Another amazing episode. Lindelof really knows how to write a love story. He did it in The Leftovers as well, and honestly Lost too.
Television Watchmen (HBO TV series)
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik and Imran hold a long overdue conversation about United's awful league form with 1 win in 7. They discuss a disappointing draw at Bournemouth, a not so disappointing draw against Liverpool and a crushing defeat at Chelsea - Is time nearly over for Erik Ten Hag?
Then in a special second half of the pod, Nik welcomes Natalie ( https://twitter.com/natalie_17) to discuss the fortunes of Manchester United Women as they booked a place in the FA Cup Final after a historic first ever win vs. Chelsea.
It is a mindfeck to think about it. Dr. M always says that he experiences everything at once and time is not linear for him so at least the show seems to take the approach of Dr M being able to know the future but not able to change the same since by the very act of experiencing it at the same instant as any other instant means it has already happened. It is not completely logical since it brings into question his and others' free will. Regarding Vietnam war when asked why he chose to carry out the attach when he knew he would end up regretting it, he simply says that people sometimes do things they know they will regret. Does this mean he had the choice but chose not to alter the future or he knows that he can not change what has already happened in future so he does not bother trying? Same with the fight when Angela asks him to leave, Angela is trying to avoid it but he has a resignation to him suggesting any effort to stop the same will be futile.
Don't think there will ever be a 100% logically consistent answer to this similar to any time travel conundrum but show does a good enough job with the overall story not to be an albatross around its neck.
Probably this is just a one season show, there are rumours there wont be a second season.
I think show has actually answered a lot of mysteries already. I expect finale to be somewhat straight forward. If they follow through with what Dr. M said then he would die despite best efforts by Angela and co, most likely passing on his powers to someone else. Only reason question is what role Ozymandias will play, whether he will be present at the start of the finale or will land at the end to set up the second season. Interesting bit is that some critics think there may not be a second season and this might be one and done thing.
It would be a shame, but I also like a series that just tell their story without worrying about 2nd season arcs etc.
Brilliant show which has just gotten better and better with each passing episode.
I think Ozymandias is already there. Otherwise what was the object crashing to earth near the house from a few episodes ago?
Part of me thinks that one great season would be enough but...I know I'm going to want more and I'm sure HBO would let them.
Why do those HBO series insist on uneven number of episodes? It's so weird to see an episode 7 or an episode 9 as a season's finale!
Hopefully they'll make more though. The production's level is insane.
Hopefully they'll make more though. The production's level is insane.
HBO really hitting it out of the park with their new shows. Both Watchmen and His Dark Materials have been fantastic. Barry has been really good too. And Chernobyl ended just a few months ago.
Although GOT final season was a disappointment, these new shows have more than made up for the poor season
Although GOT final season was a disappointment, these new shows have more than made up for the poor season
Yes, definitely makes sense. My point was more about if he will play a big role in finale or just set up the second season. It is more likely to be the former I think.
Let’s see how we’re feeling after season two. I wasn’t sure The Leftovers needed a third season and it ended up being the best of the bunch.
Yeah. I think he'll play a fairly significant part. Definitely part of whatever Trieu is up to. We didn't get to see all of Manhattan's conversation with Will either and he definitely which was part of whatever outcome he'd envisaged.
It's just whether or not they leave it open for a second season. Very clever how it's all come together over the last few episodes yet I still don't really know what's going to happen
Love this show so much. This week's episode was amazing.
I don't see how they can have a good season 2 after this. It would probably be a big let down
That was such a great fecking episode.
3.5 episodes into this with no previous knowledge. Still fairly perplexed. Wtf am I watching? It's intriguing though so I'll keep going.
Regarding the modest rating discussion on the first couple of pages, I think that's down to most the casual viewers finding the whole thing a bit odd rather than just the white supremacists downvoting it.
Regarding the modest rating discussion on the first couple of pages, I think that's down to most the casual viewers finding the whole thing a bit odd rather than just the white supremacists downvoting it.
Lindelof has maintained all along this would be a self contained season so you won’t see anything teeing up a second season. He done the same with each season of The Leftovers.
Modest? It had a terrible rating.
Just speaking colloquially, there was a definite backlash to it. But I don't want to derail this thread too far...
I'm six episodes in now. Wasn't mad on the earlier episodes but the last two were absolutely exceptional.
Funnily enough it really reminds me of The Leftovers. Starts very slow, a bit inconsistent and then the episodes that focus on individual characters are amazing.
Seems to be getting terrible viewing numbers on HBO, though, and it can't be cheap to make..
Funnily enough it really reminds me of The Leftovers. Starts very slow, a bit inconsistent and then the episodes that focus on individual characters are amazing.
Seems to be getting terrible viewing numbers on HBO, though, and it can't be cheap to make..
Where did you read that? I saw this earlier which seemed quite encouraging - https://collider.com/watchmen-hbo-ratings/
On HBO itself it's dropping really low but I guess if it has high numbers across all platforms they won't care.
Man oh man, episode eight was incredible.
Wow. That finale. I didn’t think they could pull it off.
I never wanted it to end.
I never wanted it to end.
Satisfactory and solid finale. I do think they needed to give some breathing space between Lady Trieu meeting Veidt after the rescue and Veidt wanting to stop her. It makes sense that he did what he did but it felt a bit rushed. Ideally Dr M would have died last episode itself, that would have made more sense given the theme of the episode. Then this episode could have spent more time marinating on Trieu being the main villain and played on varying motivations of Veidt much more than it ended up doing.
Also Looking Glass ended up doing pretty much nothing even as an undercover RW nut and even Laurie was reduced to being a bystander of sorts. Surprised we did not see any interaction between her and Dr M.
Overall definitely a season I will be rewatching again! Would prefer if there was no season 2, think this was a perfect self contained story.
Also Looking Glass ended up doing pretty much nothing even as an undercover RW nut and even Laurie was reduced to being a bystander of sorts. Surprised we did not see any interaction between her and Dr M.
Overall definitely a season I will be rewatching again! Would prefer if there was no season 2, think this was a perfect self contained story.
Looking Glass and Laurie deserved more screen time, but let’s not forget the real victim here: Lube Guy.
I never expected this show to be this good. fecking amazing tbh, I'm highly impressed
The way it's ended, Season 2 would like its own show basically so as long as they take care of the writing and the plot being well detailed and revealed, I'd love it.
So far no season 2 is planned 
Great show.
Enjoyed that. Would definitely rewatch.
Absolutely fantastic. Incredible series.
Okay, I finally forgive Lindelof for Lost and the stupidest parts of Prometheus. Fair play man.
If anyone sees him, be sure to let him know.
My only small, inessential continuity issue with the finale...
If anyone sees him, be sure to let him know.
My only small, inessential continuity issue with the finale...
Those frozen squids were incredibly inconsistent with what they damaged.... they can shoot straight through Lady Trieu’s palm and destroy the Millennium Clock, but they can’t penetrate a building, or a car? Or a phone box with essentially the constitution of a porta-loo? or the small plastic lid of a picnic cooler?
Okay, I’ll go with it, but just know that I know it’s dumb!
Okay, I’ll go with it, but just know that I know it’s dumb!
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Good. Doesn't need one. All tied and wrapped up with a big neat bow. Lovely stuff.So far no season 2 is planned
There will very much be a season 2 I think.
There’s no chance the hints with Nite-Owl are not followed up on.
There’s no chance the hints with Nite-Owl are not followed up on.
Great last episode that tied it all up very nicely, and also set up a second season.
Show of the year for me by some distance.
Show of the year for me by some distance.
My memory's a bit fuzzy on this but didn't we see the gold statue of Ozymandias at Trieu's clock thing in earlier episodes? Suggesting he's been hanging around there for a while.
She’s been waiting to unthaw him; just in time to see her perfect plan.
Amazing stuff. Pretty much perfect tv.
Would take another season but will be happy if they leave it there. I hope, much like this season, they o ly do it if they feel they have a story to tell and don't just churn one out because this has been successful
Would take another season but will be happy if they leave it there. I hope, much like this season, they o ly do it if they feel they have a story to tell and don't just churn one out because this has been successful