Chido Obi and Liam Delap up frontI’d imagine Amorim would be gutted to miss out on both Gyokeres and Quenda.
But then again Amorim has played his part in the atrocious league form, so I could see him accepting a cheaper alternative.
I understand the sentiment, and I appreciate that we - of all fanbases - know what it's like to be burned on terribly overpriced players who turned out to be nowhere near as able as the valuation suggested, but that has been down to terrible recruitment of players who weren't well regarded in the first place. In other words, we've paid obscene amounts for players that nobody else would because they don't see a player worth that amount in assessment.Can we really take another risk at signing someone expensive? What happens if he flops? The only way i see us getting out of this mess is that we sign cheaper players who bring a ton of value to the squad. If they fail, we dont incur heavy losses and move them on.
I’m no big fan of Delap but he definitely fits that low risk high (potential) reward signing
Can we really take another risk at signing someone expensive? What happens if he flops? The only way i see us getting out of this mess is that we sign cheaper players who bring a ton of value to the squad. If they fail, we dont incur heavy losses and move them on.
I’m no big fan of Delap but he definitely fits that low risk high (potential) reward signing
You make fair points, but, who knows, he could be another Bruno. I'm not Bruno's biggest fan but he came in from that league and made an immediate impact so it can happen. I'd say he's our only undisputed successful signing this past decade, too. You can argue others but I think everyone else would split the fanbase somewhat whereas Bruno is generally regarded as a success regardless of how highly you may or may not rate him, but I digress!Surprised how many people want him, if you go through his goals this season you wouldn't be able to name a single player in the teams he plays against - the Portuguese league is so bad. I don't think he's scored against Porto/Benfica (could be wrong), 12 of his league goals are penalties and his npXG is 20ish, large overperformance. His compilations are hilarious too, the defenders look sunday league level they go flying at every opportunity. His hattrick v Man City is so overrated too, 2 penalties and the other goal fair enough but was up against a random kid called Simpson-Pusey (where he still lost his duels). Biomechanics look average, takes ages to get his shot off I just don't see him replicating half his goals for a big PL team
Particularly if they both ended up going to Chelsea, like you say he might well have to make do with an unproven Delap unless we win EuropaI’d imagine Amorim would be gutted to miss out on both Gyokeres and Quenda.
But then again Amorim has played his part in the atrocious league form, so I could see him accepting a cheaper alternative.
I am a bit surprised that so many on here are so deflated regarding our attractiveness.
We`ve had a rough season amidst change in the club, but we are still Manchester United, still one of the biggest and most popular clubs in the world. And as such we are not going to stay at this seasons level for long.
It really is as much of a gamble as Delap, just for different reasons and at a costlier price pointSurprised how many people want him, if you go through his goals this season you wouldn't be able to name a single player in the teams he plays against - the Portuguese league is so bad. I don't think he's scored against Porto/Benfica (could be wrong), 12 of his league goals are penalties and his npXG is 20ish, large overperformance. His compilations are hilarious too, the defenders look sunday league level they go flying at every opportunity. His hattrick v Man City is so overrated too, 2 penalties and the other goal fair enough but was up against a random kid called Simpson-Pusey (where he still lost his duels). Biomechanics look average, takes ages to get his shot off I just don't see him replicating half his goals for a big PL team
We couldn´t exactly pick and choose whoever we fancied when we were in our pomp with Fergie either. Getting top players are always difficult. But it feels like people are completely throwing ing in the towel early.I think for players in Gyokeres' age bracket we are probably not as appealing a move as players on either side of that bracket, since it feels unlikely that we challenge for major trophies within the next 2-3 years. It's different for Yoro or Zirkzee, if things don't work out here then they just move on, but someone in the 26-29 age bracket, the next 2-3 years are probably the last of their absolute peak years and the years they would be hoping to actually win some big trophies, if they have not already done so.
I can understand the pessimism about someone like him. Still hope we can manage to get him though.
Surprised how many people want him, if you go through his goals this season you wouldn't be able to name a single player in the teams he plays against - the Portuguese league is so bad. I don't think he's scored against Porto/Benfica (could be wrong), 12 of his league goals are penalties and his npXG is 20ish, large overperformance. His compilations are hilarious too, the defenders look sunday league level they go flying at every opportunity. His hattrick v Man City is so overrated too, 2 penalties and the other goal fair enough but was up against a random kid called Simpson-Pusey (where he still lost his duels). Biomechanics look average, takes ages to get his shot off I just don't see him replicating half his goals for a big PL team
Between 13 and 17 goals. How is that at least 30m better than Delap, who may score more in a better team than Ipswich?Biomechanics looks average? I dont think it does. He also has very impressive physique. A really fast, strong runner with «perfect build».
His npxg in the CL this season is at 0,45. That is probably more representative of where he would be in the PL. That would probably leave him in the range of 13 and 17 goals from open play in the PL. But he also has, consistently, good xag numbers and he is a player that would get close to 10 assists.
Between 13 and 17 goals. How is that at least 30m better than Delap, who may score more in a better team than Ipswich?
To be honest I don’t have a preference either way. I just disagree with those that think he’s nailed on to score lots here. For me he’s as much of a gamble as Delap just at a higher price pointRemember, Sporting is not much better in the CL than Ipswich is in PL.
To be honest I don’t have a preference either way. I just disagree with those that think he’s nailed on to score lots here. For me he’s as much of a gamble as Delap just at a higher price point
There's no guarantee that Delap may score better with us.Between 13 and 17 goals. How is that at least 30m better than Delap, who may score more in a better team than Ipswich?
There’s no guarantee with any of themThere's no guarantee that Delap may score better with us.
I agree. And I understand your worries of having another big money flop. I think the biggest plus of Gyokeres is his past with Amorim. Hojlund seems to not being able to understand what Amorim wants from him. He's not good enough but that aspect makes it even worse. Gyokeres would come in and instantly know what his role is. So with a good pre season and if he adapts well to the league, he will very likely do well. His Championship past will help him. He just gives me the vibes of a late bloomer, like Vardy, rather than a one hit wonder.There’s no guarantee with any of them
Yes I do agree that his previous relationship should work well and he’d have an understanding of what the coach is trying to do.I agree. And I understand your worries of having another big money flop. I think the biggest plus of Gyokeres is his past with Amorim. Hojlund seems to not being able to understand what Amorim wants from him. He's not good enough but that aspect makes it even worse. Gyokeres would come in and instantly know what his role is. So with a good pre season and if he adapts well to the league, he will very likely do well. His Championship past will help him. He just gives me the vibes of a late bloomer, like Vardy, rather than a one hit wonder.
Yeah you would think if that previous relationship was so strong he would give us green light for joining irrespective of whether we get Champions LeagueYes I do agree that his previous relationship should work well and he’d have an understanding of what the coach is trying to do.
I may be wrong I’m just not convinced (yet) that the player himself sees that relationship as that important.
Anyways time will tell over the coming weeks
It could be a significant factor without being an overwhelming one. Feel we're getting a bit binary about this.Yeah you would think if that previous relationship was so strong he would give us green light for joining irrespective of whether we get Champions League
Yeah you would think if that previous relationship was so strong he would give us green light for joining irrespective of whether we get Champions League
Yeah feels like it would take one heck of a sell of the project from Ruben to pull off this coupPlayers don’t join struggling teams/clubs when they have the option of more competitive clubs just because they get along with the manager
Generally speaking, I don’t think most people conduct their career like that
It's a big step many players from Portugal have climbed actually. His stats are that great that he simply has a very low chance he will fail. I know he somehow failed previously in England, but he's a very different player now and would fit very well in our team. With Cunha, him and Amad/Cherki on the right, I think we would have a totally different team.Stylistically Gyokeres would fit in like a glove, he's exactly the type of striker we need.
It's a big step up from Portugal though, but if we can buy him (he wants the move and we have the money), then it's a chance we should take.
To be honest I don’t have a preference either way. I just disagree with those that think he’s nailed on to score lots here. For me he’s as much of a gamble as Delap just at a higher price point
Stylistically Gyokeres would fit in like a glove, he's exactly the type of striker we need.
It's a big step up from Portugal though, but if we can buy him (he wants the move and we have the money), then it's a chance we should take.
Agreed.
Who was the last player that scored loads of goals in the Portuguese league that went on to be successful in a top European league?
Its not the league he's coming from, its the level of quality he exhibits at the individual level. If the quality of a league was relevant, players like Lewandowski, Modric, Kvaratsheilia and countless others may have never seen the light of day in bigger leagues.
Its not the league he's coming from, its the level of quality he exhibits at the individual level. If the quality of a league was relevant, players like Lewandowski, Modric, Kvaratsheilia and countless others may have never seen the light of day in bigger leagues.
Falcao, probably the only one too.Agreed.
Who was the last player that scored loads of goals in the Portuguese league that went on to be successful in a top European league?
I’d imagine Amorim would be gutted to miss out on both Gyokeres and Quenda.
But then again Amorim has played his part in the atrocious league form, so I could see him accepting a cheaper alternative.
Agreed.
Who was the last player that scored loads of goals in the Portuguese league that went on to be successful in a top European league?
Falcao, probably the only one too.
Bruno?
Its not the league he's coming from, its the level of quality he exhibits at the individual level. If the quality of a league was relevant, players like Lewandowski, Modric, Kvaratsheilia and countless others may have never seen the light of day in bigger leagues.
He's not playing in a high quality league though. Three years ago Darwin Nunez was the top scorer in that league, but if you look at the actual goals he scored then you can see why he failed to replicate those numbers in England. Some of the goalkeepers in that league make Onana look like a world beater!
The Premier League is arguably the strongest it's ever been now compared to other European leagues. Teams like Brighton, Bournemouth, Wolves and West Ham are far far stronger than their Portuguese equivalents.
Gyokeres is 27 in June and is yet to score a single goal in one of Europe's top leagues. The idea that he's a sure thing just isn't true at all.
But how many of them were signed for £60m +? Modric went Spurs, Kvar Napoli and Lewan Dortmund... also, all under 23, not 27 60m+ fee.
The money shouldn't be an issue from our perspective. We have a chance to land one of the world's best strikers. There's a reason Arsenal and others are also hot on his trail.
Yes, and there were alot clubs hot on Nunez trail... Oshimen when he was valued at 140m, Joao Felix... even Gonzalo Ramon... Arsenal being hot on a players trail doesn't mean they are the best striker... Arsenal were very hot on Murdryk too.
We will forever run the risk of buying players with bad biomechanics until we start to do semen samples as part of the initial tapping up process.Surprised how many people want him, if you go through his goals this season you wouldn't be able to name a single player in the teams he plays against - the Portuguese league is so bad. I don't think he's scored against Porto/Benfica (could be wrong), 12 of his league goals are penalties and his npXG is 20ish, large overperformance. His compilations are hilarious too, the defenders look sunday league level they go flying at every opportunity. His hattrick v Man City is so overrated too, 2 penalties and the other goal fair enough but was up against a random kid called Simpson-Pusey (where he still lost his duels). Biomechanics look average, takes ages to get his shot off I just don't see him replicating half his goals for a big PL team
