Let's face it pal, you wouldn't give a Liverpool player validation if he found a way to end all wars & found a cure for cancer.
You are just rambling on now and posting nonsense. The fact you have introduced Phil Neville into the discussion tells me you're foaming at the mouth in anger because I'm not licking Virgil's ring piece.
Vidic coped better without Ferdinand than the other way round. I found him to be the better player.
Vidic has some of the best stats in PL history. (Better than VVD btw).
No foaming going on here my friend. Just indulging in a little bit of banter & debate. Seeing as you can't answer my initial question - which I fully understand - then answer me this hypothetical one.
So therefore if he was underrated, that means Ferdinand must have been overrated, yes ?
I wouldn't even be asking the question until he'd delivered what those two had for a consistent period of time. You Liverpool fans are so giddy it's like you have to go all in and shout about something straight away. I get you're excited about breaking the league hoodoo but just settle down.
Erm no. That's not how that works really.
Great post. At least one of the dippers gets it. Bravo!
Some of them are little snakes. They pretend to come on here for intelligent discussion but then if you don't back their opinions or lick their arses they get upset like a jilted lover.
The lack of patience just gets to me. Legends are always looked on kindly down the line. Van Dijk isn’t going to die if we don’t all loudly hoist him up to the top of the pile with Maldini and co RIGHT NOW.
I bet you were quite happy having us on here during United's glory years. In fact I know you were because I was here too & I don't ever recall cries for us all being banned back then. There's plenty of threads on The Caf, so if you don't like, or you disagree, what people are saying on a particular thread then you have the option to challenge it or ignore it. But just to ignore it & call for the scouse f**kers to be banned is not really what football forums are about are they ?
Are United fans welcomed with open arms on RAWK?
Just reread some of them. Pure comedy gold. Virgil Van Donkey, not good enough for UtdSome of the posts in the first few pages
Only if they’re skilled in the art of such bloody awful poetry.
There was nowhere near as many of you, or you were nowhere near as loud. And for that matter, neither were we during our glory years. I completely regret not being a massive gobshite like a large percentage of Liverpool fans at the moment.
Yes, Coutinho left to play with Messi at Barcelona and Owen left to join the Galacticos at Real Madrid because they both wanted to get out from the limelight of the footballing world that we all know shines the brightest on players who never win anything while playing for Liverpool.
You're coming up with some random rubbish tonight. Thought you were actually one of the alright Scouse posters who wasn't overly deluded but I'm not sure now. Why on earth are you lecturing us about our own forum and trying to level a comparison? It's a United forum. You're a guest here. You shouldn't all be banned but the gobshites should get the boot. Especially if they are coming here to gloat and wind up United fans. The same way you wouldn't tolerate someone taking the piss out of you in your own home.
I don't believe they are, why ? The thing is RAWK has been ridiculed on here for years, which is fair enough. But there quite often seemed to be something of a 'self-righteous' attitude on here from some people over the fact that oppo fans were 'tolerated' on here as opposed to RAWK. I suggested that you could only judge yourself as being truly tolerant if/when United were well into a state of decline & other clubs had overtaken them. We now seem to be at that stage & we have a growing call from certain posters to have us all removed. If that happens, The Caf really becomes no better than RAWK.
Yeah, fair point
That's the problem you see. Who gets to decide what's banter & debate & what's gloating & wumming ? Some people are more sensitive than others, especially as your hated enemy looks set to do the unthinkable & win their first league title in 3 decades. Seeing as I came through the newbies the same way as you probably did I'd argue that my point is just as valid as yours, because it's not a house it's a football forum FFS. It might well be a Manchester United forum but it's mainly the Liverpool threads I post on. Seems to me like there are some on here who just want the freedom to offer negative opinions on Liverpool matters without redress. I mean, how shit would that be ?
If someone comes to my house and wants a bit of banter fine. If someone thinks I'm going to tolerate them coming over purely to take the piss out of me and wind me up they are getting thrown out by the scruff of their neck. It's simple really. It's a United forum and you lot are guests here. By all means get involved in banter but if you are just posting here to cause bother and mug us all off you can do one and hopefully the mods recognise that and rightfully feck you off. It's not a democracy.
Maybe I'm a deluded united fan but I dont really believe any club has over taken us. Yes no doubt both pool and city teams are far better than us at present but we are still worth 2 or 3 times what liverpool are as a club, still draw bigger crowds, pull in bigger deals etc. Your current team is better than our current team but I dont see in what other ways you have overtaken us? I'd argue that if you took Vvd out of this pool side and put him in ours we would probably be level on points at that moment. Or if Klopp were to take over the German national team in the summer, you would most likely be back to your old shit selves.
No, I've been here since 2001 and back then I thought you were all deluded bell ends and I used to like that a lot of you got banned quite often for stepping out of line even slightly. I then, as now, wonder what on earth would make you join a Manchester United forum. You can pretend it's not really a United forum, but it is. It's owned by a United fan and United fans outnumber fans of all other teams on here combined.
I could answer that by saying that I’m not from the northwest of England, so the rivalry doesn’t mean as much to me.
Nope, because that would be missing the 3rd - and what everyone agrees is the most important - element, the player's individual quality. And often tied into that, you'd have the players' direct contribution to that success.
VVD is better. My eyes don’t lie. There hasn’t been anything like this guy. I think you know it too.
Who gets to write the rules on 'legendary status' ? The moment Alex Ferguson & the likes of Hughes, Pallister, Bruce & co won United's first league title in 26 years did they not deserve the title of legends then ? Did United supporters say, " meh, let's wait until they've won a few more titles & a CL before we bestow such an accolade upon them"
The first I'd ever heard of Redcafe was when I clicked on to a link from a small LFC forum which took me here. There was a thread on Emlyn Hughes who had sadly passed away a year or two earlier. There were lots of complimentary comments about him so I joined with the sole intention of just thanking people for their kind words. After a spell in the newbies I was eventually promoted the day after John O'Shea scored that last minute winner at Anfield (nice one mods). I actually found this place to be good fun. As a highly competitive character myself I really enjoyed the challenging nature of going up against supporters of our fiercest rivals, so I've hung around for a lot longer than I'd expected. I can kinda understand why you're pissed off, especially as the fortunes of our clubs have changed in recent years. What I can't understand though is what would you post differently about LFC if we were all excluded ? Do you simply want to write guff & shite about Liverpool without others taking you to task over what you believe ? Be a boring place if that was the case. Even people on RAWK have said recently about how good this place is for general football discussion. Now that's the highest praise you're likely to get.
There you go again with this 'house' analogy. & if you feel I'm mugging you off then you have the opportunity to report me as a WUM. It's a game of football FFS. Stop being so sensitive & dramatic.
I think there’s a difference between club legends and football legends though. There’s obviously a broad degree of overlap between the two, but being a legendary club figure isn’t necessarily the same as being a legendary world footballing figure.
