Glorio
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funny coming from you!You sold him to a bunch of mugs for a huge loss a year after you signed him. He was a flop.
funny coming from you!You sold him to a bunch of mugs for a huge loss a year after you signed him. He was a flop.
I disagree that he was a tier below, just wasn't used to the pace of a league where the players you mentioned had spent most of their careerHe struggled with the tempo at times. You never saw Keane or Scholes struggling with that, so he was a tier below them.
I remember some games when he was ran over and just looked perplexed by the tempo.
But when in control he was class. Just not as good as Keane or Scholes.
No one is trying to compare Veron with Andy Goram (a reserve keeper )His performance in this game was epic and the game itself was a significant match in reclaiming the title in 02/03.... and like someone else has pointed out, it is infuriating that this game finished 2-0 to United, not 2-1 as the video is labeled.
Much like Berbatov (as many have pointed out) Veron blew hot and cold, and ultimately his inconsistency led to his exit, but make no mistake - when he was on, he was on. He was a significant contributor in our 02/03 title so that alone elevates him above the "flop" category - I'm not saying he was our best player that season (that would have clearly been RVN) but Veron made a significant contribution in the season (which should nullify the "but bit part players like Kieron Richardson, Mike Eagles, Luke Chadwick, Quinton Fortune won league titles" counter argument - Veron was in no way a bit part player in 02/03). Anyone who watched Veron destroy Juve over two legs in 2003 would see that the boy could play football and that he should not be included in the same category with names like : Alexis Sanchez, Di Maria, Memphis Depay, Bastian Schweinsteiger, Mark Bosnich, Klebberson DJDJ, Gary Birtles, Andy Goram, Terry Gibson, Jim Leighton, Karel Poborski, Jordi Cryuff.
I thought the same tbh. I thought the penny was just about dropping - shows how ruthlessly efficient SAF was I guessI don’t remember the opponent but my memory swears I was watching a pre season highlight on Sky News & he played a ridiculous through ball for an assist then was sold days later.
Might just be a false memory but I remember thinking he was about to settle as well.
I thought the same at the time, but afterwards, I think it was more about bigging him up so he could sell him.I thought the same tbh. I thought the penny was just about dropping - shows how ruthlessly efficient SAF was I guess
It was in the USA and he and RVN murdered the opposition which I think was either Juventus or Real. He should have never been sold. I think SAF was forced to sell him. With the team set up as Keane and Scholes in the middle, Veron could get into the side regularly. These days, he would waltz into the side. To me he is a better player than Pogba and Bruno.I don’t remember the opponent but my memory swears I was watching a pre season highlight on Sky News & he played a ridiculous through ball for an assist then was sold days later.
Might just be a false memory but I remember thinking he was about to settle as well.
point taken on Andy Goram (which was tongue and cheek inclusion to be fair) and DJx2 who is an unfair and easy target.No one is trying to compare Veron with Andy Goram (a reserve keeper )
Veron had as many good games as Di Maria. When you come with such a massive price tag, there are greater expectations.
out of that list, the only comparable is Di Maria - both in their prime, and world class players.
you can’t compare him to punts like Cryff, Djema x 2 or older players or free transfers. You’ve actually got 3 keepers on the list - and missed out the biggest keeper flop in Tiabi.
+1. Outstanding player. Wrong place at the wrong time. If he played in the PL now he'd be a KDB level star. Unbelievable passing range and ability. Wasnt it Keane who said he was the most skillful player hes played with at Utd?I don't think he was a flop exactly, but it certainly didn't work out.
He was bought as SAF was experimenting with moving away from his tried and tested 442. You'd been knocked out of Europe the previous two years by Madrid and Bayern respectively both playing 433 and passing through Utd's 2 man midfield.
Ferguson switched his formation that year at the beginning of the season to 451 to fit Veron in and at first it worked really well and Veron scored a few as well, but after a shock loss to Bolton you went on a losing run and 442 was eventually reintroduced, Veron struggled in that, there were also rumours of senior players taking him to one side to explain what playing for Man Utd really meant and how he wasn't trying hard enough, believe what you will.
Personally I think he never adapted properly to the premiership, his time at Chelsea was even worse than his time at Utd, the league wasn't technical enough for a player with his skill set in those days.
I do remember SAF saying to the press something like "He's a fecking great player and you're bunch of fecking idiots" and then walking out of the presser though!
Thing is, I don’t do side the to be one of the worst signings we’ve ever made - and there’s quite a few!point taken on Andy Goram (which was tongue and cheek inclusion to be fair) and DJx2 who is an unfair and easy target.
But I would suggest Veron had significantly more "good" games for United than DiMaria and what I am ultimately saying (and prepared to back up) is that whether you consider price or expectation (or both together) Veron does not deserve to be lumped in with this list of losers... he is in a category above them.
DiMaria - Most expensive signing at the time, and after a promising start fell out of favor - FLOP
Sanchez - our highest EVER salaried player - was a top 3 player in the PL for the previous 3 seasons - had one of two bright moments (3-2 comeback vs city) in an otherwise dismal and expensive Utd career - FLOP (and possibly the 2nd biggest flop in club history)
Jim Leighton - record English fee paid for a goalkeeper - actually cost significantly more than Peter Schmeichel - we all know how that turned out - FLOP
You mentioned Tiabi another record money signing for a keeper at the time - after a MOM start vs Liverpool at Anfield, it was all downhill and fast - FLOP
Memphis, Poborsky, Cryuff all top highly touted prospects signed after solid performances in international tournaments the previous summer and all showed us why you should never sign anyone based solely on solid performances in international tournaments the previous summer... even Klebberson arrived with top international credentials (and a world cup winners medal) - all FLOPS
Bastian Schweinsteiger - veteran arriving late in his career, past his best - but signed clearly believing he had something left to offer. Compare what he brought to the table vs other veterans who arrived at the club in their 30s (Sherringham, Zlatan, Cavani) - FLOP
And the Gold Standard of Flops
Gary Birtles - 2nd most expensive British transfer at the time, arrived with 2 European Cup medals and a league title at Forrest, England international (back when that meant something) who should have been entering the prime of his career - 0 league goals in 25 games in his 1st full season - TOTAL & UTTER FLOP
yepSmashing player, very controlled and measured on the ball.
It just so happened that we had the best midfield in the world at the time and tbh he was a signing that imo we didn't need to make. Our play at the time just didn't suit his style.
If he played for us now he'd be head and shoulders the best player in the team.
Be unfair to label him as a flop.
People are probably harsher on Martial because he's been here so long. Can't imagine Fergie would have kept some of the players we've had for as long as we've had them, just giving them chance after chance for years hoping their going to come good.I'm not even Martial's biggest fan anymore but it's crazy how people can wonder if Veron was a flop whilst chucking all the hate for a player like Martial.
It's crazy what a title win can do, it doesnt matter if you were part of it or not, if we win it keeps alot of our hungry fans happy to the point that Veron is questioned about being a flop at all.
Definitely. Good luck to teams facing both Keane AND Vieira . Keane could have easily sat back and done the majority of the build up play and Vieira would have been an immense presence as a box to box. Shame it never happened.We came so close but pity we never got Viera instead, as Viera would have brought us up a level, and would have landed more Champions League titles without doubt.
Indeed. Very expensive, didn't live up to his reputation, sold for half price two years later.He was the very definition of a flop.
He's no longer there. Gone to Roma, doing very well.BTW, how is Miki doing at Arsenal? I never hear about him and whenever we play Arsenal, Miki never plays.
Normally great players from other leagues take time to adjust to the blind side pressure that is unique to the prem cause normally forwards in England work harder than those leagues, ;but eventually do adjust. What surprised me with veron was he never did.Indeed. Very expensive, didn't live up to his reputation, sold for half price two years later.
Sure, he had his moments. Even the biggest flops do.
Birtles was a strange one. He discovered his scoring touch in the next season with 11 goals and continued to score on his second spell with Forest, but his first season with us was horrendous for such an expensive transfer.point taken on Andy Goram (which was tongue and cheek inclusion to be fair) and DJx2 who is an unfair and easy target.
But I would suggest Veron had significantly more "good" games for United than DiMaria and what I am ultimately saying (and prepared to back up) is that whether you consider price or expectation (or both together) Veron does not deserve to be lumped in with this list of losers... he is in a category above them.
DiMaria - Most expensive signing at the time, and after a promising start fell out of favor - FLOP
Sanchez - our highest EVER salaried player - was a top 3 player in the PL for the previous 3 seasons - had one of two bright moments (3-2 comeback vs city) in an otherwise dismal and expensive Utd career - FLOP (and possibly the 2nd biggest flop in club history)
Jim Leighton - record English fee paid for a goalkeeper - actually cost significantly more than Peter Schmeichel - we all know how that turned out - FLOP
You mentioned Tiabi another record money signing for a keeper at the time - after a MOM start vs Liverpool at Anfield, it was all downhill and fast - FLOP
Memphis, Poborsky, Cryuff all top highly touted prospects signed after solid performances in international tournaments the previous summer and all showed us why you should never sign anyone based solely on solid performances in international tournaments the previous summer... even Klebberson arrived with top international credentials (and a world cup winners medal) - all FLOPS
Bastian Schweinsteiger - veteran arriving late in his career, past his best - but signed clearly believing he had something left to offer. Compare what he brought to the table vs other veterans who arrived at the club in their 30s (Sherringham, Zlatan, Cavani) - FLOP
And the Gold Standard of Flops
Gary Birtles - 2nd most expensive British transfer at the time, arrived with 2 European Cup medals and a league title at Forrest, England international (back when that meant something) who should have been entering the prime of his career - 0 league goals in 25 games in his 1st full season - TOTAL & UTTER FLOP