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Viktor Gyökeres | Arsenal Player
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Nowhere were probabilities mentioned.
Great to hear that approach. Under Woodward I get the feeling we were guilty of shoving more money in the hands of such players to get them to join.
We want players who want to play for us, not players who want to get paid by us.
I'm assuming that last part is a coping mechanism.
It's being attributed to sport tv portugal by Romano and others. I assume it's not from the press conference. Doesn't mean they didn't chop up an answer though as it only seems to be being reported second hand so far.
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"That's why leagues should be ignored and all the focus should be on individual player qualities"
This directly contradicts the incredibly impressive work done by analytics in using player performance in a particular league as being predictive of how they'll perform in other leagues, which is so far very accurate.
Just because probabilities wasn't directly mentioned doesn't mean the post isn't displaying a very poor understanding of it.
That's not what was intended with my previous posts about Gyokeres. The fact that probabilities weren't mentioned in my previous comments is also quite relevant. Although they have been brought him in many other posts. Gyokeres's xG is pretty high
It's exactly what a proper Manchester United manager would say. Who ever we sign up front has just as much chance scoring goals as Gyorkeres in this league. Too many big money signings fail in the premiere league so is it worth spending all that when you could bring in a few more solid players. He's not even considered a cherry on the cake never mind for a club that has no cake.
Well, I wanna see the reaction of all those who question Gyokeres when he starts banging goals for Arsenal...
I'm sure our anxieties would have been soothed because will have signed Delap.
Well if he didn't want to come here then will just get behind whoever Ruben decides to sign instead of him
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Why assume he goes to Arsenal? Maybe he spends five minutes talking to Arteta and thinks feck this I've had enough already
I’m pretty sure 90% of people would prefer Gyokeres over Delap, but if he doesn’t want to join then we can’t force him. I’m sure he will do well for Arsenal if he joins them, and he would make them an instant contender if he carries on his form. Which would be shit of course.
Strange take, any footballer with ambition to play at the top level would want to play in the UCL. From Gyökeres perspective he should choose a better team like Arsenal or Liverpool as he's entering his prime. Right now Manchester United is far from the ideal destiny for the very best players and I don't think winning the Europa League will change drastically how attractive the club is perceived.
I think for striker, its simply a matter of timing.
If we happen to win the EL, that would qualify us for the CL on May 21st. At that point, we could begin preliminary negotiations with the leverage that we would be competing for the same trophies as Liverpool and Arsenal and could use the period from May 21st to June 1st when the summer window opens, to prepare bids for Gyokeres and others.
With Cunha, we really don't have such constraints since Wolves are going down and he seems pretty vocal that he wants to move to United. So all we would need to do at this point is to nail down our striker.
The CL money gained by qualifying would also open the floodgates to generate funds for the likes of Mastantuono, Ederson or anyone else. Doubly so once Rashford, Sancho, and Antony are moved on.
You can't say the manager refusing to sign players not fully committed to the club and/or his vision a strange take and then say Arsenal and/or Liverpool are a better destination from the player's perspective.
How's it a strange take? He's saying he wants a player that wants to play for united specifically, not just one that wants to play CL.
Also, one that won’t throw his toys out the pram should we fail to qualify at the end of next season - which is a distinct possibility, let’s be real.
I was really bummed out when Torres moved to Liverpool a few years ago, especially considering how well he performed there in his 1st season especially. I’d feel a similar way if Gyökeres joined Arsenal, since his current form is fecking rocket and if he could maintain it, will definitely significantly strengthen their attack.
Yeah not sure I would want to take the risk at big money. Until his move to Sporting he was a middling Championship striker, albeit he did have a good season with Coventry which put him on Sporting’s radar.
It would be a risk but guess it could pay off as he’s not the first striker where everything clicked a little later on in his career. His stats for Sporting and Sweden since he burst onto the scene a bit are impressive. Still a little unsure though.
It would be a risk but guess it could pay off as he’s not the first striker where everything clicked a little later on in his career. His stats for Sporting and Sweden since he burst onto the scene a bit are impressive. Still a little unsure though.
Yep, good point. It's going to take a little while to right this ship and we don't want another Di Maria situation.
Hope not, they have more points than we do!
I was just writing because of the doubters here who have never heard of late bloomers.
Do you actually believe people wanting him here really believe he would score 50 goals in the PL?
The poster opinion is absurd, according to him we should have avoided signing Bruno our best player in the past 5 years who by the way doubled his numbers in the PL.
So fecking true!Let’s not sign anyone else whose heart isn’t in it ala di Maria. Amorim is absolutely correct. Get players who want to be here and are 100% committed the club.
Nunez failings aren't really down to the league or goalkeepers though, he finds himself in space all the time and gets on the end of tons of chances but just cannot finish. He misses open goals and all sorts, but his talent for finding space is top tier and shows in the Premier League as well as it shows anywhere.
But you say he cannot finish but he did in Portugal... in 28 games scored 26 league goals and 8 in the CL.
So its clear evidence that scoring in the Portugese league is not a sure thing that the player will score in the PL.
That season is an outlier. Plenty of players have the odd great scoring season.
He gets on the end of so many chances that if it clicks for him for a while he will be prolific but that just rarely happens.
He is similar to Sterling who had some great goalscoring seasons in England but no one would say he's a great finisher because he missed so many. They both have great movement and if things click/ they get a bit of luck then they can rack up goals but never consistent enough in front of goal to call them good finishers.
When I read the comments of our fans it seems like we find flaws for every striker that is being linked to our club. For example some of the arguments are Osimhen and Gyokeres are playing in weaker leagues, Osimhen only once scored over 15 league goals, Osimhen and Gyokeres don't fit the INEOS transfer policy because of their age, both of them are too expensive for INEOS, we don't need Delap because we already have two young strikers like Hojlund and Zirkzee, Delap isn't good enough for Manchester United etc.
Realistically is there a striker on the market that ticks all the boxes?
Some of the criteriums for our new striker according to all those arguments are:
- not too young but also not too old so he would fit the INEOS transfer policy
- would have an instant impact and start goals consistently since we are desperate for that type of striker
- would want to come to a club that potentially wouldn't play any european competitions next season
- would reject our other competitors that would also want to buy that striker to join us, in circumstances where probably most of those competitors are in a better situation than we are
- wouldn't have a high transfer fee because INEOS doesn't want to splash 70-80 millions pounds on a striker
- wouldn't demand wages that are too high due to our wage structure
The answer is no, there isn't a striker like that on the market. There isn't a perfect option on the market, we have to make piece with that. Whichever striker we sign in the summer, we have to make some kind of gamble with him and hope it turns out great for us.
Realistically is there a striker on the market that ticks all the boxes?
Some of the criteriums for our new striker according to all those arguments are:
- not too young but also not too old so he would fit the INEOS transfer policy
- would have an instant impact and start goals consistently since we are desperate for that type of striker
- would want to come to a club that potentially wouldn't play any european competitions next season
- would reject our other competitors that would also want to buy that striker to join us, in circumstances where probably most of those competitors are in a better situation than we are
- wouldn't have a high transfer fee because INEOS doesn't want to splash 70-80 millions pounds on a striker
- wouldn't demand wages that are too high due to our wage structure
The answer is no, there isn't a striker like that on the market. There isn't a perfect option on the market, we have to make piece with that. Whichever striker we sign in the summer, we have to make some kind of gamble with him and hope it turns out great for us.
The answer is simple. We must sign the next Messi.
I never said they did. Even if he has a 50% drop off, he’d still be the best striker at the club since Van Persie
Would've loved to have Torres here.
I remember him being heavily linked to us during the Euro's, where his performances for Spain were really great.
I think that Pep arse kisser Balague was heavily involved in the rumours gaining traction /heat. He may have even suggested Torres was house hunting in Cheshire.
I think, out of the players we've missed out on in recent times, Torres is up there with 'too small' David Silva and Griezmann, who I think would've been great under Jose in the SS/n10 role.
Incorrect.
Gyokeres has 38 league goals this season. So if he comes to United... he wont be taking pens as Bruno takes them, so take his 12 pen goals out this season... 26 goals and 50% that and its 13 league goals.
Not really the best ST since Van Persie is it?
Let’s ignore the fact I plucked the 50% drop off figure from my arse and just look at the numbers then. He’s got 52 goals this season. Let’s assume with the form he’s in, and games left to play that he ends on 56 for the season. Half that and he’s on 28 - a figure only matched by Zlatan in a season he also took penalties for us. He’d be up there.
I’m not going to argue numbers translate directly from the Portuguese league to the Prem. I’m still sceptical. But it’s not a shit league, and as I say even if he weighs in half his numbers were still looking at our best forward in a decade.
When was the last time we got 19 penalties in a season? Because thats how many Gyokeres has scored in all comps this season.
Also... Rashford for 30 goals a couple seasons ago... so its not like he would be best since RVP then?
Rashford wasn’t playing as a striker though was he.
I think you’re overanalysing what was supposed to be a throwaway remark. My underlying point was that you can’t directly translate the numbers from the Portuguese league to the PL, however even if the drop off is so great that he lost 50% of those goals, he’d still be our best striker in a decade. Debate amongst yourselves whether or not you prefer Ibrahimović, Lukaku or whoever. My point was it’s still a risk worth taking.
Fair enough.. I mean ofcourse he is a risk worth taking.
If we get a Gyokeres and Cunha with 1/2 lower fee signings in CM/Wingback I think we will be much better next season.
Bringing a ST who can hold the ball and bring players into play will improve our game so much.
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