Vinicius Junior - Future Might be Away from Madrid

golden_blunder said:
I’m not saying that we just keep chasing their pigtails. Im saying that we currently don’t have the squad to be realistic challengers. Thats ok considering where we’ve come from the past few years. We keep building strong until we are ready to go for it. As I said before, I see this as maybe a year or 2.
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That only works if the others don't improve their level further. And when top players become available on the market, if you don't get them your competitors will, and you are further behind them.

Anyway, I don't think we are going to find common ground here so let's just leave it at that.
 
King7Eric said:
That only works if the others don't improve their level further. And when top players become available on the market, if you don't get them your competitors will, and you are further behind them.

Anyway, I don't think we are going to find common ground here so let's just leave it at that.
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I think we’re arguing over nothing anyway. I don’t see Mourinho really going back to Madrid and I don’t see vini leaving them this year. So yeah let’s leave it
 
SalfordRed18 said:
what actually makes him a bad apple?
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I remember there was a very silly carry on over an award ceremony at one point, centering around him not getting the prize, that rightly or wrongly got him cast as being capable of levels of diva rarely seen.

Some people include the fact he takes racist abuse seriously in their reasoning though I am sure.
 
It's like some people here have been in a coma in the last 2 full seasons, where we barely resembled a football team.
According to them one semi-competent season later we are ready to challenge for PL and CL trophy immediately, we just need the cherry on top (Vini Jr).
I think next season should be a consolidation of sorts, for which we need to get quality and numbers in. I'm not saying we shouldn't try to challenge. If March and April comes along and we have realistic chance in either competition then go for it.
So I'd say, no it is not the time for these sort of signings.
 
RedDevilCanuck said:
If Jose goes there and Vini wants out, it's imperative we sign him.

I don't care about character and diving. We need a real winger that beats defenders. Old Trafford will love him from day 1.

He'd be the best player in the league.

Sick of these wide forwards that can't beat a man - Mata, Sancho, Mbeumo, Antony. Top teams have a freakishly talented winger that can get past a defender from a standing start. Like a super star NBA player that scores through isolation. It breaks down any game plan.
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He's definitely the type of player we need. An attacker who can dribble and doesn't solely rely on his teammates in order to create danger like the aforementioned players you mention.

He's not the player, though. There are wide men out there who can give us those attributes and would cost less in wages + not run the risk of creating dressing room drama.

People after watching the Bayern-PSG game were raving about their attacks, and the wingers came from Rennes, Napoli and Crystal Palace. Luiz obviously came from Liverpool but they got him from Porto. These "smaller' clubs will always have players who can step up to the big teams and become greats. We just need to be better at identifying them as we seem to overlook attributes such as dribbling and being able to play in tight spaces as a club.
 
Yagami said:
He's definitely the type of player we need. An attacker who can dribble and doesn't solely rely on his teammates in order to create danger like the aforementioned players you mention.

He's not the player, though. There are wide men out there who can give us those attributes and would cost less in wages + not run the risk of creating dressing room drama.

People after watching the Bayern-PSG game were raving about their attacks, and the wingers came from Rennes, Napoli and Crystal Palace. Luiz obviously came from Liverpool but they got him from Porto. These "smaller' clubs will always have players who can step up to the big teams and become greats. We just need to be better at identifying them as we seem to overlook attributes such as dribbling and being able to play in tight spaces as a club.
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He's a twat and would break the dressing room. Would be a shit pursuit.
 
Interesting reading. Surprising that some don't understand what INEOS are doing and how Vini would never be signed under INEOS or wanted by Utd generally. We are trying to bring the pay structure down. Casemiro who's leaving is on 350k a week. Bruno 300k. Next is de ligt on 195k.

Vini wants 495k a week. Utterly insane.

We've just seen the two best teams in Europe go toe to toe and every single player worked his bollocks off, even off the ball.

If PSG is the model we want to follow, Vini is the last player you need to try to make that work. It works because despite the individual brilliance of their players the work relentlessly. Kharsa will track a man back all the way to his own area. Someone like vini would just stand there.

Id take Kharsa all day over Vini. Because if we want to win the big trophies again, we can't have any passengers. The best Fergie team didn't carry passengers (Ronaldo aside).
 
We need a player like Vinicius but not sure we need Vinicius.

That said, all this ‘he wants to be paid well so obviously not us’ talk is annoying on the caf. The same people will pop off to the next thread and argue that club x or y are nowhere near as big as United. If WE are not supposed to pay the best players in the game, who is? We can’t just wait for some romantic Stockport Roy of the Rovers player to conquer all.

We should absolutely be turning down a player if he is not the right player, but we certainly shouldn’t be turning down the right player because we only want to pay players under 200k because ‘INEOS are changing things’. Are they changing us to Spurs or something? My gripe with Vini is that I’m not sure he’s the right player, not that 400k p/w makes him the wrong player in and of itself.
 
dinostar77 said:
Interesting reading. Surprising that some don't understand what INEOS are doing and how Vini would never be signed under INEOS or wanted by Utd generally. We are trying to bring the pay structure down. Casemiro who's leaving is on 350k a week. Bruno 300k. Next is de ligt on 195k.

Vini wants 495k a week. Utterly insane.

We've just seen the two best teams in Europe go toe to toe and every single player worked his bollocks off, even off the ball.

If PSG is the model we want to follow, Vini is the last player you need to try to make that work. It works because despite the individual brilliance of their players the work relentlessly. Kharsa will track a man back all the way to his own area. Someone like vini would just stand there.

Id take Kharsa all day over Vini. Because if we want to win the big trophies again, we can't have any passengers. The best Fergie team didn't carry passengers (Ronaldo aside).
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This is exactly the point. Mbappe, who is a similarly talented-beyond-belief player that can’t be arsed doing any leg work, left PSG and they immediately won the Champions League whilst Real have gone backwards.

I’m not sure you can get away with carrying anyone that can’t be arsed to put a shift in any more. Vini is also drunk on the smell of his own farts and thinks tracking back is beneath him.
 
Rozay said:
We need a player like Vinicius but not sure we need Vinicius.

That said, all this ‘he wants to be paid well so obviously not us’ talk is annoying on the caf. The same people will pop off to the next thread and argue that club x or y are nowhere near as big as United. If WE are not supposed to pay the best players in the game, who is? We can’t just wait for some romantic Stockport Roy of the Rovers player to conquer all.

We should absolutely be turning down a player if he is not the right player, but we certainly shouldn’t be turning down the right player because we only want to pay players under 200k because ‘INEOS are changing things’. Are they changing us to Spurs or something? My gripe with Vini is that I’m not sure he’s the right player, not that 400k p/w makes him the wrong player in and of itself.
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I highly doubt the owners are working in terms of the same absolutes that fans are.
Just because we want to target a certain age range doesn't mean we won't look outside of that range for the right player at the right time. Same with wages.

It's about getting the right type of player for the right price and not immediately overspending on big names that might be past their best or not fully committed just because of some foolish notion that it's something we should be doing.
 
Elite player

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He is very good but he is also one top player I don't want my team to go after. Just too much unnecessary drama follows the lad.
 
"drama follows the lad" and it's largely him being (racially) abused
 
TsuWave said:
Elite player

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Drama queen, too much ego. Too lazy to track back. Already on £20mil a year and wants £30mil a year for a new deal (495,000 a week).

Madrid can keep him as no one is going to take him other than a Saudi club.
 
Brilliant player, probably the best LW in the last 3-4 years, and I expect RM to keep him and pay him what's he's worth.
 
TsuWave said:
"drama follows the lad" and it's largely him being (racially) abused
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Him being racially abused is abhorrent.

He comes across as a massively entitled bell end.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive concepts, they can coexist. Just because you’re a victim of something doesn’t mean you’re a saint.
 
I read that only Harry Kane has more goals than him so far in 2026. He is still a super star and a top 10 player in the world as long as Mbappe isn't there.
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
Him being racially abused is abhorrent.

He comes across as a massively entitled bell end.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive concepts, they can coexist. Just because you’re a victim of something doesn’t mean you’re a saint.
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Cristiano Ronaldo was and is a massively entitled bell end. Half of this fanbase still worship him. Salah is a massively entitled bell end, the moment he got dropped to the bench.

Big players tend to have big ego, it’s nothing new under the sun. We kicked Rashford out because he was an unproductive lazy twat, when he was productive he was our star boy even though he was still a lazy twat then.

Before the BdO kerfuffle and his tantrums against Xabi Alonso this season, Vini’s worst offense was speaking out against racism.
 
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TsuWave said:
"drama follows the lad" and it's largely him being (racially) abused
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Well, for the past 5 years he was involved in 20 cases of racism.
That's more than the overall number of incidents for all the major leagues put together in this period.

Maybe, just maybe, he is provoking? Or straight up lying in some cases? Or all the racist people in Europe target him specifically?

And before the very sensitive posters jump on me, saying I'm "blaming the victim".. No, I'm not. I'm stating facts and making suggestions, according to the stated facts.

In an era where racism has been condemned and contained, Vini is set to become the most racially abused player of all time.

Is it just that he is the only one brave enough to speak up? I'm sceptical.
 
InfiniteBoredom said:
Cristiano Ronaldo was and is a massively entitled bell end. Half of this fanbase still worship him. Salah is a massively entitled bell end, the moment he got dropped to the bench.

Big players tend to have big ego, it’s nothing new under the sun. We kicked Rashford out because he was an unproductive lazy twat, when he was productive he was our star boy even though he was still a lazy twat then.

Before the BdO kerfuffle and his tantrums against Xabi Alonso this season, Vini’s worst offense was speaking out against racism.
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Not necessarily untrue, but answer me this: Which player during the PSG vs Bayern game didn’t work their bollocks off? Because that’s the bar.

PSG finally rid themselves of players like that and promptly became the best team in Europe. You can have massive ego but still retain the humility to graft for your teammates. I don’t want any player that doesn’t, because that’s the bar now.
 
DOTA said:
I remember there was a very silly carry on over an award ceremony at one point, centering around him not getting the prize, that rightly or wrongly got him cast as being capable of levels of diva rarely seen.

Some people include the fact he takes racist abuse seriously in their reasoning though I am sure.
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Racist abuse is 100% unjustified but his behaviour on the pitch is that of a twat. Very annoying character.
 
Toshey said:
Well, for the past 5 years he was involved in 20 cases of racism.
That's more than the overall number of incidents for all the major leagues put together in this period.

Maybe, just maybe, he is provoking? Or straight up lying in some cases? Or all the racist people in Europe target him specifically?

And before the very sensitive posters jump on me, saying I'm "blaming the victim".. No, I'm not. I'm stating facts and making suggestions, according to the stated facts.

In an era where racism has been condemned and contained, Vini is set to become the most racially abused player of all time.

Is it just that he is the only one brave enough to speak up? I'm sceptical.
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Look at what we’ve arrived at. He’s provoking racial abuse :+1:
 
IrwinwasbetterthanCarlos said:
Him being racially abused is abhorrent.

He comes across as a massively entitled bell end.

Those two things are not mutually exclusive concepts, they can coexist. Just because you’re a victim of something doesn’t mean you’re a saint.
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You’re babbling. My statement “the drama that follows him around is largely being racially abused”. At no point did I present Vinicius as a saint - whatever that is - or how he comes across.

I think at any point, when you start adding asterisks to explain, justify or “contextualise” racial abuse, you’re a cooked individual.

Interesting battles to choose.
 
Toshey said:
Well, for the past 5 years he was involved in 20 cases of racism.
That's more than the overall number of incidents for all the major leagues put together in this period.

Maybe, just maybe, he is provoking? Or straight up lying in some cases? Or all the racist people in Europe target him specifically?

And before the very sensitive posters jump on me, saying I'm "blaming the victim".. No, I'm not. I'm stating facts and making suggestions, according to the stated facts.

In an era where racism has been condemned and contained, Vini is set to become the most racially abused player of all time.

Is it just that he is the only one brave enough to speak up? I'm sceptical.
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Incredible. Could you let me know exactly when racism was "contained?" I must add that to my diary.
 
Would take him in a heartbeat. But he wouldn’t entertain the thought of us. People citing his attitude issues are off their rocker. Probably the same ones who thought Neymar wasn’t very good.
 
Gavinb33 said:
Just got a manager sacked because he was asked to work harder, for talent he is a great for attitude for the last manager at Real he was terrible
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If he’s so powerful at Madrid why are they able to sell him?
 
DOTA said:
I don't watch him much. What's he do that you don't lilke?
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His provocative celebrations and crying about small things on and off the pitch (non racist ones; he has every right to furious about racism).
 
Redcafe posters that are yet to substantiate their claims: “Vinicius is an egotistical twat that got the last manager sacked because he didn’t want to work hard. Would break our dressing room.”

Real Madrid players:

 
amolbhatia50k said:
Would take him in a heartbeat. But he wouldn’t entertain the thought of us. People citing his attitude issues are off their rocker. Probably the same ones who thought Neymar wasn’t very good.
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His attitude issues got Alonso sacked. Which Perez now probably regrets. It's all hypotheticals as we are never gonna sign him under INEOS. I guess for some the talent out weights the baggage and vice versa.

If it was me and I had a choice for left wing for utd between Vini and Kharsa from PSG. It would be the latter every time.
 
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