I have a feeling Gyokeres will flop in the PL whether its with us or Arsenal. Nothing to back this up than just a weird feeling.
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Nik (@Rood) and Imran (@Annihilate Now!) discuss United's fantastic win away against Athletic Club in the semi-final of the Europa League.
They also pick out the positives of United's 4-3 loss away at Brentford, and Nik reviews a day out at Old Trafford watching Manchester United Women qualify for the Champions League.
Agreed
Similar vibes to Hazard's "Im joining the champions of europe" despite Chelsea being shit in the league that season by their standard at the time.
Wild to see Mount mentioned there, however after last night just maybe he could still turn that corner
Same. The Primeira Liga is incredibly weak. All 17 non relegated clubs in the English Premier League could go toe to toe with the current versions of Porto, Sporting and Benfica.
Yeah ungrateful feck, time to repay Ruben
After that Amorim's interview where he mentioned that they don't want players who only are keen to move because of UCL football, i doubt Gyokeres is coming. He would not have said it if this was still on.
Who do you think we should sign, obviously not Osimhen as he's clearly asking for too higher wages
I feel Sesko would be a better buy for a similar fee. Gyokeres might be a better bet for the next season or so but Sesko has an amazing upside, in my view. Very few of us would’ve signed Isak at Sociedad but he’s gone on to being one of the league’s best at Newcastle. I think Sesko is a similar profile to what Isak was then - very tall, quick, good technique but an erratic finisher and physically needs to ‘grow into his frame’.
Well let's at least get Champions League football and give him a dilemma over who to choose, could just be words in public though and mean nothing
What has his form been like since Amorim left Sporting?
Can we afford another erratic finisher who needs to grow into his frame when we already have Hojlund
Need to read up on the recent revelations of the Hazard transfer.
Pretty prolific I think
Pretty much the same form, he just continued scoring for fun.
OK. So we still want him and want him to want us too I guess.
Depends how patient he's prepared to be, we will know our European situation in two weeks time
I thought Isak was great even at Sociedad and was pissed that Newcastle grabbed him.
But VG is hardly on his last leg, he's in prime age for a striker and brings top level finishing ability. Sesko would be great but the simple fact is if we are spending that level of money we pretty much have to prioritize the best goalscorer right now even if Sesko could become the better player.
I also don't think Sesko is as silky on the ball as Isak. Isak was a bit freakish in his dribbling for the frame which is why I've always loved him as a player.
Yeah Isak is looking a bargain annoyingly
Hope you guys give him some more time to perfect Partey long throws and 5 minute corner routines.
The funny thing is the Caf has seen it´s fair share of shit tactics last decade or so and Arteta got The Caf´s Shit tactics seal of approval
I know hes hyped but why would he be a first team squad pick when he’s yet to have any minutes there?
There is a Slovenian national who posted here to say that he wouldn’t pick Sesko for United that he’s nowhere near ready
Or he knows he's 27 and this is hip opportunity to fight for the biggest prizes. The team who was been competing for the league 3 years running and in the later stages of the champions league v a side barely above the relegation zone
You may be right but in our position we need a striker who can hit the ground running. If Sesko needs a few years to reach his potential then he isn't what we need right now.
Neither Hojlund or Chido are ready to be a starting striker so we desperately need someone who can fill that role. Also I'm sure Amorim is aware that if results don't improve massively next season his job will be at risk. In an ideal world I'd imagine we would prefer an experienced striker right now.
Or you could say the team that’s failed to get over the line in any competition despite it being their best team in 20 odd years vs a side that’s still capable of picking up silverware despite it being our worst period in Premier League history. I don’t rate this Arsenal side as high as a lot do, I think if we can get the recruitment right over the next few windows we can catch them up pretty quickly.
Even in this horrendous season we’re having had we had a quality striker we’d probably be in or around the European places. If we can win this Europa and get back in the CL it could really kickstart the Amorim era and Gyokeres could play a major part in that!
Do you really believe Arsenal are a club to go to if your objective is winning the biggest prizes? They don’t win the biggest prizes and they look like they’ve peaked and are on the slide, especially with Arteta at the helm. Ødegaard on a slippery slope really damages the whole attack. Arsenal are not locked in at the top to the point they can compete outside of optimal form and performance; it’s not like joining PSG, Bayern or the like.
If we are back in the CL next season, I don’t think the choice is clear cut. Nobody goes to a top club to be a perennial also ran; when it comes to winning trophies and potential upswing, we’re not far apart from Arsenal. Two years ago, when they were actually on the up and Ødegaard looked like he was going to go on to be world class, the world looked very different for Arsenal.
There’s also higher potential to earn here off the brand that we are and the inevitable sponsorship boost he would get.
I don’t think this is some no brainer for him, if those are his two choices.
Like I suspected weeks ago.
It has looked unlikely we'd qualify for CL so most of the transfer talk on who we're targeting and who is willing to join would be based on that likelihood.
Qualifying for CL could change everything.
That does surprise me. Cunha has two good PL seasons under his belt and is slightly younger - for me he's a much "safer" signing than Gyokeres who hasn't played in this league.
Though you could argue we could more easily find an alternative 10/winger if we don't get Cunha, whereas there is a real lack of good strikers around that we could sign instead of Gyokeres.
Weird considering Sporting took City apart 5-1 in October
The same Sporting that lost at home to Arsenal 5-1 this season or if you prefer lost to Brugge. One off results don't mean much and if you seriously want to argue that The Primera League is anywhere close to the level of the Premier League go right ahead.
@GoonerBear London could be a massive draw for him for all we know, but if it’s about money and football, the time to join you as the icing on the cake has come and gone and I firmly believe that until you revitalise your attacking options across 3 positions, you are some way off challenging; the title you conceded to City really broke you and you haven’t looked the same since.
The season we’re in has been a shambles for a number of top clubs and there’s no way your standard this season will get you as many points next season. These are things for the player to consider.
We can’t be anywhere near as bad next season (-_-); I highly doubt we will be challenging, but trophies and a CL place is not going to be out of reach, or certainly not by the margins where we’re not even worthy of consideration (assuming we have CL). Neither club is where you go if you want the league or CL next season.
The season we’re in has been a shambles for a number of top clubs and there’s no way your standard this season will get you as many points next season. These are things for the player to consider.
We can’t be anywhere near as bad next season (-_-); I highly doubt we will be challenging, but trophies and a CL place is not going to be out of reach, or certainly not by the margins where we’re not even worthy of consideration (assuming we have CL). Neither club is where you go if you want the league or CL next season.
Sorry but they really couldn't. Sporting battered Man City, and Porto/Benfica always produce world class talents that excel elsewhere.
Good point but I'd say Sesko has always seemed to have 'it'. Hojlund was let go by Copenhagen but thrived in Austria and had a decent start to life at Atalanta. I personally like Hojlund as a character but his natural talent and ability is a fair bit lower than Sesko, IMHO. For what it's worth, I feel both will be good strikers. Hojlund will likely go somewhere else and do really well. But I feel Sesko has elite potential and we'll be looking back in a few years thinking he's the one that got away.
This is true. Sesko has more power, potentially. He's more of a centre forward type. Isak is very good technically, though Sesko is no slouch. I just feel they're on similar trajectories and many are dismissing Sesko atm because he's raw and not doing insane Haaland-esque numbers at Leipzig yet. Just as many wrote off Isak when Dortmund sold him. Dortmund aren't known to miss when it comes to developing a talent and selling them at a huge price, but in this instance they absolutely did (probably because they had Haaland at the time).
Fair enough. That's probably right then. It may be a case of bad timing. But I am not absolutely convinced of Gyokeres or many others on the market. I don't think VG will be the absolute success many project he'll be. Maybe I'm tainted by some outdated feedback. I work in Coventry and have lots of friends who support them. While he was there, he was not great for ages. He's obviously improved a lot but a good mate of mine, who has a season ticket at the Ricoh, even now thinks he's not as good as hyped. For £60m+, we need a world beater or someone who will be a world beater. I just feel that Sesko is a better long term investment and won't be that far off Gyokeres' level already. It's very likely I'll be proven wrong and in 5 years this post will be brought back up and laughed at.
I don't completely disagree but City had a gap of a year or two between Aguero and Haaland (Aguero's last season was fairly poor). They scored an absolute shed load without a recognised consistent number 9 in 2021/2022. Mahrez, De Bruyne, Sterling and Foden all outscored Jesus that year. There's very little clear and obvious ST talent on the market this year. I'm hoping that Cunha will take some of that goalscoring burden next season, should we sign him. That puts a little less pressure on whoever the 9 is. If Gyokeres really is the man, let's go all out for him. It does make a lot of sense and Amorim should have a strong idea by now as to how Gyokeres could fit into the PL and into this United side. He knows him very well and got the best out of him. At the same age as Sesko is now, Gyokeres was scoring 0 goals in 11 matches for Swansea on loan. He's obviously improved a lot but we don't completely know how well he'll translate to the PL and he's very expensive. My impression is that Sesko will be an absolute monster in 3 years or so and we ultimately won't regret signing him. Will he be good enough next season? Maybe not but his potential seems really obvious. He's 6 foot 5, lightning quick, way better technically than Rasmus Hojlund and has shown, albeit in patches, aptitude for outrageously good finishing. Target men striker types tend to develop later.
I think he is ready enough to go to EPL. For me the main question is, will he be 15 or 25 goals scorer in the future? I still have doubts about his scoring ability and ceiling. I have feeling that he's just a new Alvaro Morata, or slightly better version of Alvaro Morata. Which wouldn't be enough for that price.
Are you talking about Gyokeres? Why would you question the "scoring ability" of a striker who has scored 100 goals in the last two seasons? And why on earth does the name Morata enter the picture, who's always been the opposite of a prolific scorer?
Edit: Or were you refering to Sesko? In that case, never mind.
Yeah there are more options available in Cunha’s position, some of which I prefer as he is a player who has mainly thrived in transition for Wolves. We also have a few decent options already in the side. I’m not sure we should be prioritizing a new 10 over other areas of the pitch.
Aside from Gyökeres however the options look pretty bleak at striker. And it is obviously a glaring need. Much more so than any new 10 as I see it.
Sesko.
Im trying to think as a non biased football player here.
He's seen Arsenal finish 2nd 3 seasons in a row, and just reach the Champions League semi final. He looks at the squad, and sees that nearly all the first team, guys like Timber, Saliba, Gabriel, Rice, Saka etc are either in their prime or still to hit their prime.
He will know everyone is saying Arsenal lack a 20 goal a season striker that can maybe take them over the line, and I'd imagine as confident striker he'd back himself to do that.
He's also just played against them a few months ago and ended up on the end of a bit of a beating.
And his representative will have spoke to Berta, who will have told him we are close to signing Zubimendi and really want to upgrade the attack, with him a key member of that.
Now, please don't think I'm saying Utd wouldn't be an attractive option, of course you are, and you have the added bonus of having his former boss as manager. I'm certainly not disrespecting Utd, I actually said in the Cunha thread I think he'd probably be better joining Utd than Arsenal as I think he'd have a nailed down position in that left 10 position. I just don't agree with your assessment of our position really.
I think Cunha seems born for the Theatre of Dreams, snarly and flamboyant. I think he’ll relish the pressure.
Gyokeres, I dunno, he just seems a bit more generic, more bland. Premier League is a big step up and you gotta thrive on that energy to survive 2-3 matches a week. I do fear he could be an expensive mistake.
That said, I think he’s worth the dice roll, especially if we can share the load with other goals scorers.
He seems to sniff out a goal and if we have Cunha, Bruno, Amad and Mount all firing shots in, I can see him getting plenty of “lucky” tap ins
Gyokeres, I dunno, he just seems a bit more generic, more bland. Premier League is a big step up and you gotta thrive on that energy to survive 2-3 matches a week. I do fear he could be an expensive mistake.
That said, I think he’s worth the dice roll, especially if we can share the load with other goals scorers.
He seems to sniff out a goal and if we have Cunha, Bruno, Amad and Mount all firing shots in, I can see him getting plenty of “lucky” tap ins
if I were Gyökeres I would go to Arsenal. he could be the last piece of the puzzle and make them finally achieve something, they're really close to it. they almost got it this season and everyone expects them to keep their good form.
should he come to United, it's not guaranteed that we will perform well. Arsenal are a few years ahead of us. for a 26 yo striker, I feel it's no time for uncertainty.
should he come to United, it's not guaranteed that we will perform well. Arsenal are a few years ahead of us. for a 26 yo striker, I feel it's no time for uncertainty.