Koscielny is much superior to Kompany. Simple as.
I think finally people are coming round to this.
I think finally people are coming round to this.
Vincent Kompany: Man City quadruple a matter of time | Next year?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
His media skills also help, always everyone's best mate so they tend to give them a lot more leeway.
You've got to be kidding, right?
Glad I'm not the only one who was confused by Sky praising up his naive clown like performance. Even their montage of clips of him intercepting the ball by charging out of position included two or three where the Barcelona player just turned him and then ran towards the goal. There was one where Messi should have scored and another where Toure had luckily read what was going to happen or else it would have been a goal.
It also seems to have been conveniently ignored that the Demichellis sending off in the first leg only happened because Demichellis was trying to cover for Kompany's daydreaming brainfart. He basically cost his team any chance at all of winning the tie with that.
He's the epitome of City's failings in Europe. Naive displays which don't show any evidence of him learning when teams pick him off...as if he's spent too long listening to people telling him how great he already is instead of the ones telling him "you got taught a lesson there"
It also seems to have been conveniently ignored that the Demichellis sending off in the first leg only happened because Demichellis was trying to cover for Kompany's daydreaming brainfart. He basically cost his team any chance at all of winning the tie with that.
He's the epitome of City's failings in Europe. Naive displays which don't show any evidence of him learning when teams pick him off...as if he's spent too long listening to people telling him how great he already is instead of the ones telling him "you got taught a lesson there"
Both at defending and giving away penalties!
plus his positioning for messi's shot which hit off the post. bizarre
For me, Kompany is one of the best CBs in the world. He isnt perfect by any means, but he is one of Citys best players and is their captain and would walk into pretty much any other team on the planet.
Doesnt mean he isnt a bit of a cnut, but he is a fantastic player.
Don't agree he was exposed tonight thought he was very solid to say the least unlike Lescott who shouldn't be starting for any side with Champions League ambitions or Kolarov who looks incredibly uncomfortable when he isn't given time and space.
He needs a proper partner and a goalkeeper who isn't erratic and can organise behind him. He's an excellent defender. That being said, I'd like to see them end up with just the league cup this season after that ridiculous claim. As long as it's not Liverpool that win it.
For me, Kompany is one of the best CBs in the world. He isnt perfect by any means, but he is one of Citys best players and is their captain and would walk into pretty much any other team on the planet.
Doesnt mean he isnt a bit of a cnut, but he is a fantastic player.
City and the Poo are the most entirely hate-able clubs in the Premiership. Only Leeds come close but thankfully they no longer pollute the upper levels. (I have still not forgiven Abramovich for freeing that crook Bates to rescue Leeds and swindle so many debtors).
I agree, I think he looks much worse due to playing with Lescott and Demichelis so often and having an off form Hart behind him. I think if Pellegrini signs a decent left back and centre back we'll see Al's claims disproven.
Only to United supporters. I think the most unanimously hated club is probably Chelsea.
You jest. United, by a mile.
The haters have left since we became shit. We're too boring and predictable to take the piss out of nowadays, they need harder targets like the top teams.
Nah, it will take a lot more than one poor season for United to lose that particular distinction. Liverpool are still despised by many on here and haven't really been a force for 25 years.
ffsThat looks better.
One is a great defender, and the other would walk into any team in the world.No chance - Chelsea are close to Spurs in my demonography.
Lescott was so much worse to be fair. It amazes me how he's playing for City. Just shocking.
Im not sure which of them this relates too, In fact its wrong on both counts. Kompany is not world class.
It's even more amazing that he cost them £28m
edit - wikipedia says £22m, which is still bad, but i'm sure someone in another City thread said £28m
Look at the dross they bought for a lot of money (Clichy, Lescott, Garcia, Milner).
Well given that you made particular reference to Kompany I'll assume you knew exactly which of the two it related to. Everyone has an opinion of course, but for me Kompany is world class on whatever grounds you judge him on - he's strong, powerful, quick, reads the game well, excellent in the air, exceptional in a tackle, fantastic with the ball at his feet, and if that wasn't enough he's a strong leader on top. I won't spend too much time trying to convince you otherwise though, because it's common knowledge from the majority that Kompany falls into the world class catagory.
Just to add some stats to the mix, City have had the best defensive record in the PL for that last 3 seasons - conceding 33, 29 and 34 respectively. When you consider his defensive partners in that time have been Lescott, Savic and Nastasic (all of whom are relatively poor and/or very inexperienced) then I think it just backs up how good Kompany actually is. I think Demichelis this season has just been one step too far to continue that record, but we still sit joint 2nd behind Chelsea (granted with a few games to play to catch up with the majority).
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This really doesn't make the statement any less true.
He isn't world class currently, but he would still walk into any team in the world, he is better than the vast majority of the defenders in world football today.
There is a shortage of world class cbs, he hasn't been world class for a long time. Saying that other than Silva there aren't any other world class Cbs around, Kompany is one of the leaders of the pack behind Thiago Silva, alongside Ramos, Dante, Chiellini etc.
I'm happy to go with that for arguments sake, in that I agree he's probably the second best CB around behind Thiago Silva. By my understanding that makes him world class (one of the best in the world), but that is beyond my original point which was that he's better than Koscielny and would get into any side in the world. Let's agree to disagree on whether he's world class and say you've summed it up well in your previous post.
In this image Messi represents their quadruple
Did Jim White actually watch the game on Wednesday?
Kompany had a bad tie.
He's one of the world's best centre backs.
Let's not all delve into ridiculous hyperbole trying to discount a City player who is quite clearly class.
He's one of the world's best centre backs.
Let's not all delve into ridiculous hyperbole trying to discount a City player who is quite clearly class.
Ramos is shit, Dante and Chiellini average.
This tie wasn't all that bad.
Of course he was at fault in the first leg massively, but last night he was OK I guess.
The point is that his form has really been on a dip for two years now. It's not something new.
He only had one true great season and that was when they won the title.
Great defender but God, they hype over his performance this week has reached unreal levels.
He wasn't even that good!
Can someone tell me the last good performance Kompany had in the PL?
I'm struggling here.
I'm struggling here.
I want this thread to be bumped in May. Let's hope Jose's bunch keep grinding out wins!
I wonder what their board will think of Pellegrini if he only wins the league cup. At Chelsea, a similar season would get you the sack.
I wonder what their board will think of Pellegrini if he only wins the league cup. At Chelsea, a similar season would get you the sack.
Dante is not average at all. Would love to see him at OT.
Oh! and back on topic. Vinny is a good guy, we would love him if he was one of ours.