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Glad he wasnt at fault today. Just a shame everybody else let him down
Glad he wasnt at fault today. Just a shame everybody else let him down
Their passing was off, but a couple of times he was sent through only for him to be easily caught. He is just too slow these days and he doesn't have any attributes that make up for it. He may get a yard on the defender with a clever move, but even a guy like Shawcross will catch him. And he is too weak to shrug them off as well.Don't be so stupid. As if I weren't supporting United before Rooney.
Anyway, are you disagreeing with me that most of Mata and Mkhi's passing were off tonight?
I can't believe a guy with such poor judgement got a coaching job at one of the biggest clubs in the word. It's incredible.Phil Neville wonders why anyone doubted him
Which is why I said no top club would do that.Whoever the feck builds a team around this Rooney is a damned fool.
But out of interest, what tactics/team do you play to get Rooney back on track?
Said this before but it's only when he leaves people will realise just how badly his game has fallen. He's never a top 10 player.Which is why I said no top club would do that.
I am no manager but perhaps he can be decent playing free role behind a poacher (Like Chicharito) with pacey wingers in a 4-2-3-1 formation. Good right winger would be essential for those trademark Rooney ping balls.
He will still take bunch of games to get going but he can be a very good player for teams aiming to finish in top 10.
As long as you leave with him.If he leaves over the summer, can we leave this thread open?
Where else are we going to go when United play like shit?
Was I suggesting we should do so?Should we offer him a new contract Walters?
Not really a sad ending. He's become our record goalscorer in this season, and if he goes, he'll be leaving at a very unsuccessful period for United. Rooney's a winner!Tweet
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Didn't think he was awful tonight but that's not a great statistic
We're all free to express an opinion here. What is it about my post that upsets you so much?As long as you leave with him.
Nothing.We're all free to express an opinion here. What is it about my post that upsets you so much?
Do you do flow charts?.The caf said that Rooney is the worst player in the squad, not even a championship level player, contributes nothing, can only pass to Valencia, we would play better with 10 men than with him in the team, etc. It is not clear if those are still true if he isn’t club captain, paid much less than 300k/week, and didn’t hold the club to ransom twice.
In any case however, his stats don’t seem to support such view, so how was it that such a shite player can have such decent stats compared to his team mates, could it be because of pure luck due to his lucky goals, fake assists, or weak oppositions? We have our own opinions on that, but here are the numbers, for forwards and midfielders only:
We won 16 of the 23 matches with Rooney in the starting lineup, for a win ratio of 70%, below only Mata. Our win ratio without Rooney starting for us is 50% (19 of 38). Rooney started in 13 league matches and 10 non-league matches, and he didn’t pick the matches he played. If we play better without Rooney in the squad like everybody said, then it’s not reflected in the results of the 61 matches that we have played so far.
Rooney is the second highest contributor of goals and assists for us, with less starts than most of the others. The argument for lucky goals and fake assists may be used against his quality, but not his contribution, at least for the goals, as they are counted all the same. Even if we take out half of his assists, the remaining numbers still do not reflect a useless and worst player in the squad.
Another curious thing is that he started in 5 of our 6 highest scoring matches when we scored 4 goals, which were against Fenerbahce, Feyenord, West Ham, Reading and Wigan. The only exception was against Leicester when we scored 3 goals from corners. It seems that playing with 10 men did not hinder us to play well after all.
He may be finished as a top level footballer, he is surely finished with us as Jose doesn’t trust him anymore, he is beyond any doubt finished as a 300k/week player, but one should know the numbers above while saying that he contributes nothing or calling him the worst player in the squad.
If you can't deny it, just make fun of it.Do you do flow charts?.
have you shown these to Jose?If you can't deny it, just make fun of it.
Not really a sad ending. He's become our record goalscorer in this season, and if he goes, he'll be leaving at a very unsuccessful period for United. Rooney's a winner!
Marouane Fellaini 2017/18If he leaves over the summer, can we leave this thread open?
Where else are we going to go when United play like shit?
I didnt say top 10 player. I meant a team aiming to finish in top 10, teams like Southampton and WBA.Said this before but it's only when he leaves people will realise just how badly his game has fallen. He's nevkoer a top 10 player.
You sure? Not to the Chinese? Why?have you shown these to Jose?
Are there mid-table teams for whom players like the 2017 Rooney are regular starters? For example, would he be in the starting XI for Stoke or West Brom? Even if he sometimes dredges up the odd moment of skill, given his lack of conditioning, I'm not sure most PL teams would want him based on his performances (as opposed to his elevated status in English football).I didnt say top 10 player. I meant a team aiming to finish in top 10, teams like Southampton and WBA.
His game has definitely fallen. I made my point only because peope are saying he is championship level now. He can still be a good mid table PL player.
Anyways it doesn't matter. He shouldnt be with us next season. Thats for sure.
Sarcasm, great, but I don't see your point.Yep, Bayern et all will be preparing wage offers as we speak
People who hold the contract/leaving threats against Rooney never seem to apply the same thoughts to Keane and others.I feel really sad about him. Have been bashing him for a few years but I used to worship this guy. Funny enough, I have never held the contract stand offs against him
I was even on his side in 2010. The summer of 2009 was a joke transfer wise.
I think it's the transfer request, coupled with the fall out with Fergie in 2013 and lets be honest the most important reason so many Utd fans are on his case these days, his incredible decline over the last 3 or 4 years.
Rio pissed a lot of Utd fans off in 2005 with his contract issues but he won most of the fans over with his performances for the next 7 or 8 years. Rooney hasn't done that and that is ultimately the issue I think.
Pretty much. I dont think he should come on if were chasing goals. And he shouldnt come on if were trying to defend a lead. It should only be a "thank you" type sub, and thats if we have a commanding lead which will require us blowing it badly.If we're 2-0 up or 0-2 down on Wednesday with 10 minutes to go I can see him being thrown on, otherwise that was probably his last game. It was pretty sad seeing him go off knowing that's likely it.
Yup. Cant shoot or run anymore.Slowed and break down our attacks many times in the first half, pisses off Pogba once I noticed.
Seems lost in this youthful side.
Still get into scoring positions, but doesn't have the athletic ability anymore to score.
I've seen this argument a lot when it comes to this topic and I always feel compelled to post a retort.People who hold the contract/leaving threats against Rooney never seem to apply the same thoughts to Keane and others.
Keane was a huge story at the time. 50k a week. Who could forget that, it sounded so outrageous. He didn't question the team's strength, but he certainly made it very clear he'd leave unless he got that contract, and you don't know what threats were made internally.
He'd have gone for free too, whereas at least Rooney would have gone for British record money no doubt.
This.If we're 2-0 up or 0-2 down on Wednesday with 10 minutes to go I can see him being thrown on, otherwise that was probably his last game. It was pretty sad seeing him go off knowing that's likely it.
It's a tough argument to say Keane was just getting what he deserved and Rooney wasn't.I've seen this argument a lot when it comes to this topic and I always feel compelled to post a retort.
Keane was always forthcoming. And certain sections of the fans thought we were losing out on some great players because of our wage structure at that time. United were not the best of employers in terms of money at that time. Even Ferguson had to get George Graham to show Martin Edwards his own payslip just to renegotiate a better salary.
Anyway, if that was a send off for Rooney, it was rather fitting that he made way for a 16 year old kid making his debut. Angel Gomes looked tidy, but he didn't look half as good as Wayne Rooney did for Everton on his debut all those years ago.