Was Lindelofs foul for Tuanzebe’s goal the correct decision?

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Explain shepherding the ball out of play then.
Don't get me fecking started on that nonsense.

For some reason, the whole footballing world has stood around and allowed a situation where intentional obstruction is not only tolerated, but applauded. Let's all pay for tickets and tv subscriptions to sit there and clap some 6ft4 shit house run around the ball in a circle, shoving his arse into the attacker to keep him away from it until it rolls out for another goal kick. It absolutely boils my piss.

In other news, I was once red carded for kicking the legs out from under a centre back who was shepherding the ball into touch as we were 2-1 down with a couple of minutes to go.
 

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Don't get me fecking started on that nonsense.

For some reason, the whole footballing world has stood around and allowed a situation where intentional obstruction is not only tolerated, but applauded. Let's all pay for tickets and tv subscriptions to sit there and clap some 6ft4 shit house run around the ball in a circle, shoving his arse into the attacker to keep him away from it until it rolls out for another goal kick. It absolutely boils my piss.

In other news, I was once red carded for kicking the legs out from under a centre back who was shepherding the ball into touch as we were 2-1 down with a couple of minutes to go.
:lol:

Explains your philosophy on what is acceptable and what isn't.
 

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You do realize that standing in the way of a player is a foul right?
No it isn’t.


“IMPEDING THE PROGRESS OF AN OPPONENT WITHOUT CONTACT

Impeding the progress of an opponent means moving into the opponent’s path to obstruct, block, slow down or force a change of direction when the ball is not within playing distance of either player.

All players have a right to their position on the field of play; being in the way of an opponent is not the same as moving into the way of an opponent.”


He at no point moved into the way of Lindelof. He stood his ground and was turning around to prepare for a ball that was a mile above his head when he got kneed in the head by someone flying through the air who completely misjudged the flight of the ball, yet again. It’s a clear foul.
 

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Is this serious?

He almost took his fecking head off? :lol:
 

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Goal should have stood for me, with Lindelof still getting booked for careless play.

Completely accidental and had no impact on the goal - ball was too high for both and neither player were ever getting to it.

Let’s say that a left winger runs down the line with the ball, cuts inside and bends one into the top corner. An opposing player is seen lying on the ground as the winger celebrates; VAR has a look... the right winger, while making a support run accidentally elbows a defender (that he doesn’t see), in the face with a flailing arm... Is the goal disallowed?
 

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Goal should have stood for me, with Lindelof still getting booked for careless play.

Completely accidental and had no impact on the goal - ball was too high for both and neither player were ever getting to it.

Let’s say that a left winger runs down the line with the ball, cuts inside and bends one into the top corner. An opposing player is seen lying on the ground as the winger celebrates; VAR has a look... the right winger, while making a support run accidentally elbows a defender (that he doesn’t see), in the face with a flailing arm... Is the goal disallowed?
Yes, and perhaps a red card if the elbow is bad enough

Seen VAR moments where someone isnt interfering with play but fouls someone so a goal is chalked off.
 

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Well what about this one then, Evans on Drogba?

Apologies for bad quality

 

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Drogba got booked for that :lol:
I was basking in the deliciousness of that, until a memory popped into my head. I'm about 60% sure that Drogba beat us with an offside goal in that game.
 

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Lindelof. Top class goal stopper
 

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I’ll repeat this from the Lindelöf thread:


When there is an airial ball, and one player doesn’t go for the ball but moves in for a collision, it is a foul against him, and might even be a yellow for dangerous play. The player who is airborn has no way of changing direction or keeping balance. This was a cross from a corner, Lindelöf goes up for the ball as you should, and is chanceless when Bautista comes walking blindfolded into him, neither looking for the ball or other players. If Lindelöf doesn’t try to cover himself, he will be the one taking a somersault two meters up, possibly landing on his neck.

There has been a tendency of late for referees to ignore the rules regarding this and award freekicks for those who ‘look more victimized’. But it’s bad refereeing, and sets a dangerous precedent.
 

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You shouldnt need to protect yourself from a flying knee when you arent near the ball. You might get caught if you stoop to head the ball thats right there, but even then you dont see players launching themselves forward with their hands on their head to protect themselves. They are completely open to the contact. So no, you dont protect yourself when the ball is in the air
The only question here is whether it is a foul or not. once we agree it's a foul, that's all that matters in the context of the debate.
I never said it's not a foul.

Maybe I replied to the wrong person but my point was that the sociedad player was stupid for not tracking his runner on a corner (my original post was something like "definite foul but sociedad player is stupid for not protecting himself").

On a corner people are taking running jumps around you from all directions. You need to be aware of them and not just "ball watch". Just watch his actions up until the foul - he is just standing there, watching the ball for the entire flight, up until he is under the ball. Then he blindly turns around just at the wrong moment- he should be more cognisant of his position there. It'd be like texting while not looking both ways at a zebra crossing and getting ran over by a speeding driver. Yes the driver is in the wrong but you would be stupid not to make sure of your surroundings while its going on.

You need to protect yourself in dangerous situations in sport
 
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I have to give it to Lindelof, he showed some real leaping ability there. Other than that he is lucky not to see red, no question on the foul, what’s he thinking. I feel bad for Taunzebe though.
 

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Crop everything out except for Victor's flying knee knockout. It will slide right into a UFC highlight reel
 

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Don't get me fecking started on that nonsense.

For some reason, the whole footballing world has stood around and allowed a situation where intentional obstruction is not only tolerated, but applauded. Let's all pay for tickets and tv subscriptions to sit there and clap some 6ft4 shit house run around the ball in a circle, shoving his arse into the attacker to keep him away from it until it rolls out for another goal kick. It absolutely boils my piss.

In other news, I was once red carded for kicking the legs out from under a centre back who was shepherding the ball into touch as we were 2-1 down with a couple of minutes to go.
I know who would lose in a game of chicken then
 

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When that incident happened, I thought it was a clear goal (heat of the moment maybe) but looking back it's a clear foul.
 

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There's a difference between smashing the head with the knee and a clash between knee and head. In the first one the strength is in the knee, in the second one is in the calves.

It's accidental not reckless nor excessive force, so should have been foul and no booking.
 

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It was a foul

Lindelof was a little unlucky. If you look at his body shape when he goes for the ball, and tuanzebe body shape, they are similar except lindelof is higher and because he's unchallenged (and a little reckless) it ends up being a dangerous looking knee and this a foul

But it's nice to know he can leap that high
 

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It's a strange one no doubt.

The argument for it being a foul is based on it being reckless/dangerous play by lindelof, but would it be reckless/dangerous if the defender had made an attempt to either challenge for the ball or had more awareness of his surroundings and defended himself.

Lindelof is entiltiled to go for the ball and is allowed to run and jump to go for it I'm not sure he does much wrong, it looks bad on replays of course but in my eyes it's not a foul it's the defenders fault he should either make a challenge or be more aware of his surroundings you cant just stand still on a corner and then complain when someone runs/jumps into you.

Football is still a contact sport and sometimes there will be unavoidable contact that isn't a foul and I think this is one of those cases.
 

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That was a natural leap by Lindelof, the defender hasn't jumped which has made it look ten times as bad.
Had the defender jumped then a foul wouldn't have been called.
Fine margins and a close call as far as I'm concerned.
Please to see fire in Lindelofs belly though.
 

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I think it's arguably a red card, no doubt the defender hasn't helped himself by not competing for the ball but he could have been very seriously injured there, its a really dangerous challenge for both players as Vic could've been flipped on the way down too.

Its clearly a foul but I do think there's an interesting grey area here with regards to disallowing the goal. If we accept lindelofs act had no bearing on the cross or finish there's no good reason to rule it out. I'd have happily accepted the goal stands and Victor gets a red card.
 

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Dopey fecker totally mistimed his jump. Shit in defence, shit in attack. Sell.

no foul, btw. Their defender equally dopey.
 

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Its a bit of an odd one really. On the one hand, he will argue that he made a straight attempt to go for the ball and it was the defender who just stood still. When you watch the vid, you can see Lindelof is watching the ball. On the other hand, he kneed the guy in the head. There's an argument that he's endangering an opponent, he could have seen red for that incident with another ref.

What I don't really get is the yellow card. if its a legit attempt to win the ball, its not a foul. If the ref thinks that raising his knee like that was a foul, its a red card too. Feels like the yellow was just the ref not really being sure and splitting the difference.
 

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I was basking in the deliciousness of that, until a memory popped into my head. I'm about 60% sure that Drogba beat us with an offside goal in that game.
It wasn't the same game if I remember correctly, we beat them in the game Evans destroyed him :lol:
 

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Just good that he can show a bit of aggression,
All he has to do now is transfer that to making a tackle and making legitimate aerial challenges
 

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I am mostly shocked that Lindelof could jump that high in the air - more than anything.

Foul yes - I would say yellow correct decision as he didnt see him and it was an accident, but orange ...
 

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It's definitely a foul and I was one of the people insisting it wasn't so I will hold my hands up there, sorry all. :lol: It's much worse now I've actually seen a replay.

I did still thoroughly enjoy arguing with the poster who likened this incident - bear in mind it's getting accidentally clattered in a game of professional sport - to somebody walking up to you on the street whilst you mind your own and stabbing you.

But yeah, it's very reckless. I still don't think there's any intent at all and he is just trying to make a play on the ball, but quite clearly you can't jump in that manner.

Humble pie is in the oven as we speak.
 

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I'm sure there are some people who actually believe that it wasn't a foul, but surely most of the people saying that are just trolling and having fun. There can't be that many people who think that, can there?

What I don't really get is the yellow card. if its a legit attempt to win the ball, its not a foul. If the ref thinks that raising his knee like that was a foul, its a red card too. Feels like the yellow was just the ref not really being sure and splitting the difference.
It can still be a foul if he's legit trying to win the ball. We see it all the time. Intention makes the punishment worse (if the ref believed he did it deliberately it would have been a red), but if the ref believes that it was a reckless without being bad enough for a red then it makes perfect sense to be a yellow. I for one believe he got it right.
 

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If that had been the other way round and it was one of our players getting the knee in the face, how many on here would be arguing for the goal to stand?

Anyone remember this gem?

 

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In what world is flying through the air with your knee extended Sagat style not a freekick? He all but removed the guy's head from his shoulders.

Also, I had fun with the dishes. Good times.
 

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Yes. Ridiculous challenge. All he had to do was block the defender and not jump into him and Axel’s goal stands.

Otherwise he had a decent game, should be fairly happy with his overall performance