stabilized) into the 60+10 we've heard regularly now, and at no time it was mentioned who had made that agreement.
Then the season ended, the market opened and the pressure began.

About mid June, Sporting's president made a statement where he said this:
"At the end of last year's summer transfer window, Viktor's agent asked for a meeting with me.
I don't normally have meetings with agents, but I accepted eventually.
In that meeting the agent wanted to know if Sporting would be holding for the release clause again next (this) summer, to which I said no.
Viktor would be 27 by then, and it would be virtually impossible for a player of that age to be sold by a Portuguese club by 100 million. Even 90 million.
The agent then tried insistently to get me to commit to a specific value, which I refused to do.
Almost a year out, with so many things that could happen, it would be impossible to predict what the player's value would be by then."

He said a couple more things, but this is the main part of it.
After that statement, that's when Romano said that the deal had been made by Hugo Viana while he was still at Sporting, and this is what doesn't make sense.
He didn't refute anything the president, said, only claimed it was Viana instead who had done it.
Now I ask, if Viana's supposed agreement was enough for them to pull all this crap, why then was he so insistent on having a meeting with the president?
If Viana's word was enough, why did he try so hard to get Varandas to commit to a number?

The most likely answer is that he wouldn't, and therefore Viana either made that deal before the meeting and it was voided because Varandas didn't agree to it, or never did it in the first place and the agent is lying.
Either way, the agent, the player and his spokesperson fabrizio were claiming an agreement that at least one of them knew wasn't real anymore, if it ever was.
 
In fairness to Amorim he skipped Quenda who was the hot and upcoming superstar. So maybe despite of our guesses, he didn't really fancy Gyokeres.
 
You’d think he’d be saying “I only want United” to play under Amorim again. But nope “I only want Arsenal.”
I really don’t get why people thought that. They worked together for like 18 months and met when Gyökeres was like 25 or something. Now he’s 27 and it makes perfect sense why he wouldn’t prioritise us over Arsenal. We literally just finished 15th and we’re not even going to be competing in Europe next season. Meanwhile Arsenal just played a CL semifinal and looks strong enough to be there about again next season. Why would he prioritise us then where we likely struggle to even make it to CL again next season? We were obviously never the attractive option here.
 
It’s what Arsenal need stylistically, they're an incredibly shot shy team and Gyokeres is someone who will shoot on sight. No-one generated so much as 10 xG last season for Arsenal, and the person who took the most shots was Trossard with 72. By comparison, Salah had 25 xG and 121 shots. They need someone to just take a lot more risks in front of goal instead of recycling possession endlessly.

I think the reservations people had about Gyokeres are valid though. I pegged him as a 15 goal a season striker and I think those are the kind of numbers I'd expect to see from him, best case scenario, over a full season.

When you watch his goals in Portugal, you have to laugh at some of the opposition defending. He sometimes gets 4 or 5 touches to set himself and shoot. In the Prem you hit it first time or take one touch into space, after that, every touch is another opportunity for a defender to close you out.

I also think the lack of heading ability will be a challenge for Arsenal, they seem to have the ball in the air an awful lot when I watch them, especially at set pieces. It’s not a Gyokeres strength and they may need to sacrifice that tendency to get the most out of him.

But despite all that, he has a real cannon of a shot when he gets a chance and I think that he’ll get enough chances to turn in a decent 15 goal season. Will he be good enough to turn out the 20 goals (minus pens) that is the stamp of an outstanding season? Not convinced.

A good post, the first part about Arsenal being shot shy is particularly observant, I think part of our problem last season is that we became a bit too system orientated. Havertz & Merino mostly coming towards to ball and too much recycling of possession. We lacked the skill and spontaneity someone like Jesus can bring. I think that's an appealing thing for guys like Gyokeres and Madueke they bring a certain level of 'chaos', i'd describe them as disrupters, they play outwith the system a little, they play with a bit more individuality and responsibility, they take players on, they take shots on, and we needed to add that to our game.

Gyokeres is a different type of player to what we have, he's more bullish than skilful, but he will run away from the ball instead of towards it a lot more than the guys we have. We might have to change our game a little, but it hopefully should allow us to play a bit more quicker, a bit more direct in transition. Zubimendi will hopefully play through the lines a bit quicker as well to find him earlier.

I don't think we'll ever really attack with the pace that Liverpool do mind you, but there is a balance that we have found in previous seasons, and even at times last season, I think we were just a bit off it too many times.
 
For me he’s completely the wrong type of striker for Arsenal. I think they need a striker badly, but they need one who is good in tight spaces, when the team have a lot of the ball. They don’t play a lot of fast counter attacks and they don’t play in behind a lot. A lot of what makes Gyokeres good is that he makes those selfless runs into the channels, in behind etc., and as others have said, is a bit of a bulldozer. Against teams who sit deep and soak up Arsenal’s possession, o don’t think he has the technical ability to make a difference. He doesn’t excel in tight spaces against packed defences, he’s used to having a lot of space to operate in. Arsenal isn’t set up to make use of his skillset.

I could of course be completely wrong, but someone like Ekitike, who’s a much more well rounded and technical forward would’ve been perfect for them. Gyokeres, I think will do okay in the league, but I think Arsenal just isn’t a great fit for him stylistically.
 
For me he’s completely the wrong type of striker for Arsenal. I think they need a striker badly, but they need one who is good in tight spaces, when the team have a lot of the ball. They don’t play a lot of fast counter attacks and they don’t play in behind a lot. A lot of what makes Gyokeres good is that he makes those selfless runs into the channels, in behind etc., and as others have said, is a bit of a bulldozer. Against teams who sit deep and soak up Arsenal’s possession, o don’t think he has the technical ability to make a difference. He doesn’t excel in tight spaces against packed defences, he’s used to having a lot of space to operate in. Arsenal isn’t set up to make use of his skillset.

I could of course be completely wrong, but someone like Ekitike, who’s a much more well rounded and technical forward would’ve been perfect for them. Gyokeres, I think will do okay in the league, but I think Arsenal just isn’t a great fit for him stylistically.
I think Havertz and Jesus are quite good in them situations. They need something different from how they have been playing really. It wasn't great.
 
For me he’s completely the wrong type of striker for Arsenal. I think they need a striker badly, but they need one who is good in tight spaces, when the team have a lot of the ball. They don’t play a lot of fast counter attacks and they don’t play in behind a lot. A lot of what makes Gyokeres good is that he makes those selfless runs into the channels, in behind etc., and as others have said, is a bit of a bulldozer. Against teams who sit deep and soak up Arsenal’s possession, o don’t think he has the technical ability to make a difference. He doesn’t excel in tight spaces against packed defences, he’s used to having a lot of space to operate in. Arsenal isn’t set up to make use of his skillset.

I could of course be completely wrong, but someone like Ekitike, who’s a much more well rounded and technical forward would’ve been perfect for them. Gyokeres, I think will do okay in the league, but I think Arsenal just isn’t a great fit for him stylistically.

the other thing is arsenal love to spam crosses in the box and he isn't that good in the air
 
Well no one knows if that part was true or not. That was a rumour emanating from the sporting side. The agent has cried foul about sporting and saying they're not honouring an agreement they had and he has proof. Since then, he's waived his fee from sporting and reduced his fee, so Arsenal don't have to spend any more money and Sporting don't lose money on the sale. This is so obviously his feck up, what kind of businessman throws money away like that for any other reason?

Well perhaps I’m being naive, but an agent that wants to make the deal happen for his client? He may still be happy with the money he’s getting. How do you think the agent has been the one to feck it up? Genuine question as I’ve not been keeping up to date with this one. But the bits I’ve seen appear to be disagreements between clubs. Surely once it gets to the stage of clubs agreeing a fee, the agent has little input.
 
In fairness to Amorim he skipped Quenda who was the hot and upcoming superstar. So maybe despite of our guesses, he didn't really fancy Gyokeres.

I think it's boring for a manager to move clubs and just bring the players he had before. Also it doesn't necessarily work (Antony for example)
 
Well perhaps I’m being naive, but an agent that wants to make the deal happen for his client? He may still be happy with the money he’s getting. How do you think the agent has been the one to feck it up? Genuine question as I’ve not been keeping up to date with this one. But the bits I’ve seen appear to be disagreements between clubs. Surely once it gets to the stage of clubs agreeing a fee, the agent has little input.
I think you are. The agent has clearly stated in the media that he thinks a particular price was agreed he could leave at, Sporting denied and Arsenal have paid pretty close to that price, but he's the only one out of pocket. If you generally do business for a fee and you end up having to slash your overall fee for a deal by over 50%, you've clearly not done a very good job. The disagreement between the clubs stem from him, neither club has moved their original expectations (maybe Arsenal by 3.5m or so).
 
I like Gyokeres as a player but Sesko was clearly their preferred option.

It does seem a bit of a flip flop in terms of profile which may concern some Arsenal fans.
 
As long as the adaptation goes smooth and he stays fit and first choice I'm sure he will score at least 15-20 goals in the league first season. His finishing is better than Ekitikes imo and they surely will provide him with enough goalscoring chances for those numbers.
 
I think you are. The agent has clearly stated in the media that he thinks a particular price was agreed he could leave at, Sporting denied and Arsenal have paid pretty close to that price, but he's the only one out of pocket. If you generally do business for a fee and you end up having to slash your overall fee for a deal by over 50%, you've clearly not done a very good job. The disagreement between the clubs stem from him, neither club has moved their original expectations (maybe Arsenal by 3.5m or so).

In most professions I would agree, but I’m not convinced it’s an admission of a mistake on the agents part here. The agent acts primarily on the behalf of the player, and Gyokeres has seemingly reflected that he also believed in this release clause. I suppose we’ll see how it shakes out in the end, if he sacks his agent after this then I’d say I’d likely. If it was your lawyer or accountant that messed up then they’d get sacked.

I’m guessing though that the agent is getting a decent amount of money still. And it wouldn’t surprise me if Gyokeres will top up his fee somehow for making the deal happen. I suspect that this is more of a PSR issue and Arsenal didn’t want an additional £6m on their books.
 
For me he’s completely the wrong type of striker for Arsenal. I think they need a striker badly, but they need one who is good in tight spaces, when the team have a lot of the ball. They don’t play a lot of fast counter attacks and they don’t play in behind a lot. A lot of what makes Gyokeres good is that he makes those selfless runs into the channels, in behind etc., and as others have said, is a bit of a bulldozer. Against teams who sit deep and soak up Arsenal’s possession, o don’t think he has the technical ability to make a difference. He doesn’t excel in tight spaces against packed defences, he’s used to having a lot of space to operate in. Arsenal isn’t set up to make use of his skillset.

I could of course be completely wrong, but someone like Ekitike, who’s a much more well rounded and technical forward would’ve been perfect for them. Gyokeres, I think will do okay in the league, but I think Arsenal just isn’t a great fit for him stylistically.

I agree, if the only weapon against tight spaces is headers then we will be struggling.

Where I think he will help is that he has a natural strikers ability, to manipulate the ball to make sure he gets his shot off, and when he does shoot, he shoots with power and accuracy. More importantly, he has intent. The first thought when he gets around the box, is how to get a shot off.With Arsenal at teams you feel they just shoot because the have to.

As I pointed out above, my hope is that it forces a change in the style of play to suit him more. It's a bit like the Chicken and Egg analogy, is how we play set in stone and the forwards need to adapt, or is the style of play dictated to somewhat by the forward profile we have?
 
I like Gyokeres as a player but Sesko was clearly their preferred option.

It does seem a bit of a flip flop in terms of profile which may concern some Arsenal fans.
It absolutely does not concern me at all.

55 million quid for arguably the best established striker available to Arsenal on the market is nothing short of sublime business.

Sesko was a far higher risk. Isak wants Liverpool so was not available to us.

Also, just the fact we finally signed a striker is fantastic.
 
In most professions I would agree, but I’m not convinced it’s an admission of a mistake on the agents part here. The agent acts primarily on the behalf of the player, and Gyokeres has seemingly reflected that he also believed in this release clause. I suppose we’ll see how it shakes out in the end, if he sacks his agent after this then I’d say I’d likely. If it was your lawyer or accountant that messed up then they’d get sacked.

I’m guessing though that the agent is getting a decent amount of money still. And it wouldn’t surprise me if Gyokeres will top up his fee somehow for making the deal happen. I suspect that this is more of a PSR issue and Arsenal didn’t want an additional £6m on their books.
Gyokeres is believing what he's told by his agent, it all comes back to him. There will be no point in sacking his agent really, he's 27, probably on a 5 year deal with Arsenal and he's not lost any money over it (so I think anyway).

Great agent that, paying him more for doing his job after causing a fuss in the first place :lol:. I'm sure relatively speaking it is a good amount of money, but if you were running a business and your main source of income was fees and you just waived them to get deals thorough, you'd be up shit creek very quickly. What's to say his other clients will not ask him to do the same now? Akliouche, who's on his books really wants to go to Palace, but they don't want to pay Monaco. Is he going to do the same to make it happen for the player?
 
Gyokeres is believing what he's told by his agent, it all comes back to him. There will be no point in sacking his agent really, he's 27, probably on a 5 year deal with Arsenal and he's not lost any money over it (so I think anyway).

Great agent that, paying him more for doing his job after causing a fuss in the first place :lol:. I'm sure relatively speaking it is a good amount of money, but if you were running a business and your main source of income was fees and you just waived them to get deals thorough, you'd be up shit creek very quickly. What's to say his other clients will not ask him to do the same now? Akliouche, who's on his books really wants to go to Palace, but they don't want to pay Monaco. Is he going to do the same to make it happen for the player?

Gyokeres was in the meeting too though wasn’t he, where they were supposed to have verbally agreed this release clause? I’m not really arguing with you as I doing claim to know the ins and the outs, but if the agent is the one that has screwed this whole deal up to it almost falling through, then that is some story and I’d like to hear it. All I’ve read about is some falling out between the cubs and some stuff about somebody signing the contractual transfer agreement by changing the clauses in the signed agreement, which they hoped would fall under the radar of the other club. But obviously there’s contrasting stories on who did this.
 
Gyokeres was in the meeting too though wasn’t he, where they were supposed to have verbally agreed this release clause? I’m not really arguing with you as I doing claim to know the ins and the outs, but if the agent is the one that has screwed this whole deal up to it almost falling through, then that is some story and I’d like to hear it. All I’ve read about is some falling out between the cubs and some stuff about somebody signing the contractual transfer agreement by changing the clauses in the signed agreement, which they hoped would fall under the radar of the other club. But obviously there’s contrasting stories on who did this.
Not sure, I'd be surprised if he was, but who knows. We'll have to see what comes out, there will be damage limitation from both sides, or maybe there's some mutually assured destruction :lol:. The fact the agent is so out of pocket from this is a giant red flag for me, but you're right, there's contrasting narratives.
 
Please not Hojlund v him on Aug 17, if we can't get a striker by then at least play Cunha/Mbeumo there
 
In fairness to Amorim he skipped Quenda who was the hot and upcoming superstar. So maybe despite of our guesses, he didn't really fancy Gyokeres.

I'm not sure United skipped Quenda as much as United didn't want to match the offer Chelsea made.
Remember, Quenda will stay at Sporting for this season on a loan deal, he's only going there next year.


Gyokeres is believing what he's told by his agent, it all comes back to him. There will be no point in sacking his agent really, he's 27, probably on a 5 year deal with Arsenal and he's not lost any money over it (so I think anyway).

Maybe the agent misrepresented the agreement between himself and Sporting, but I bet Gyökeres won't mind as long as he gets the move he wants.
If, however, this ends up not happening (unlikely), he's seriously going to reconsider his relationship with centikaya.
 
Basically same money we paid for Højlund. Hope it turns out as well for them as it did for us.
 
I'm not sure United skipped Quenda as much as United didn't want to match the offer Chelsea made.
Remember, Quenda will stay at Sporting for this season on a loan deal, he's only going there next year.




Maybe the agent misrepresented the agreement between himself and Sporting, but I bet Gyökeres won't mind as long as he gets the move he wants.
If, however, this ends up not happening (unlikely), he's seriously going to reconsider his relationship with centikaya.
Hence Centikaya pissing money away to make it happen!
 
Arsenal drew too many games last season and failed to convert 1-0 leads. I suspect this signing will go some way to improving their ability to take games away from mid table fodder - the kind of teams who ruined their season.
 
I must have missed the part where Gyokeres made Arsenal better than Liverpool.
I think the idea is that having drawn 14 games, signing a potentially elite striker gives them some capacity to pick up more wins.

It’s doesn’t mean it will happen but this is supposedly what they’ve been lacking for two years.
 
I think the idea is that having drawn 14 games, signing a potentially elite striker gives them some capacity to pick up more wins.

It’s doesn’t mean it will happen but this is supposedly what they’ve been lacking for two years.
I think aiming to hit 90-91 points is an ambitious but feasible goal for them that ought to win them the title most years. Can't control what others are doing, but I don't think they have the team for epic achievements should another team do better than that.

Also think there is a good chance the Arteta cycle has peaked though and the squad is no longer receptive to having their pockets picked and staring at light bulbs for motivation. I reckon they will come third myself.
 
I think aiming to hit 90-91 points is an ambitious but feasible goal for them that ought to win them the title most years. Can't control what others are doing, but I don't think they have the team for epic achievements should another team do better than that.

Also think there is a good chance the Arteta cycle has peaked though and the squad is no longer receptive to having their pockets picked and staring at light bulbs for motivation. I reckon they will come third myself.
Ultimately, the only team to retain the title in the last 15 years is Man City. On the balance of probabilities it’s completely up for grabs. A team who drew 14 games signing a striker dubbed one of the most lethal in Europe are absolutely in with a shout, not to mention the capture of Zubimendi.

From Liverpool’s perspective, it could be argued that possibly too much has changed in one window, especially if Diaz and Nunez are still potentially gone. That’s not to say I think Liverpool are weaker, but these things are not guaranteed either way.
 
I must have missed the part where Gyokeres made Arsenal better than Liverpool.
"No excuses now", is just an easy thing to say to find a negative angle on broadly positive news.

ClubApprox. Total Spend
Liverpool£254.5 m – £295.9 m
Manchester City£260 m
Chelsea£198 m – £227 m
Arsenal£118.5 m

By the time the transfer window closes, last year's top 4 will have spent well over a billion. There "no excuses" for all four, but only one is going to win.
 
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