Viktor Gyökeres

United do pay a bit more so that's always a consideration. There's also the idea that Amorim's United are building something big in the years to come whereas Arteta's project seems to have already peaked without a league trophy to show for themselves.

Will you continue to pay a bit more considering all the talk of better balancing of costs including wages that Ratcliffe and the like have been talking about?

As for Arteta's project having already peaked, that seems to be what rival fans are projecting. Gyokeres has played Arsenal this season however and been on the end of a 5-1 defeat, so he might not have the same opinion.
 
Will you continue to pay a bit more considering all the talk of better balancing of costs including wages that Ratcliffe and the like have been talking about?

As for Arteta's project having already peaked, that seems to be what rival fans are projecting. Gyokeres has played Arsenal this season however and been on the end of a 5-1 defeat, so he might not have the same opinion.

For the right player, I believe we will - especially if Rashford, Sancho, and Casemiro (our highest earners) are removed from the books this year. The big difference being that the era of randomly paying multiple players abnormally high wages to lure them to United are over.
 
I think we could get him over Arsenal.

Since Fergie left we’ve been rubbish yet we’ve still won an FA cup, two league cups and a Europa cup. Arsenal have won an FA cup. The media story is we are terrible (I don’t disagree) but what about Arsenal? No one remembers teams because they have a few second place finishes. Arsenal are nearly the finished article yet they are still 12 points behind. I don’t think any of us actually believe they’ll win the league next season with or without a striker.

For balance I know we won’t get close either.
 
Is he ? His numbers don't appear any better than Hojlund's from last year. One would hope we get a player capable of at least 25 goals next year - something more along the lines of RvP or Zlatan's first seasons.
And who is that player and what would he cost? I agree that Delap would be underwhelming.
 
And who is that player and what would he cost? I agree that Delap would be underwhelming.

Gyokeres and Osimhen - both would probably cost in the 60-70m range, which could be reduced if we send one of our loan players their way or include them as part of a transfer.
 
I think we could get him over Arsenal.

Since Fergie left we’ve been rubbish yet we’ve still won an FA cup, two league cups and a Europa cup. Arsenal have won an FA cup. The media story is we are terrible (I don’t disagree) but what about Arsenal? No one remembers teams because they have a few second place finishes. Arsenal are nearly the finished article yet they are still 12 points behind. I don’t think any of us actually believe they’ll win the league next season with or without a striker.

For balance I know we won’t get close either.
The league is there for the taking for Arsenal next season. Liverpool and City both have aging teams, and Liverpool in particular could be losing some extremely influential players.

A decent striker would make a big difference to Arsenal - and that’s how they would sell it to a player. Arsenal have a far higher chance of winning something next season than we do.

Now we aren’t throwing money around on wages, I think the gap is far too big for United to get chosen over Arsenal. We need to decrease that gap massively next season.
 
Too big a risk for me. Would basically go against every principle INEOS have set out.

He'll be good for Arsenal imo, and tbh where they are in their 'cycle' it makes sense as they really do just need a better striker.
 
Too big a risk for me. Would basically go against every principle INEOS have set out.

He'll be good for Arsenal imo, and tbh where they are in their 'cycle' it makes sense as they really do just need a better striker.

So you think he's more appropriate for the #2 club in the table but too risky for the #14 club ?
 
So you think he's more appropriate for the #2 club in the table but too risky for the #14 club ?
It’s easy to see the rationale. For Arsenal it’s the final piece of the jigsaw. For us, he likely wouldn’t make us contenders, and by the time we are, then he’s 30 and it’s cost us a huge amount of money, and needs to be replaced.
 
So you think he's more appropriate for the #2 club in the table but too risky for the #14 club ?
Given our financial situation absolutely. We can't afford a player that will demand that kind of fee, wages and has limited sell-on if it doesn't work out.

I wish it weren't the case, but we are where we are.
 
Gyokeres and Osimhen - both would probably cost in the 60-70m range, which could be reduced if we send one of our loan players their way or include them as part of a transfer.
Since when did prolific strikers became that cheap without a release clause, especially in this era when they are a rarity? He's more likely to cost 3 figures than not. The price you mentioned is what we paid for Hojlund and I'm pretty sure Gyokeres is more highly rated than when we acquired the former.
 
Since when did prolific strikers became that cheap without a release clause, especially in this era when they are a rarity? He's more likely to cost 3 figures than not. The price you mentioned is what we paid for Hojlund and I'm pretty sure Gyokeres is more highly rated than when we acquired the former.

He has a release clause.

 
Given our financial situation absolutely. We can't afford a player that will demand that kind of fee, wages and has limited sell-on if it doesn't work out.

I wish it weren't the case, but we are where we are.

Ratcliffe just said in his BBC interview from 3 days ago that there is a transfer budget in place and if we want more, we will simply sell players to raise funds. Since striker is a big priority, there's a very good chance we go big to buy the right player.
 
It’s easy to see the rationale. For Arsenal it’s the final piece of the jigsaw. For us, he likely wouldn’t make us contenders, and by the time we are, then he’s 30 and it’s cost us a huge amount of money, and needs to be replaced.

I disagree. Lack of goals is by far our biggest problem and most pressing need to address in the summer, so it would't at all be a stretch to think a player capable of 25-30 goals would have us at or near top 4. Let's not forget a mere 15 additional goals would have us above Forest and Newcastle in goals and just about on par with Arsenal and Chelsea.
 
Gyokeres and Osimhen - both would probably cost in the 60-70m range, which could be reduced if we send one of our loan players their way or include them as part of a transfer.
Gyökeres might cost more and Arsenal are also interested. Osimhen has quite high salary demands. Both players will have limited sell on value. So I would be surprised if we were to sign any of them.
 
Gyökeres might cost more and Arsenal are also interested. Osimhen has quite high salary demands. Both players will have limited sell on value. So I would be surprised if we were to sign any of them.

As per Romano, he has a release clause of 65-70 Euros this summer.
 
Why are people here talking like as though Arsenal are just 1 striker signing away from a league title? That's cute and hilarious tbh. Either way, Gyokeres knows Ruben and reckon the latter for sure would have been in constant contact with him. We are a much better prospect for him than Arsenal ever were.
 
Gyökeres might cost more and Arsenal are also interested. Osimhen has quite high salary demands. Both players will have limited sell on value. So I would be surprised if we were to sign any of them.
They are both 26 plenty sell on.

There are many reasons to join us.
Amorim.
The chance to slowly take Man Utd to the top.
The chance to wear that shirt, when we are competitive we are still a bigger draw than city, arsenal and Chelsea.

We need a few to buy into that vision and we’ll be competitive in no time.

We only need 4/5 players, that’ll give time for all that youth to develop from potential to quality.
 
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Why are people here talking like as though Arsenal are just 1 striker signing away from a league title? That's cute and hilarious tbh. Either way, Gyokeres knows Ruben and reckon the latter for sure would have been in constant contact with him. We are a much better prospect for him than Arsenal ever were.

We probably aren't but by all accounts we will look to do a fair bit of strengthening this summer, Arteta basically confirmed so yesterday. We'll at the very least sign a new first choice midfielder, left winger and forward, and possibly add in an attacking midfielder as well. If we lose Zinchenko and Kiwior we'll probably sign a new back up defender as well as a new back up goalkeeper.
 
Seriously speaking though, why would he choose Arsenal over us? Like what have they actually won in recent times? He suits Amorin's system like a glove and he knows it. Isak would be the more likely candidate for them gooners.

Arsenal have come close to winning the title in the last few years. A player like him is probably what they need to get themselves over the line.

A better question realistically is why would he choose United over Arsenal? Let’s be real here, an FA cup or league cup mean feck all in terms of big trophies. The only objective reason to go for United over Arsenal is the Amorim connection or because we pay significantly more money (Which we really should be moving away from)
 
Arsenal have come close to winning the title in the last few years. A player like him is probably what they need to get themselves over the line.

A better question realistically is why would he choose United over Arsenal? Let’s be real here, an FA cup or league cup mean feck all in terms of big trophies. The only objective reason to go for United over Arsenal is the Amorim connection or because we pay significantly more money (Which we really should be moving away from)

And also we are a much bigger club with a much larger fanbase? 20 goals for Man Utd gets him way more likes, clicks, ovations etc than 20 goals for Arsenal.

Not to mention, if he can help us win a PL or CL, he would be established as a legend at one of the 3 largest clubs in world football.
 
We probably aren't but by all accounts we will look to do a fair bit of strengthening this summer, Arteta basically confirmed so yesterday. We'll at the very least sign a new first choice midfielder, left winger and forward, and possibly add in an attacking midfielder as well. If we lose Zinchenko and Kiwior we'll probably sign a new back up defender as well as a new back up goalkeeper.
I mean you'll certainly sign someone but I wouldn't get my hopes up too much. Arteta also said you'll sign a striker in January. In the end it's others who decide how much money is spent. I have my doubts you'll sign four players before any outgoings, especially as good performances over the past few years will have to be rewarded with rising salaries.
 
Why are people here talking like as though Arsenal are just 1 striker signing away from a league title? That's cute and hilarious tbh. Either way, Gyokeres knows Ruben and reckon the latter for sure would have been in constant contact with him. We are a much better prospect for him than Arsenal ever were.
Arsenal are so far ahead of us right now it will take us years to get close to them, even if we get everything right in the next few years, so it's absolutely absurd to say we're a much better prospect at a current stage. They've got a young team that is on course to finish 2nd again while clearly missing an elite striker (I'm sure they will strengthen elsewhere too), that's a really attractive option for a 26 year old who will want to be competing at the top for the next few years. We've basically performed like the 15th best team in the league for 2 years now, our priority should be about building a team through coaching and recruitment that can have us actually play good football and show any ability to dominate games before worrying about spending a fortune on a striker.
 
Arsenal are so far ahead of us right now it will take us years to get close to them, even if we get everything right in the next few years, so it's absolutely absurd to say we're a much better prospect at a current stage. They've got a young team that is on course to finish 2nd again while clearly missing an elite striker (I'm sure they will strengthen elsewhere too), that's a really attractive option for a 26 year old who will want to be competing at the top for the next few years. We've basically performed like the 15th best team in the league for 2 years now, our priority should be about building a team through coaching and recruitment that can have us actually play good football and show any ability to dominate games before worrying about spending a fortune on a striker.

That's a bit exaggerated, if we got everything right for next few years so 6-7 windows (summer and winter), it would be a whole different landscape.

That being said Arteta said they'll have a "big one" when asked about summer transfer window, so for now they remain years ahead and the difference between us will be even greater next season.
 
That's a bit exaggerated, if we got everything right for next few years so 6-7 windows (summer and winter), it would be a whole different landscape.

That being said Arteta said they'll have a "big one" when asked about summer transfer window, so for now they remain years ahead and the difference between us will be even greater next season.
6 or 7 windows is an age for a player who is in his prime now and there's very little evidence that we will get things right. You're not wrong in theory though, I just objected to the delusion that we're a "much better prospect" right now. Plus I'm not at all convinced if we can realistically spend the amounts of money involved on one player when we likely won't have the revenue from being in Europe and have so many areas that need to be fixed before worrying about going all in on a number 9.
 
6 or 7 windows is an age for a player who is in his prime now and there's very little evidence that we will get things right. You're not wrong in theory though, I just objected to the delusion that we're a "much better prospect" right now. Plus I'm not at all convinced if we can realistically spend the amounts of money involved on one player when we likely won't have the revenue from being in Europe and have so many areas that need to be fixed before worrying about going all in on a number 9.

Agree with everything, we're lower half of the league, struggling for years, broke. Arsenal are in CL and competing for the title. It's obvious they're a better team to join now.

Was merely saying things CAN change in a couple years, hopefully they do.
 
Arsenal are so far ahead of us right now it will take us years to get close to them, even if we get everything right in the next few years, so it's absolutely absurd to say we're a much better prospect at a current stage. They've got a young team that is on course to finish 2nd again while clearly missing an elite striker (I'm sure they will strengthen elsewhere too), that's a really attractive option for a 26 year old who will want to be competing at the top for the next few years. We've basically performed like the 15th best team in the league for 2 years now, our priority should be about building a team through coaching and recruitment that can have us actually play good football and show any ability to dominate games before worrying about spending a fortune on a striker.
It will take longer if we keep buying budget children players and hoping and waiting for them to kick into top form. If we were a serious club and somehow manage to buy right then you can easily go from sht to really good in a short space of time. Gykores 65 mill, Frimpong 35mill, Ederson 55 mill. Cherki 25 mill - 180 should get us top 4. Add a keeper and CB the following season and we should be competing. Most on here would say Im aiming too high or its unrealistic but I still remember who we are - Man Utd and yes we should be aiming that high. If we fall short we fall short but at least aim for the top instead of just giving up and accepting sht hoping that in x years our team of kids become world class. Its a ridiculous strategy and already proven to be dogshit - see the Hojlund, Zirkzee experiment.

We need to be in for Gykores. End of. Show him we are serious by signing big players not children. Show him that we are serious about winning the league. Sell him the vision of the new stadium. Sell him our history. Yeah we will probably still loose out to a bigger club but at least fkn try.
 
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And also we are a much bigger club with a much larger fanbase? 20 goals for Man Utd gets him way more likes, clicks, ovations etc than 20 goals for Arsenal.

Not to mention, if he can help us win a PL or CL, he would be established as a legend at one of the 3 largest clubs in world football.

Do you really think fanbase or “how big is the club” actually matters to a club outside of the generic statements the players are forced to give :lol: That’s just circlejerk stuff that fans use to try to one up each other.

All that matters for a player is trophies and money. Are we in a better position than Arsenal to offer the chance to win big trophies in the near future? Based on the current situation the answer is no. Theres no shame in saying that or any reason to pretend otherwise.
 
70m euros is what, 60m pounds?

He'd be a bargain for that.
 
It'll be the biggest contract and move of his career. He'll look to join a club challenging for titles next season, not in 3/4
 
It'll be the biggest contract and move of his career. He'll look to join a club challenging for titles next season, not in 3/4

I think it depends on his motivations, which we don’t know. There are players who will always go where the most money is, and there are players who will go where the best chance of success is. If it’s the latter he ain’t joining Utd, if it’s the former then you, at least theoretically, have the financial firepower to offer the highest wages. Whether that would be a good idea or not is debatable at best. It looks like Utd are trying to get away from their reputation as very high wage payers.
 
The league is there for the taking for Arsenal next season. Liverpool and City both have aging teams, and Liverpool in particular could be losing some extremely influential players.

A decent striker would make a big difference to Arsenal - and that’s how they would sell it to a player. Arsenal have a far higher chance of winning something next season than we do.

Now we aren’t throwing money around on wages, I think the gap is far too big for United to get chosen over Arsenal. We need to decrease that gap massively next season.

It’s easy to see the rationale. For Arsenal it’s the final piece of the jigsaw. For us, he likely wouldn’t make us contenders, and by the time we are, then he’s 30 and it’s cost us a huge amount of money, and needs to be replaced.

Arsenal are so far ahead of us right now it will take us years to get close to them, even if we get everything right in the next few years, so it's absolutely absurd to say we're a much better prospect at a current stage. They've got a young team that is on course to finish 2nd again while clearly missing an elite striker (I'm sure they will strengthen elsewhere too), that's a really attractive option for a 26 year old who will want to be competing at the top for the next few years. We've basically performed like the 15th best team in the league for 2 years now, our priority should be about building a team through coaching and recruitment that can have us actually play good football and show any ability to dominate games before worrying about spending a fortune on a striker.

If the discussions in the Caf are in any way a reflection of where we are as a club, I have to say we feel more mature and less reactive. More considered.

I can't remember if anyone ever in the last decade would've been okay to say "let Arsenal have the biggest striker prospect in the world, even if that means they'll win the league next season because if we get it it would essentially be bad timing anyway". I agree btw

I'd give a big piece of this credit to expectation setting and sense of stability (lack of chaos) that INEOS have brought. Feels a bit more strategic like we finally realize that solving this is a long term thing and we will take short term decisions which suck but which will get us better placed for the eventual goal of PL and CL glory
 
If the discussions in the Caf are in any way a reflection of where we are as a club, I have to say we feel more mature and less reactive. More considered.

I can't remember if anyone ever in the last decade would've been okay to say "let Arsenal have the biggest striker prospect in the world, even if that means they'll win the league next season because if we get it it would essentially be bad timing anyway". I agree btw

I'd give a big piece of this credit to expectation setting and sense of stability (lack of chaos) that INEOS have brought. Feels a bit more strategic like we finally realize that solving this is a long term thing and we will take short term decisions which suck but which will get us better placed for the eventual goal of PL and CL glory
There are a lot of rational, considered fans around.

I do think there needs to be an element of realism and understanding of where United currently are as a club. But also, that this can change quickly - and history is littered with clubs that have turned things around significantly. But those clubs had a plan, and a strategy.

That’s the tragedy of where we are. Despite the Glazers, when SAF left we won the league by 13 points, but there was no plan. United were already behind the curve.

That the club has outspent almost every other club, and gone backwards just shows that throwing money around is not the way to get success.

There is of course a clear correlation between transfer spend and success - but those clubs who have been successful in the last 13 years had a strategy.

We need to build the playing squad. It’s still a patchwork of different ideologies, and players who are not suited to the club, or even each other.

I love a good striker and our options currently are poor, but so are the fundamentals that would allow a good striker to flourish. We seem to be sorting out the back line, and good teams build on that - let’s remember we were being pelted with 25-40 shots a game from the opposition. Doesn’t matter if you have prime Shearer at the other end of the basics aren’t there.
 
Arsenal fans are under the impression they’re signing Zubimendi, Nico Williams and Gyokeres this summer.

They do that and they’ll walk the league at a canter.
 
United do pay a bit more so that's always a consideration. There's also the idea that Amorim's United are building something big in the years to come whereas Arteta's project seems to have already peaked without a league trophy to show for themselves.

That is a pretty wild take!

Where does the idea that Arsenal have peaked come from?

They are going to finish second whereas we are unlikely to finish in the top half!

I'd argue that Arsenal actually look stronger than 12 months ago with the emergence of Nwaneri and Lewis-Skelly. They just need a bit more depth to their mostly young squad and they will likely be favourites to win the league next season.
 
Arsenal fans are under the impression they’re signing Zubimendi, Nico Williams and Gyokeres this summer.

They do that and they’ll walk the league at a canter.
I very much doubt we do all 3. Zubimendi and Gyokeres are the more likely but Williams sounds more like Arteta's dream than reality. Those 2 are 130M and we'll have to sign the annual GK, CB and LB once we move on from Neto, Kiwior and Zinchenko. Martinelli/Trossard for another season would not shock me.