Oh no an Instagram post by JB! That completely puts us in our place!
Let's all ignore the other unsettling things he's done because of a nice post on Instagram.
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Oh no an Instagram post by JB! That completely puts us in our place!
Let's all ignore the other unsettling things he's done because of a nice post on Instagram.
And he openly went out to say he would leave the club. Nothing like a bit of wantaway quotes publicly to destabilise a dressing room.
Are Jude Bellingham’s social posts not better indication of dressing room dynamics than VP89’s posts on Redcafe?
Redcafe posters that are yet to substantiate their claims: “his team-mates liking him doesn’t matter. Look at me alluding at supposedly unsettling things he’s done.”
Are Jude Bellingham’s social posts not better indication of dressing room dynamics than VP89’s posts on Redcafe?
Redcafe posters that are yet to substantiate their claims: “his team-mates liking him doesn’t matter. Look at me alluding at supposedly unsettling things he’s done.”
You think an Instagram post to try and promote a brand of unity (ironically because they need to re-establish it) means Vini didn't have obvious toxic antics? You need to be in the dressing room to know the stuff he did was not healthy for the club and the manager and the players?
Superb logic. Next youl tell me I can't say Iceland gets cold because I haven't been.
Imagine trying to hang a hat on a throwaway Instagram posts. It's not like Bellingham or anyone else will go out on insta and say "this guy has been a bit of a wanker"
This one?
If so, respectfully you couldnt come up with an answer and had to Google AI it? I don't think anything there makes him a twat, bad apple or half of what he's been called in this thread. He clearly fell out with the manager as did half their team, and that manager is gone. Vinicius was called all these things before Alonso, and since, so what's the story there? There's certainly nothing there to suggest he's ruin the dressing room.
I do wonder who would buy him. He's a handful, on and off the pitch.
But an awesome talent.
But an awesome talent.
You think an Instagram post to try and promote a brand of unity (ironically because they need to re-establish it) means Vini didn't have obvious toxic antics? You need to be in the dressing room to know the stuff he did was not healthy for the club and the manager and the players?
Superb logic. Next youl tell me I can't say Iceland gets cold because I haven't been.
Imagine trying to hang a hat on a throwaway Instagram posts. It's not like Bellingham or anyone else will go out on insta and say "this guy has been a bit of a wanker"
Why are you answering questions with questions? Is Jude Bellingham not better situated than Redcafe’s VP89 in matters of Real Madrid’s dressing room? You earnestly believe your vague posts and allusions at supposed Vinicius’ infringements are more substantial insight?
Jude Bellingham doesn’t owe Vinicius anything. In fact, his recent posts, and the fact it isn’t common occurrence post-match, has sparked conversation for a reason.
Redcafe posters that are yet to substantiate their claims: “I’ll keep asking you to ignore what the Real Madrid players are saying. I know the deal.” [insert smiley emoji here to accentuate it]
Genuinely let's not, what other unsettling things has he done?
What? I knew what he did, and said it can easily be googled.
If you think openly talking about wanting to leave Real Madrid during the season isn't toxic and openy moaning at the manager infront of the fans isn't either then you do you.
Hes the last type of personality I'd want, it's abundantly clear he's not a team player from the examples I gave.
You're not answering any of my questions mate. You're playing some Instagram post as though it's Bible and accurate to what Jude or anyone actually felt about vinis antics as a real Madrid player.
Next thing you know you'd claim Ferguson was serious when he said "he could have been killed!" in a post match interview
I said the antics vinicius had is toxic and destabilising. That is my opinion. What other real Madrid players thought would be their perogative, but the current real Madrid dressing room of a couple of egotistical bellends who think they're Ronaldo level is not something that works at United.
Was the two examples from this season not enough for you? Sounds like a you problem right now.
Yeah because we are European Champions and every player is lining up to sign for us. Would love Vini here when we have. He’s thrice the player any of our wingers are.
It’s not players. Bellingham is just one player.
He has never been in the top 10 goal scorers of the season and won't finish there this season.
Jude Bellingham is a Real Madrid player and as such it would be wildly inappropriate for him to criticize Vinicius Jr. in public.
Toni Kroos was his teammate, is no longer bound by such professional requirements, and recently had this to say:
Rooney turned down a contract and spoke through his agent about wanting to leave in a middle of a season.
I just think he gets judged differently from other players.
You're not answering any of my questions mate. You're playing some Instagram post as though it's Bible and accurate to what Jude or anyone actually felt about vinis antics as a real Madrid player.
Next thing you know you'd claim Ferguson was serious when he said "he could have been killed!" in a post match interview
I said the antics vinicius had is toxic and destabilising. That is my opinion. What other real Madrid players thought would be their perogative, but the current real Madrid dressing room of egotistical bellends who think they're Ronaldo level is not something that works at United.
You’ve not asked anything of substance. Your questions after I posted a JB post of a unified team pushing in the same direction and interaction with Vinicius - “You think an Instagram post to try and promote a brand of unity (ironically because they need to re-establish it) means Vini didn't have obvious toxic antics? You need to be in the dressing room to know the stuff he did was not healthy for the club and the manager and the players?”
How does me posting that Jude Bellingham’s post means Vinicius is exempt from potentially having had toxic antics? Or that you need to be in the dressing room to know whatever you’re alluding at isn’t healthy for the club/players/managers? I mean, my post was anchored with “Redcafe posters that are yet to substantiate their claims” - doesn’t that already answer that I don’t think you need to be polishing Alvaro Carreras boots to be able speak on this?
Those are smooth-brained questions so I gave you the benefit the doubt and assumed you were just being cheeky. I did then ask you if Jude Bellingham’s social posts are not better indication of dressing room dynamics at Real Madrid than VP89’s posts on Redcafe?
You said other unsettling things. Its not a "me problem" it's backing up what you're saying with actual fact. You've made out like he has a host of issues, and I'm asking you to simply list them.
Or is it that he fell out with his manager and in your opinion didn't handle that well?
Just thinking about the same. As talented as he is, it would take a lot in terms of fees, wages and fitting him into the team.
PSG have moved away from this, and I feel Kvar is more suited for Enrique.
I don’t think Bayern will go for him, and not really their style of player.
United have moved away from Woodward days.
Don’t see City going for him as long as Pep is there.
That leaves Chelsea, Arsenal, and maybe Italy? It’s much better for him if he stays where he is.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/spiel...usrichtung=alle&spielerposition_id=alle&art=0
Top goalscorers this year. Not season.
I know. This year is only four months so far and is not a reflection of his actual goal scoring abilities.
Does the manager saying that it’s players count?
Alvaro Arbeloa says he is "very lucky" to have a "born leader" in Vinicius Junior at Real Madrid, after his brace helped them to victory over Espanyol.
"He has done a great job helping us at the back as well, which is something I always thank him for. A fantastic player, a born leader, a teammate that everyone loves, a great person. I'm very lucky."
https://www.beinsports.com/en-us/so...ave-born-leader-vinicius-at-madrid-2026-05-04
Gives it more weight. But honestly, I just found it weird that you were being so pedantic but would talkt about players, after quoting a single player and no one else. I also don't get why you are discussing this with such aggressive energy.
I spoke of players because of the interactions on the post. They seem to be pushing or at least willing to push in the same direction. The manager supplemented it and specifically spoke highly of Vinicius and how he’s regarded by his team-mates.
How am I the one with aggressive energy for asking people to substantiate their claims regarding a player - and not the ones calling the player “twat”, “egotistical” and saying he’d break a dressing room (when his manager says otherwise by the way). Hell, there’s people in this thread rationalising racial abuse towards Vinicius, and for saying “redcafe posters yet to substantiate their claims” I’m exhibiting aggressive energy?
Because you are doing it with a poster who has not trivialized the abuse Vinicius receives. That is my issue. At least if I haven't missed anything. And while there was one poster doing this, he has been sanctioned by the mods and that's it, as far as I can see. And I believe it is unfair to try and paint others, who think Vini is an asshole, with the same brush.
You have also not responded to the statement from Kroos, who was very critical of Vinicius Junior as a teammate. And unlike the manager or a current teammate, he does not really have an incentive to lie.
For clarification, I’ve not said Vinicius hasn’t had moments in which he should be criticised or that he’s immune from criticism. In fact, I’m on record in this thread stating that I don’t even know what “pairing him as a Saint” or whatever that argumentation is even came from.
Kroos’ statement reads as though as he didn’t appreciate the spotlight put on the team, by the incidents with Vinicius but he’s not responsible for all those, certainly not the one in which he was racially abused.
Moreover, and on topic - Kroos is on record saying he got along with Vinicius perfectly on and off the pitch, which speaks to my contention point of breaking the dressing room:
He told Marca, "I’ve always liked them very much, from a very young age. At Real Madrid with Vinicius, Casemiro and [Eder] Militao I have always had a good relationship. They enjoy life very much, they have a very different life from the Germans. With Casemiro or Vini I got along perfectly. I had a great connection with Vinicius. I got along very well with him off the pitch as well. If you have a bad relationship off the pitch it’s difficult to have it on the pitch.
Kroos quotes are really interesting.
As a Madrid fan can I ask what do you think about Mbappe going on holiday while injured? Storm in a team cup?
Turning down a contract is fine. But it's good you made this example because the public statement he gave about ambition didn't sit well with our club and the dressing room at the time. It was actually a problem for the players and completely unhelpful
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...r-united-dressing-room?utm_source=chatgpt.com
Vini is not Wayne Rooney, and Rooney never openly had bust ups with Ferguson infront of fans.
It was substantial. You just ignored it. To answer your last question, yes. Insta is often not even fully operated by the player and often has PR promoting bollocks. Even if Jude has a problem on Vini he's not going to talk about on in Instagram. It's such a weird hill to die on when making a point, I'm astounded it still needs explaining.
What Vinicius did openly to Alonso and what he said to the media is so obviously fractious, but I assume it takes a smooth brained understanding. Perhaps I over estimated you. Or, maybe you can answer a question for once and confirm whether those antics were or weren't fractious in your opinion?
No that's probably unfair from me, the line was drawn more from his frankly open disrespect of Alonso who tried to instil more of a team mentality. And then the way he just went to the media directly. That type of shit won't last long at United, he was lucky that he had Ancelotti for a while. I think this type of behaviour that he showed this season would be more of a barometer, and these are two big red flags I've put out.
No one is rationalising racist abuse, just saying that being the victim of it doesn’t mean you’re automatically not a knob.
Modern culture has a weird fetishisation of victims. This is a great example of it; any criticism of him is immediately shut down as victim blaming.
Racism is abhorrent, no one should be subjected to it, it is not in any way acceptable. But the kind of preening, self absorbed nature of certain modern players, Vini being one, Cristiano another, makes certain football fans, me included, not like them. Unfortunately, some people are thick, so they manifest that dislike against one of them because he’s black. They just boo the other one and call him a c**t.
What am I doing with the poster besides asking him to substantiate his claims pertaining Vinicius? I’ve not attributed trivialising or rationalising racial abuse to VP89, in my reply to you I made clear separation between his claims and the people that did the aforementioned.
You said I was discussing it with aggressive energy, when in fact my initial post asked for people to substantiate their claims because the players at Real Madrid are seemingly not on board with that rhetoric. VP89 then replied with a comedic/mocking tone of “oh no, team-mates being nice to each other” - and I asked him if he thought his vague insights on here held more weight on Real Madrid dressing room dynamics than social posts from Real Madrid players.
So, again, how is asking people to substantiate their name calling of a player “aggressive energy”? and not the name calling of said player nor the sarcastic replies, or even what others were doing previously when rationalising the racial abuse of said player?
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For what it's worth, il answer here again. Yes it does because Instagram is broadly PR bollocks.
Evidently I ignored it because I don’t find it of substance. If you perceive a post showing dressing room unity means is an indication that a player is incapable of having toxic traits that’s not really on me to correct. It doesn’t even make sense.
For the record. I vehemently disagree that VP89’s posts on redcafe are better indication of Real Madrid’s dressing room dynamic than social posts by Real Madrid players (even if those are operated by PR teams)
Your overestimation of me wouldn’t necessarily be out of place here. You’ve just said you think your posts on this forum pertaining Real Madrid dressing room dynamics hold more weight than social posts by Real Madrid players - it tracks.
I don’t know which antics or whatever you keep alluding to, or whatever he might have said to the media, etc. I actually don’t keep track of everything Vinicius does or says. That’s the crux of this exchange - I’ve asked you to substantiate your position.
I don't think it was very smart of him.
You just came out and seriously thought an Instagram post is an accurate depiction of events. There is genuinely no value in entertaining anything logical from someone who takes an Instagram post as accurate depiction of events.
You didn't answer my question by the way. Il ask again, do you think what vinicius did in my examples were fractious and toxic at the time?
Okay, fair enough.
No, I came out and said Redcafe posters yet to substantiate their claims: xyz accusations. Meanwhile Real Madrid players: and posted a social post of a public show of unit. Which has been supplemented by quotes from Real Madrid’s manager.
There’s no value in entertaining anything logical from anyone that thinks the above translates to “the player is exempt of having toxic traits” and/or that believe their opinions as a remote observer mean more than those of the actual players and manager.
???
Thats actually hilarious. So you have no idea what public events I mentioned and you thought a PR post on Instagram overrides that.
It takes a serious lack logic to discuss without actually hearing or knowing what was said.
None of my posts about what he did this season was unsubstantiated. He did openly moan openly to the manager when being hooked. He did openly go to the media saying he had to leave Madrid mid season. He did get told to give a public apology for his actions. These are all facts.
The opinion I gave is that those traits are toxic and don't fit our club. You don't think so it seems because Bellingham gave him a hi5 on Instagram.
It seems as though you just wanted a segue to get this off. I don’t know how this is relevant to my post.
I said “the drama that follows him is largely being racially abused”, and you replied with:
“Racism is abhorrent.
He comes across as a massively entitled bell end.
Those two things are not mutually exclusive concepts, they can coexist. Just because you’re a victim of something doesn’t mean you’re a saint.”
I try not to be in the business of conversations that branch off endlessly, but I don’t know how saying that largely the drama that follows Vinicius is the racial abuse he receives, translates into anything approaching “he’s a Saint”/“automatically not a knob” and off-shoots about modern fetishization of victims.
We can all choose our battles, but adding asterisks to a simple statement just to go off about how victims of racism aren’t exempt from being knobs, is not my ministry. Especially so when that wasn’t even a notion being put forward.
I’m not in the business of calling people “smooth brained” for deigning to disagree with me…
Thats how conversations are had.
Much like I don’t keep track of everything Vinicius does or says. I don’t keep track of everything you post on Redcafe. I asked you to substantiate your claims, in our conversation, which you haven’t done. I don’t know what infringements or incidents you keep alluding to. I did however, say that the notion of Vinicius breaking the dressing room isn’t supported by the public shows of unity from Real Madrid players, as well as quotes from his manager.
I have not said that Vinicius is incapable of having toxic traits or breaking a dressing room. I said that what’s coming from the people involved at Real Madrid holds more weight than your posts alluding at stuff.
Me: substantiate your claims, please. This is what’s coming from Madrid
You: disregard that. Do you not think what he’s done is fractious?
Me: substantiate your claims. I hold what the people involved are saying and showing publicly at a higher esteem than vague allusions by random posters on redcafe
You: so you don’t know what-
Me: what the feck??