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Vinicius | signs a new contract with Madrid
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Unfortunately, he has lots of attributes to be a raging success in PL. Hopefully Arsenal won’t get him.
Perhaps a few have explored it. There's been interviews with Vini's agents in the past saying if he ever leaves Madrid they see the Premier League as the likely landing spot.
Then City ITK's a good while ago now said his agents from Roc Nation had been in touch with themselves, Liverpool and Arsenal to see if any would be interested.
I've no doubt each of them would have at the very least explored the numbers involved, and then came to their own conclusions based on needs and wants.
I don't know what arrogance you've been subjected to in your personal circles, and i certainly don't want to come across that way. I'm with a lot of the others on here that thinks he ends up renewing at Madrid. It's just it seems we've done a lot of background work to try and position ourselves at the front if he does leave.
Respectfully disagree that Luis Enrique would be interested in Vinicius Jr when he has Kvara. They are all about the team effort and Kvara players that LW / Left Forward role to absolute perfection.
if the image rights factored into it, why is he not asking for more of the image rights from Madrid?
Vini is a very hard working player, he’s got a bit of selfishness in him, but all the great players do.
He would fit in well at psg without question, unlike mbappe he works for the team relentlessly.
That’s precisely what’s he’s been reported to have done.
Link?
I also don't think I got my point across clearly here. Any club bidding for Vini now are bidding against what Vini could earn by waiting a year and signing on a free transfer
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I’m not suggesting Vinicius isn’t hard working, but the Georgian seems almost peerless on that front whenever I’ve watched him.
I think we need to be careful about what's being reported and supposed demands. We know that both the club and the players agents will be putting out different versions of events in a bit of a PR war.
The last link I saw yesterday was an Athletic article by Ornstein, Gunnerblog and Cortenaga actually said a signing on fee is the biggest sticking point.
I’m not so concern about them signing Bruno. This one would he terrible news for everyone else.
That’s exactly the reason why a deal with Arsenal is even remotely possible. Both Real and Arsenal have huge incentives to do a deal (quickly) if an agreement can’t be reached on a renewal.
But Vini doesn't, and for Arsenal waiting a year means a significantly lower total cost, as well as possibly fewer issues with future contract extensions to other players
If they didn't give in for Cristiano or Ramos, they won't do it for Vini. It's a shame because I think we're getting close to the point of no return.
From the team's perspective, even with Mourinho in charge, I find it hard to see how everything fits together. There isn't a dominant figure like there was in the BBC era. If that's the case, sell him for 150 million €. Otherwise, let him stay without renewing.
From the team's perspective, even with Mourinho in charge, I find it hard to see how everything fits together. There isn't a dominant figure like there was in the BBC era. If that's the case, sell him for 150 million €. Otherwise, let him stay without renewing.
He'd likely have better options than Arsenal in a year though. That's why they're desperate for it to be done now.
This is exactly why I asked you if Real would drastically reduce his playing time this season if he refused to sign an extension.
Real have briefed several times that he either extends or is sold as they don’t want to lose him on free. And I’ve even seen quotes attributed to Vini saying that were he ever to leave then Real deserve to get a fee for him.
I think you underestimate how much Arsenal want to make the most of this moment. The timing is incredibly fortunate in that we’ve won the PL and were CL finalists after both TV deals were recently renegotiated. We’re estimated to have earned £788m last season, a record for the PL and inching towards the billion Euro club.
Signing Vini doesn’t make sense for most of clubs capable of signing him right now. That obviously won’t be the case in January when he’s available to be signed for free on a pre-contract. If we want a clear run at him, the only time is now. Plus, having him in our team would make us more likely to retain the PL and win our first CL. In success, that would be worth far more than the transfer fee.
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Yeah not gonna lie it's a terrifying prospect
Sad state of affairs that 2 of the 3 top threads on our transfer forum are players going to Arsenal.
Yep, that’s what Gooners have been saying for the last several pages. While we have a reputation for being an arrogant and delusional fanbase, if you actually read the comments they’re all a variation of, ‘We need to do everything we can to seal this deal immediately because there’s no guarantee of when we’ll next be in a position to do so.’
This.
If he goes to Arsenal, then I think the Premiership is all but done.
Aside from Halaand, Vinicius Jnr is a level up on any attacking forward in the Premier League. He will smash some teams up. On his game, that skill, unpredictability, power, determination.
Christ.
Personally I think you have to accept that for reasons beyond your control that nickname is no longer appropriate for online discussion...
But yeah I agree that for the most part you lot on here have sadly not gotten that carried away over this one so far either with regards to your chances of signing him or your place in the pecking order more broadly.
Noted.Yeah without a doubt
I am not sure about that. I see no reason how Vini's party not asking a huge signing fee as big as the transfer fee as a free agent. I highly doubt he will leave this summer if he can't agree a contract extension with Real Madrid.
Yes, from Vini's camp point of view, a free transfer would mean a massive massive signing fee, which is why I dont see him moving right now. The only way this happens is if we give him a significant signing fee outside of the usual right now as well, aside of the 150 mil Real transfer fee. There is no such thing as a real free transfer for a player like Vini. What you save at one end you will end up paying in signing fees and extra wages.
The problem is you cannot break the bank to get Vini when you already have a star player.
Bayern Olise/Kane/Musiala
Olise’s agent will have a field day if they sign him.
Also they just bought Luiz who is also doing well.
Also people forget they also have Musiala whose contract is also up for renewal soon so his agent will also wreck havoc.
City Haaland
City are probably already paying more to Haaland.
Its difficult for Vini to go there and be the main man which he probably wants to.
Also with Rodri/Pep gone and 115 hanging takes some shine off them. But still yes City Maybe but not sure how attractive they are currently.
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PSG They have Kvara who is similar level.
(If they go for him we can then put the same money in front of Kvara)
Arsenal
We dont have a star player. The closest is Saka and he is a level (or two) below Vini. So he can come in and slot into a position we need so that just fits.
There are not many teams who have the capability, will and need to do this kind of a deal and are also attractive for the player.
Arsenal at the moment have all these.
Having said that, Its still unlikely he moves because he is very emotional with Madrid and Madrid does that to players. But incase if he moves its highly likely he moves to Arsenal.
Thats significantly less cost Mbappe had is the reason you are seeing problems with Vini Jr.
The free transfer is while is cheaper for that specific deal its not necessarily the best deal overall for the club.
Also next year we may not be the best destination for him aswell. Bayern can come to the table with Diaz ageing and if Musiala does not renew. If Haaland moves to Madrid then city can be at the table. So the extra 40-50m that it would cost the club might be worth it.
I think he perhaps goes to Arsenal if there’s no other interest from the bigger clubs. Kind of an only option situation.
Other than that no chance.
Other than that no chance.
You’re bordering on the final stage - acceptance.
Who out there can actually afford him?
Accepting this is basically saying to the rest of us forget winning the Premier League for the foreseeable
Who is a bigger club right now other than Bayern or PSG? Arsenal have shown they are there or there abouts for a CL.
It doesn’t feel any closer to happening from what I’ve seen. Probably the opposite. You never know though! If he’s keen to leave and it’s a one horse race…
Seriously?
Not sure if you're stuck in 2008, but you need to accept reality that they are the best team in the country right now.
That "better club" stuff is bollocks when they are winning the league and on the brink of a CL.
I’m not sure you understand the concept if I’m honest.
Leicester were the best team in the country at one point. Blackburn too.
You're using bigger and better synonymously here. Not many better around at the moment, quite a few bigger though
That’s what people said last season when LiV spent a fortune in the window and that didn’t turn out well
Arsenal have been competing for the title for some time, have you seen indications that this Arsenal sides best players are going to be raided by other clubs like Leicester or Blackburn?
Let's not downplay them when they've shown signs for years and got far in the CL.
Did Leicester finish 2nd 3 times in a row and reach the CL Semis and then Finals. Also do you see all the best Arsenal players being poached this summer, on the contrary we're looking to strengthen our team further.
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