Viktor Gyökeres - Sporting Striker

Hope we come knocking on the door in the summer and sell Hojlund.

You can rate Gyokere and not rate Hojlund, that's fine but what you're suggesting is silly and the crux of why people are debating against. If we do what you want and Gyokeres doesn't do well for us in his first season, what next?

To the Sesko thread:
"Hope we come knocking on the door in the summer and sell Gyokeres."
 
You can rate Gyokere and not rate Hojlund, that's fine but what you're suggesting is silly and the crux of why people are debating against. If we do what you want and Gyokeres doesn't do well for us in his first season, what next?

To the Sesko thread:
"Hope we come knocking on the door in the summer and sell Gyokeres."
So sell one gamble for another. Gyokeres career history tells us very little apart from his time at sporting. I don’t trust strikers from the Portuguese league; I think it’s easy to rack goals up. I’d be passing if it’s yet another striker from that league probably with an €80m price tag

Well Sir Alex brought Brian McClair in his first summer, but went and brought Mark Hughes in his second. I am not saying we should try a player every season season, but we should have a clear system in assessing our signings if they have worked in their first season or not, to a degree that we need to buy another. Now, have we not bought Zirkzee I would have kept Hojlund, but knowing we do not have the funds, we would need to sell Hojlund before buying another player. Another thing, I am not saying pay Sporting whatever they ask for, of course there should be a limit and we should not be stupid to pay insane money, but anything less than what we paid for Holjund should be ok.
 
Well Sir Alex brought Brian McClair in his first summer, but went and brought Mark Hughes in his second. I am not saying we should try a player every season season, but we should have a clear system in assessing our signings if they have worked in their first season or not, to a degree that we need to buy another. Now, have we not bought Zirkzee I would have kept Hojlund, but knowing we do not have the funds, we would need to sell Hojlund before buying another player. Another thing, I am not saying pay Sporting whatever they ask for, of course there should be a limit and we should not be stupid to pay insane money, but anything less than what we paid for Holjund should be ok.
Well Hojlund did fine in his first season so I’m sure we will stay as is
 
Well Sir Alex brought Brian McClair in his first summer, but went and brought Mark Hughes in his second. I am not saying we should try a player every season season, but we should have a clear system in assessing our signings if they have worked in their first season or not, to a degree that we need to buy another. Now, have we not bought Zirkzee I would have kept Hojlund, but knowing we do not have the funds, we would need to sell Hojlund before buying another player. Another thing, I am not saying pay Sporting whatever they ask for, of course there should be a limit and we should not be stupid to pay insane money, but anything less than what we paid for Holjund should be ok.

Again you've not said anything that isn't as 'silly' as your first post. What makes you think:
1) Zirkzee (after 3 games) is the one we should be keeping instead and will meet our needs in the future?
2) Sporting will take anything less than £65m?
3) INEOS will sell a raw 21 year old but talented and (to an extent a proven PL) striker to gamble that on a 26 year, who's only now finding his moment in a league known where strikers fill their boots?

Gyokeres may turn out to be a very good striker but the issue is that we already have a prospect on our hands and we probably don't have the funds to maneuver so recklessly. Selling Hojlund to go for Gyokeres is every bit as risky and a gamble. It just doesn't make sense.

You seem so sure of Hojlund's ceiling and ability, I assume you are fully expecting him to have a poor year? If he has a good one i.e than better last seasons goal tally and overall game improvements, will you come back to this thread in 8 months and admit you were just fanboying for your compatriot?
 
I dont mind buying striker every year like SAF always did. He bought Cantona when hes just bought Dublin (granted he was injured but the Glazers wouldve had asked SAF to wait til he got fit instead of buying a new striker), he tried to buy Shearer even when we had Cantona, Cole, Hughes, McClair, and he bought RvP when Rooney had just scored 27 goals in PL.

Rellying on 1 or 2 strikers feels like a Guardiola's thing BUT we arent trying to play Pep's football are we?
 
From the looks of it, this winter. I can not believe people rate Hojlund higher than him based on absolutely nothing.
I don't think anyone rates Højlund higher rate now, but he definitely has more potential. Gyokeres was an absolutely nobody at the same age, and could barely score in the Championship. Højlund scored 10 PL goals at the age of 20 with very limited supply for himself. Then you start to think how strikers develop over time and with more experience, and you kind of get the idea that he could score.. I don't know.. more goals? Gyokeres is playing in Primeira Liga, a league where Bas Dost and Jonas scored 30+ goals several seasons.
 
I don't think anyone rates Højlund higher rate now, but he definitely has more potential. Gyokeres was an absolutely nobody at the same age, and could barely score in the Championship. Højlund scored 10 PL goals at the age of 20 with very limited supply for himself. Then you start to think how strikers develop over time and with more experience, and you kind of get the idea that he could score.. I don't know.. more goals? Gyokeres is playing in Primeira Liga, a league where Bas Dost and Jonas scored 30+ goals several seasons.

We need goals now. Not in 3 years. Do you get the argument?
 
We need goals now. Not in 3 years. Do you get the argument?
I agree, but he doesn't guarantee goals in this side. And we shouldn't sign any striker because they score goals, they need to be good players that fit the philosophy and are viewed for the long term. Lukaku scored goals, but he was detrimental to our play. Ronaldo scored goals, but he was still shit for us. Do you get the argument?
 
Yeah yeah he's amazing but he didn't get past the Luton defense in the championship playoff final :lol:
 
I don't think anyone rates Højlund higher rate now, but he definitely has more potential. Gyokeres was an absolutely nobody at the same age, and could barely score in the Championship. Højlund scored 10 PL goals at the age of 20 with very limited supply for himself. Then you start to think how strikers develop over time and with more experience, and you kind of get the idea that he could score.. I don't know.. more goals? Gyokeres is playing in Primeira Liga, a league where Bas Dost and Jonas scored 30+ goals several seasons.
There’s a lot I agree with in your post. People are saying we need goals now, but what I think we need now is better service to the strikers we have, and far better patterns of play. If we are bringing in anyone from Sporting, it should be Amorim. We spent 70 odd million on Hojlund, and as you say, he scored 10 PL goals last season with very poor service at only 20. Strikers can develop enormously between 20 and 23/24, and that time will fly by. The only way Hojlund gets better is by playing him, and giving him the right coaching. He’s got everything in his locker to be as good or better than someone like Gyokeres who, let’s face it, has only really done anything note worthy in one season of his career at 26. That was last season in Portugal. The season before that he was scoring 21 goals in 46 games in the championship, the season before 17 goals in the Champ., and at a year older than Hojlund was scoring 3 goals in 30 games in the Championship.

Gyokeres is the perfect illustration of how the development of footballers is non-linear and happens at different rates for everyone. But spending a huge sum on a 26 year old, with one really good season under his belt, in a third rate league; to replace a big talent like Hojlund, is folly.

The club needs a good two to three more years to get back to competing at the top, top level. Hojlund is the perfect age to develop as the team develops, to enter his prime as the team are starting to knock on the top door again. Signing Gyokeres would be a short sighted move and likely cost a fortune.

I’d be much more interested in investing that money into positions we actually need right now, like left back. To bring in an elite or potentially elite winger. And to forward plan by eventually replacing an ageing Bruno with a young player that can be the center piece of a title winning team. A Wirtz calibre pkayer. We’ll also have Casemiro and Eriksen leaving in the summer and will need at least one, if not two CMs. We have Hojlund and Zirkzee on the books as CFs, and players like Obi-Martin coming through.
 
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Calling his miss an assist might be a bit of a stretch but great forward play for his goal.

The assist stat is worthless

Think it can be but also it does show that a player is involved in goals. I think when you're producing at the level Gyokeres is, it indicates that he's more often than not involved in some way when Sporting are scoring.
 
In this case the involvement was missing an open goal tap in though
 
In this case the involvement was missing an open goal tap in though

Agree - I'd hesitate to call it an 'assist'


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The Luton defence is pure filth tbh.
What's funnier is that we lost our captain and best centre back straight away so we were left with a slow lumbering CB and our captains replacement... a guy who spent 90% of the season injured. We also had a keeper that didn't know how to dive. He still couldnt score :lol:
 
What's funnier is that we lost our captain and best centre back straight away so we were left with a slow lumbering CB and our captains replacement... a guy who spent 90% of the season injured. We also had a keeper that didn't know how to dive. He still couldnt score :lol:
If you only had Neymar as a GK, Gyökeres could have played for hours without scoring.
 
If you only had Neymar as a GK, Gyökeres could have played for hours without scoring.
:lol:

But in truth, he was great in the Championship. I knew within a few games he should be at a bigger club. Has a cnutish attitude as well and full of self belief. He will do good things, I'm sure.
 
He's been bullying the entire Portuguese league.

Hopefully some big club signs him. The sooner the better.
 
:lol:

But in truth, he was great in the Championship. I knew within a few games he should be at a bigger club. Has a cnutish attitude as well and full of self belief. He will do good things, I'm sure.
Yeah? I saw him only one game when I watched mostly for Amad, wonder if he possibly scored then. I like Sweden, so if he can get things going for them it could be fun to see him with Isak.
 
Not going to pretend I have seen him play because I have not. Statistically he looks amazing. I'd however say that it does not guarantee anythimg in football. Remember when Lacazette was banging them in, in France before he went to Arsenal? He also looked a very good player.

Personally I'm happy with Hojlund. Sort out the issue around service and this guy I think, will be absolutely class. I also believe Zirkzee has a lot about him. He needs a season to grow, mature and integrate to England. He is a fantastic back up option.
 
I saw him tearing it up in the Championship at Coventry. Surprised he's made the step up to the top level in Portugal. I'd definitely be keen on him although not sure how much he cost considering how much Sporting paid for him in the first place.
 
I saw him tearing it up in the Championship at Coventry. Surprised he's made the step up to the top level in Portugal. I'd definitely be keen on him although not sure how much he cost considering how much Sporting paid for him in the first place.
Apparently he has a clause in the summer where’s he available at €60-70m, if this is true they have dropped the €100m figure, at that price United should be all over this transfer.