Even if we cut Gyokeres stats by half playing for sporting, he is still way better than hojlund. I doubt Hojlund can get 1/4 of his stats playing for Sporting. He couldn't even get his striker fundamentals right.
Viktor Gyökeres | Ornstein: Deal worth €63.5m guaranteed + €10m add-ons. Agent waives fee
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Nik (@Rood), Jamie (@Vault Dweller) and Ed (@That'sHernandez) give their end of season awards out! They celebrate the best players, goals and moments of the season (there were some, honestly) and also give out awards for the worst and most disappointing players/moments of the season.
They then discuss all the latest transfer rumours and get into the potential ins and outs this summer at Old Trafford.
Yeah he tries too hard to remain positive
I hope we aren’t making yet another costly mistake by not valuing quality on the ball enough. His goal scoring record is great but he looks dodgy on the ball and the physical edge often evaporates in the PL unless you’re quick and skilful like Isak or a physical beast like Haaland.
Last thing we want is a striker who struggles to get into games and becomes a liability till that one odd chance we create.
Last thing we want is a striker who struggles to get into games and becomes a liability till that one odd chance we create.
@Gyork . Will you be coming to Manchester United this summer?
Ruud is the best finisher I’ve ever seen so that’s not an issue. My concern is general play which is hopefully good.
Tbh from the strikers we have been linked with, Gyokeres, Osimhen and Delap, neither of them are elite on the ball.
I've watched quite a bit of Gyokeres and he looks like he's got it. He's not an elite dribbler but he does a lot of running with the ball, especially in the wide channels. He is an elite striker of the ball though, sometimes creates chances out of nothing (Goal against Porto when he sat Pepe down and Even against Benfica from the right side of the penalty box come to mind)
Now again, not sure how all that would transfer to the EPL, and there's only one way that can be proved.
Yes, and even if that story is perhaps an exaggeration, it’s exactly what I mean by saying that Berrada, Wilcox and Vivell (one of the most knowledgeable German scouts), who has taken over the mantle after that episode, are very aware of the issue. I think it’s safe to assume they are probably doing their best to rectify it, because why wouldn’t they? And when you say ‘probably not’, what do you base that probability on? Pessimism?
I think it’s very probable these are trying to avvoid repeating the errors of the previous regime, don’t you?
Cunha - Gyokeres - Mbuemo Would be an incredible rebuild of the front 3, given the circumstances! And I know people want a GK, CD or DM...But let's become a threat upfront first. I f player sales go well, we can maybe fix another position of two, but adding those front 3 could make us Top 5 competitive!
I wonder what 'not without a chance' entails?
How reliable is he?
Well, the previous regime brought a promising young danish striker with top league experience and it was a mistake. This regime tries to bring in a 27 years old with zero top league experience who apparently isn't wanted by any other club. That's worrying. Could be also a mistake. We definitely need someone but i'd rather go for Osimhen, he is better and already top league proven. Of course, in that case we should compete against other clubs for his signature.
While I get the joke, he’s not a “random twatter itk” he’s a German journalist who works for https://www.absolutfussball.com/
Now how reliable that outlet is remains to be seen as I haven’t heard of them, however, the gentleman in question is followed by big journalists such as Patrick Berger of Sky, Jan Aage Fjortoft & Fabrizio Romano.
Whether or not others find them reliable is down to personal preference, but the guy is a football reporter nonetheless and not just a “random twitter itk”
Who is being linked to Oshimen right now? From what I can see, there are no top teams trying to sign him either. Does this not counter your own logic?
Not that it matters but Rio doesn’t fancy him.
Why? Any quotes to look at?
Didn't you learn anything from McTominay and Antony from last season? Hello? Just because a player fails at United in the state we've been the last few seasons, doesn't mean they can't away from United.
One thing I will agree with, is that if you watch his highlight videos for Sporting I tend to think "Yeah, that's not a goal in the PL" for a lot of them. Either because of poor defending or poor goalkeeping.
I'm not sure but he seemingly started linking us with players when Vivell came in.
There’s no clamour from other clubs to sign either Osimhen or Gyökeres.
That says something to me.
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Has there ever been a top class player called Victor or Viktor?
Rio’s take is an interesting one because from his own perspective he’s thinking he’d mark this guy out in his sleep, but Rio’s take would reduce the pool to the likes of Isak and Mbappe.
Would be interesting to hear his views on each striker we have a chance of acquiring. I doubt he’d fancy a single one of them.
Osimhen.
I think he’s a big Osimhen fan.
About what?
Really? Would love to hear his views on him. Funnily enough, Rio’s biggest “weakness” was fiercely competing for aerial balls
.I’m sure he’s said recently just to ‘go out and get him’.Really? Would love to hear his views on him. Funnily enough, Rio’s biggest “weakness” was fiercely competing for aerial balls
Two things can be right. Gyokeres is not a WC striker but there's no WC strikers available. There aren't any WC CBs around anymore as well. A Rio would be worth 120m in the modern game. I'd say he's worth 50m euros maybe with 10m in addons. If Sporting insist on more then forget it. We might break the deadlock between club and player by sending Hojlund on loan with a clause that he'll play X amount of games. Thus Sporting would leave this deal with their head held high, Amorim gets his player and Hojlund will go to a league were he would play and he would score goals in. That should boost his price next season
Funny you say that to be fair as rumours on reddit are that he’s close to Vivell
Think Rio's take is spot on tbf.
Osimhen looks alot better for us imo.
Osimhen looks alot better for us imo.
If you watch pretty much any goal in the premier league you’d probably say the same thing. Almost all goals scored are down to errors and some players have the instinct to be in the right place at the right time to capitalise on them.
One thing I like about him is that as soon as he gets the ball, everything he does is about getting himself into a position to shoot as quickly as possible and while it can look a bit scrappy and you could argue that Premier League defenders won’t give him the same opportunities, the fact he is so persistent and determined means that opportunities do come and he is inevitably there to take advantage.
In contrast, how many times have we seen Højlund take a bad touch in the box, or hesitate and get tackled, or position himself with his back to goal and have to pass back or wide or the ball flash across the 6 yard box and he’s throwing his arms up on the penalty spot, or we are 3 vs 3 and he tries to make a straight run behind the defender where there’s no through ball angle.
The difference between the two is Gyokeres gets the basics right and his reward is opportunities. Goals are the inevitable product of lots and lots of opportunities.
I agree with this and I would say this is part of the issue Hojlund has faced as to me they are similar players. He looked way stronger, quicker and more athletic in Serie A primarily because I don't think the defending is as physical (shame how that league has gone considering the group legendary defenders from the 80's/90's/early 00's) but when he's been matched for pace and power in the PL his technique has lack him down.
Who’s faster, him or Hojlund?
Nah, you can still tell the difference between the best league and one that is a few levels below it. He's not getting a 1:1 goals/games ratio in the PL, whether he plays for us or the best team in the league.
I also would steer clear of Gyokeres.
Would prefer a different profile of striker, but the current market is definitely underwhelming.
We really should have nabbed Isak when he was available.
Would prefer a different profile of striker, but the current market is definitely underwhelming.
We really should have nabbed Isak when he was available.
We have to believe in the managers better judgment. His comments on Antony showed he’s fully aware of this and I’m sure seeing Hojlund up close, he knows where Gyokeres excels and Rasmus falls short.
Remember Gyokeres has spent 3 years in the Championship two of those years he was a dominant force. I don’t see it being an issue.
To be hinst, judging whether a striker would score goals in this league is difficult. I didn’t think Isak would score goals but I was confident Haller would score goals.
Record - reporting there he won't report back to training due to broken promises.